Her Ladyship, W. J. Jeffery

07 February 2004, 20:10

Here is a link to a post and pictures I place on NitroExpress.com.

475 #2 Jeffery

07 February 2004, 20:23

N E 450 No2

Very Nice. I hope I will see her in March.

07 February 2004, 20:26

Rusty

You will!

08 February 2004, 01:11

GeorgeS

One of the guys in my former SCI Chapter had one of those. Quite a nice rifle, but four leaves? What are they regulated for?

George

08 February 2004, 01:18

NitroX

Rusty

Very nice. Obviously the "style" was a common style for Jeffrey. That makes three of them in 450 No2 owned by AR members and now a 475 No2 as well.

Do you know the year of manufacture?

08 February 2004, 01:39

LongShotRX

Very nice rifle Rusty, I hope she shoots as good as she looks.

Joe

08 February 2004, 02:41

jeffeosso

Rusty,
tell david that rifle looks unsafe... and I'll give him a mosin nagant for it...

(i hope the hell I am out of range)

Lovely rifle

jeffe

08 February 2004, 03:25

Rusty

The folding leaves a 200, 300, 400. She is a fine shooter. At 11 lbs the felt recoil is not that much more than my 450/400 3 inch.

08 February 2004, 19:18

GeorgeS

400yds.? The bullets must fall out of the sky like Skylab!

George

08 February 2004, 20:55

NitroX

George

Even in those days the marketing gurus played a part.

"See this rifle has sight leaves for 200, 300, 400 yards, it must mean it can be shot to 400 yards!

Wow. That is much better than the 100 yards of my black powder 8 bore. I must get one!"

09 February 2004, 07:24

GeorgeS

NitroX,

I remember reading accounts from the Rhodesian and the RSA-SWAPO bush wars where many of the captured AKs had their sights set to maximum range (and the bayonets extended on the Chinese variant). When questioned, prisoners told them they believed setting the rear sight to maximum range made the gun 'more powerful' and extending the bayonet helped the bullet 'fly straighter'.
While I can understand uneducated people falling for some of this, I would think an English officer (educated, and usually from the upper class) would be more discerning.

George

09 February 2004, 08:13

ScottS

I have long looked at that rifle on Champlin's site, but alas the boss said NO! I am glad to see she has found a good home. Take her to Africa, and let her vent her "nervous frustrations" on the game she was intended for.

Scott

09 February 2004, 12:11

NitroX

Quote:

NitroX,

I remember reading accounts from the Rhodesian and the RSA-SWAPO bush wars where many of the captured AKs had their sights set to maximum range (and the bayonets extended on the Chinese variant). When questioned, prisoners told them they believed setting the rear sight to maximum range made the gun 'more powerful' and extending the bayonet helped the bullet 'fly straighter'.

While I can understand uneducated people falling for some of this, I would think an English officer (educated, and usually from the upper class) would be more discerning.

George

George

I have read accounts from the civil war in Congo where the black soldiers thought pulling the trigger harder made the bullet go faster too (plus closing their eyes when firing).

I think anyone can fall for a marketing ploy at sometime in their lives.

Some recent ones:

- a well known German rifle manufacturer claimed "their" new barrels would last for 50,000 rounds even if the calibre was 6.5x68

- European ammo is routinely tested in special tight chambered 30" barrels and the velocity shown as typical for the ammunition

- the world embraced the magnum belt as essential for high pressure cartridges

- marketers are attempting to say magnum belts are no good, hurt reliable feeding from a magazine and rimless is the only way to go

- the only catridge that is supremely accurate is a short straight walled fast one - throw away .308s, .30-06s, 7x57 and buy the new Short Ultra Magnum without belt ones or just buy a new one

_ I predict someone smart will oneday say - short straight walled cartridges are silly in DGR and long tapered ones are essential

for reliable extraction in the tropics

- lots of other examples and we often fall for them.

I believe Corbett mentioned his new Rigby bolt action in 275 Rigby had express sights for 100, 200, 300 and 400 yards (or something like that) and mentioned it must be a long range cartridge (I will need to check - "The Temple Tiger" I think). He used it for the first time hunting a maneater and had trigger problems and only one magazine of ammo.

09 February 2004, 12:25

Mike375

George and Nitro,

I think there is a possibility that the 100 to 400 yard sights were more than a marketing issue.

If we were to go back to the early 1900s then rifles were all iron sights and also the volume of shooting would have been much higher and as such each animal would have had less importance. Perhaps similar to an Australian's views on shooting roos, pigs and goats as compared to an American's view on deer shooting. Thus a poorly placed shot would not have been the same issue it is today and so doubles would have been used out to all kinds of ranges.

With the low velocities of those calibres hold over at 300 and 400 yards would be very high and that is difficult with iron sights as you block the target out. So the shooter might well have put the 400 yard leaf up and used that for his shooting at perhaps 250 to 400 yards as that would allow him to do the tradition open sighted thing of sitting the aiming point on top of the front sight.

Perhaps an analogy I would use is the shooter who buys a 300 Rem Ultra Sendero and sights in on a beer tin at 100 yards. For him there will be no gain over a standard bolt action in 308. However, for the right shooter the 300 Rem Ultra can and does produce gains over a 308.

Mike

09 February 2004, 12:34

Mickey1

I believe Corbett mentioned his new Rigby bolt action in 275 Rigby had express sights for 100, 200, 300 and 400 yards (or something like that) and mentioned it must be a long range cartridge (I will need to check - "The Temple Tiger" I think). He used it for the first time hunting a maneater and had trigger problems and only one magazine of ammo.

The 275HV, which I believe is what Corbett had has a 140 grain bullet at 3000fps. Certainly a 400 yard rifle. The ones that I find interesting are the Bore Guns. One of my 8 Bores has 400 yard sights. What it doesn't have to go with it is the bipod to shoot it with.

09 February 2004, 12:54

NitroX

Mickey

Of course a .275 Rigby can take 400 yard shots no problem and an experienced open sight shooter should be able to do it if they have good eye sight and a clear enough day. My comment was more on his wording he used based on what the "salesman" told him. As said I will need to go back to the book and extract the actual wording.

I'm going to try out my 400 yards sights on the .450 very soon. See if I can hit a 44 gallon drum.

09 February 2004, 13:06

NitroX

Quote:

One of my 8 Bores has 400 yard sights. What it doesn't have to go with it is the bipod to shoot it with.

It probably saw part-time action being used as a naval shore gun in defence of Mombasa or Lamu during WW1.

09 February 2004, 13:25

NitroX

Quote:

The folding leaves a 200, 300, 400.

Rusty

Sure you haven't got a 500 yard leaf there as well, plus a standing leaf?

09 February 2004, 14:26

Rusty

Yes it does sorry!

Of course that doesn't come close to the caliper 1000 yard sight on my Hollis! Convient for sniping buff! LOL!

10 February 2004, 21:35

Grandpasez

Rusty-When the buffs pop their heads up out of holes like
chucks, are they easier to hit?.HahHah.Nice outfit.Ed.