23 February 2005, 21:24
big_bwanaReloading the 450/400 3.25"
I'm new to this forum and double rifles, but recently acquired a 450/400 3.25" NE (a Rhodda full sidelock, vintage 1908)and want to assemble some loads for it. I've read all of the threads I could find in this forum, plus the Seyfried articles in DGJ, and have slugged the bores, which are clearly .408". I plan to start with 400 gr. Woodleighs and about 66 gr. of Rel 15 and work up to the 1.19 formula or until I get left/right regulation and velocities in the 2100 fps range, or pressure signs. I also want to test the "75% rule" that NE 450 No 2 has written about using the same powder charge, 300 gr. Hawks, and dacron filler, the intent being to create a milder pig load. Am I going about this correctly? Should I use filler in the 400 gr. load (it looks like there will be about a 1/2" gap between powder and base of bullet)? What is the recommended OAL of the cartridge? Thanks.
23 February 2005, 23:13
JudgeGLet us see a picture of your rifle!
I have a .411 bore .450/.400 3 1/4" Westley Richards. My first load was 81 grains of IMR 4831 and Federal 215's (which is published in the A-Square manual). No filler is needed with it and my first four shots were dead on, so I just stopped right there.
The A-Square loads have pressures listed and that could be invaluable in your work ups...
24 February 2005, 07:29
N E 450 No2Judge's load is a good one, and is one of the loads I shoot in my 450/400 3 1/4".
My rifle also shoots good with 71.5 gr of RL-15.
I do not use filler with IMR 4831, but you MUST use it with RL-15.
Since you are already aware of my 75% theory, I will give you another good light load I have found. I use the same 300 gr Hawk m.025jkt bullets, with 46 grains of IMR 4198 [with filler]. This is a Nitro for Black load that should have a velocity of 1700 to 1800 fps. Very mild recoil. I am using foam as a filler. I cut it out with a 50 BMG case.
I seat the Woodleigh's to the cannelure.
24 February 2005, 07:58
AtkinsonI settled on 71.5 grs. of RL-15 and about 5 grs. of dacron in my 450-400-3.25 and it worked like a charm..Leave no space in a double rifle or you could ring your chamber or worse has happened, thus a good tight filler.
There are pros and cons on the use of IMR or H 4831 in double rifles, by some very experienced double rifle experts, some of them claim it is a dangerous practice as the the pressure stays high too far down the barrel and it has apparantly caused some split barrels and hadn injurys...I have used it a lot without any problems what so ever, but I saftied up and went the RL-15 route just in case the knew from whence they came...
25 February 2005, 10:18
big_bwanaThanks for all of the help. I'm assembling some loads using Rel 15, 400 gr. Woodleighs, and filler. Will report back after a session at the range. Will also post a few pictures of the gun if I can ever figure out how to get "permission" to do so on this forum.