We have shot both bullets from both bolt action and double rifles. We have found both to be great bullets in end results on game actually fantastic on the terminal performance but slightly better accuracy with the North Fork but the North Forks proved in all cases vastly easier to clean the bore. We have also found the narrower bands on the North Fork makes seating depth with crimps easier to manipulate.

Both bullets are light years ahead of anything out there we have used but we wonder if others have noticed the results we have found in our use and test results.

Kevin Thomas and "Doctari" both noted writers and licensed Zimbabwe Professional Hunters have done extensive tests and written eloquently on the terminal results on North Fork Bullets, Mr. Thomas who is the Editor of the very soon to be launched African Rifle Maazine. Hopefully the will also test the CEB plus test the accuracy and cleaning ease of both.

Has anyone else had similar circumstances?

Respectfully,

GOB

I have used the CEB's in my 375H&H,virtually nothing in the bore. No experience with the Northforks yet.

I would like more info on the African Rifle Magazine if available.

Thanks

Since I discovered Gunslick's Foaming Bore Cleaner, bore fouling including copper fouling is no longer an issue.

465H&H

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Since I discovered Gunslick's Foaming Bore Cleaner, bore fouling including copper fouling is no longer an issue.

465H&H

Good to hear the Gunslick copy of WipeOut is worth trying.

I have had minimal fouling with NF, CEB, GSC, three of my favorites.
Fourth favorite: Barnes. The TSX and TTSX are certainly better than the old full-bearing X-Bullets.

Have never tried the foam cleaner, will definitely give it a go upon returning to the States. Have always used Bore Tech.

Thanks,

GOB

I've shot both the North Fork and CEB bullets. Using Wipeout and Patchout makes cleaning a non issue.

Terminal performance with both is outstanding. The best around IMO.

Accuracy with both, at least in big bores of 500NE is virtually identical. I really see no difference.

However, I do find the CEB easier to seat and crimp. With the NF's more closely spaced ridges, seating to the exact spot where the bullet will take a crimp requires extreme precision. If your brass length is off by just a very small amount, you'll get varying depths and make crimping a real issue. For that reason, I still prefer the CEB bullet.

Kevin Thomas has some North Forks in .458 (softs, flat point solids and cup point solids) and 7mm that he is testing in the field.

465

I didn't find Gunslick a patch on the Wipe Out Foam bore cleaner.

And anyway, with the Wipe Out Patch Out, I haven't
found a need for the foam anymore.


A mate did a test of all 3 bullets,
didn't find any difference in cleaning
the barrels of his guns.

Indeed he does, we shall be doing that together on the BVC as soon as we hit the deck there tomorrow after a short stock up for goodies in Bulawayo. One two members of the group are using CEB in a bolt and a DR.

We have brought lots of North Forks along as well.

I find the narrow bands on the NF makes it much easier to get the exact and proper seating depth for your crimp. It does require each cartridge being trimmed to the correct length. A step which I find extremely important in preparing your ammunition. The CEB 's with their wider bands can make your ammunition difficult to fit into a magazine (box). It is whatever rocks your boat.

There seems to be some great bore cleaners which need to be tried as well.

There is no question that they both are the best bullets out there, it just comes down to which one makes your boat float.

GOB,

I wish you a great hunt and hope to join Kevin there on a hunt in the future. Please give him my very best regards.

I will do, Kevin is the real deal, a war hero, Parks Department great PH, his client took the record leopard for Zimbabwe last year. Two of our clients with Kevin took 45 inch buffalo inch buffalo last week on the BVC. Hopefully there are a few left. Kevin is a true gentleman!

Hi Glenn,

Sounds like you are having a great trip, keep us posted on your progress and the best of luck. When you get back get yourself some Wipe Out foam. I’ve done some pretty extensive testing with many bullets and have nearly all of the bore cleaners on the market and Wipe Out beat them hands down for both cleaning efficiency and ease of use. I found even on the heavy copper foulers like some of the old Barnes (pre TSX) that 2 maybe 3 treatments with Wipe Out cleans to bare metal. Takes a bit of practice to not get the foam all over the place but shoot it in the barrel and leave it sitting level and go have a beer. Patch it out and repeat and you are usually good to go but as usual barrels are individuals.

BTW-talked with Bennie and Esmarie about 2 weeks ago and they are doing well-still not sure if they are coming over to the PA show just yet.
Good luck and be safe,

Paul

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Originally posted by GOB:

I find the narrow bands on the NF makes it much easier to get the exact and proper seating depth for your crimp. It does require each cartridge being trimmed to the correct length. A step which I find extremely important in preparing your ammunition. The CEB 's with their wider bands can make your ammunition difficult to fit into a magazine (box). It is whatever rocks your boat.

Ditto, and the North Fork or GSC can be made to work more accurately in various throat lengths as magazine length permits.

You will have to forgive Todd, as he has a fighter pilot tendency to trim his flaps more carefully than his brass cases.

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Originally posted by RIP:

quote:

Originally posted by GOB:

I find the narrow bands on the NF makes it much easier to get the exact and proper seating depth for your crimp. It does require each cartridge being trimmed to the correct length. A step which I find extremely important in preparing your ammunition. The CEB 's with their wider bands can make your ammunition difficult to fit into a magazine (box). It is whatever rocks your boat.

Ditto, and the North Fork or GSC can be made to work more accurately in various throat lengths as magazine length permits.

You will have to forgive Todd, as he has a fighter pilot tendency to trim his flaps more carefully than his brass cases.

No man!! I'm into that bench-rest accuracy thing with 577's and the like just as much as the next guy!!

I've just about worn out my trickle charger fine tuning the 500NE loads!! Elephant shooting, after all, IS a game of precision!!!

GOB



I am trying to figure out why you are cleaning a big bore rifle to begin with... The Bore???

LOL.... I clean mine when they quit shooting 3 rds in a hole at 50, that is my rule of thumb here.

Come to think of it, I don't remember ever cleaning one?

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Originally posted by michael458:
GOB



I am trying to figure out why you are cleaning a big bore rifle to begin with... The Bore???

LOL.... I clean mine when they quit shooting 3 rds in a hole at 50, that is my rule of thumb here.

Come to think of it, I don't remember ever cleaning one?

Hey Michael,

I'm still trying to figure out how to get a .0001" trim on my Nitro Express brass cases. I just can't seem to hold the hacksaw in one hand and the case in the other and stil get a straight cut!! More power to you boys than can!

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by michael458:
GOB



I am trying to figure out why you are cleaning a big bore rifle to begin with... The Bore???

LOL.... I clean mine when they quit shooting 3 rds in a hole at 50, that is my rule of thumb here.

Come to think of it, I don't remember ever cleaning one?

Hey Michael,

I'm still trying to figure out how to get a .0001" trim on my Nitro Express brass cases. I just can't seem to hold the hacksaw in one hand and the case in the other and stil get a straight cut!! More power to you boys than can!

Yep, I got nothing that trims that tight either....... New North Forks by the way have a nice crimping groove at the top. Or at least my new .500s do. Wider area at the top if you crimp. Fortunately none of the B&Ms need crimping, only the 500 MDM..... I am sure NF should be doing that with the new Nose Profiles and new bullets in other calibers as well.

Speaking of NF... They are in Namibia right now shooting plains game and such with Rat guns.... Will be getting good reports from that when John and crew return....... I was supposed to be with them, but just could not swing it this time of year...

Michael