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480gr is what the 450 #2 was designed for and at
2150 the presure is 13 tons psi at 12* C or close to that temp I think.

the 450 #2 is a low preasure cart....but if it can work yipee

I'm in.

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Originally posted by boom stick:

Oh!!!!!!!!!!! That's just dead sexy !!!!!!!!!

Again, in my best "Fat Bastard" voice, (from the Austin Powers movies.)



JEFFE, Go back and edit the title of this post will ya? I look at it and think of Saran wrap.

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Originally posted by boom stick:

The British used LONG tons, = 2240 lbs

So, 13 tons X 2240 lbs = 29,120 psi.

Hog Killer

so the question is...if there is enough meat in the gun...because the preasure limits are there...right?

Why the hell did they not make it a little beefer and just add on a few hundred. Hell I would pay that for a side by side 458. How much does it cost to beef it up with some more freaking steel say it was retail 899. I am still buying it if it is 458.

I just wish it had a higher pressure so I could put some of the 45-70 garrett Plus loads in it they have a SAMI of 38 or something. I dont want it to be a boom stick.
All bitching aside I am still buying at least one for the hell of it. Mostly to piss off the bigbore bubbas that dont like the 45-70.

I most likely well buy one for a hound bear gun. if I could get a 400gr hard cast to regulate at about 1600 or so I think it would be just about right to chase them in the thick stuff.

I picked up one of the mythical Remington doubles at the NRA convention. (It may have been the only one in existance). It was fun to look at but it is very light. It felt like 7.5 pounds to me. Personaly I think that with warmish 45-70 loads most mortals will have about all the recoil they want. just my humble opine.

at last weekend's bubba/stc hunt, we had the owner of firing a CZ 458 double rifle, converted to 458 lott. it is 8.25#.. entirely managable..

i shoot wicked 45/70 loads in a handrifle... 6#2oz... now THAT stucks.. and yeah, it's ruger loads.


i am thinking a 7.5# 45 somthing double will be super neat... and a # of tungstun is fairly small

jeffe

I might buy one in 45-70 when I see it at a local dealers. It seems interesting. In any case good luck on your project.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
at last weekend's bubba/stc hunt, we had the owner of firing a CZ 458 double rifle, converted to 458 lott. it is 8.25#.. entirely managable..

i shoot wicked 45/70 loads in a handrifle... 6#2oz... now THAT stucks.. and yeah, it's ruger loads.


i am thinking a 7.5# 45 somthing double will be super neat... and a # of tungstun is fairly small

jeffe

I think jeff that we will be talking about duo diameters for the .458 on the "other" forum
as it applys to double rilfes and bullet weights ...

Martin

quote:

Originally posted by levers:
I'm in.

hey Levers, glad to finally see you in the forum...

theres quite a few hunting stories that start out "levers and jeffe where in the hoggie woods...."

jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by MartinPotts:
I think jeff that we will be talking about duo diameters for the .458 on the "other" forum
as it applys to double rilfes and bullet weights ...

Martin

And you already have my 500gr DDB plan.

Hog Killer

quote:

Originally posted by Fjold:

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:

Oh!!!!!!!!!!! That's just dead sexy !!!!!!!!!

Again, in my best "Fat Bastard" voice, (from the Austin Powers movies.)

In the flesh it is even sexier (also said in a 'Fat Bastard' voice. Luckily I am not as fat as he!)

NitroX,

Great picture.

Hog Killer

quote:

Originally posted by Hog Killer:

quote:

Originally posted by MartinPotts:
I think jeff that we will be talking about duo diameters for the .458 on the "other" forum
as it applys to double rilfes and bullet weights ...

Martin

And you already have my 500gr DDB plan.

Hog Killer

Duo Diameter AKA Bore Rider

This is a view .. (poor and still fuzzy sorry) of a .366 to .357 duo diameter



Yet another shot of the bullet in True Duo Diameter



Hog Killer Come to the web site and look under .. Bullet design...

"Duo Diameter Bullet's ... Why ... "


Martin

Put me down for one.

Hope the doubles make it to Oz

I hope they make it to oz as well I want one

Jeff,

Sounds good to me, real good. Put me in for one. A nice light 2 banger is jsut perfect for hogs and dogs.

I like the rules, not gruff at all. Let us know whats happeneing with the Remington people.

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Originally posted by Roger:
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Unless my math is really bad, should make for a easy rechamber to this round. Right!

480 at 2150, in a 7.5 lb gun, interesting.

Thanks,
Roger QSL

Roger, that 7.5 lb double is going to be interesting with decent loads with a 45-70 case!

I'll buy at least one.

Rough count 35 yes, 12 maybe's. Figuring on a roughly 50% drop out rate you're looking at 23-24 rifles. Of course if Remington actually said that they'd do it and you put this on other boards you'd probably get another 50 or so orders.

It looks to me like I'll just sit back and watch.....the guns might make it here in 2006....I'm not betting on it...but I suspect the used price will be much more attractive as I suspect they'll be in used racks big time in the following year.

I'm leaving tomorrow to go to my hunting lease in Texas. I won't be back until 11/28. If anything happens on this between now and then, please count me in.

Add Dangerous Dave to the list for a 45-70

Has anyone ever laid the paws on one? The pics on the Spartan website doesn't show if it has seperated tubes like their O/U's or are they joined like a regular SXS?

I"ll take one also but if the tubes are seperated it'll be UGLY!

Mike,

I handled one in the Remington booth at the NRA Show in Houston this spring. The barrels have top and bottom ribs, with a jackscrew adjustment under the bottom rib to regulate the barrels for what ever load you are using.

Hog Killer

id like one if the price is good any one shot any of the rifles i wag wondering how the accurace is and how well they fit? bet they would be wicked on hogs

But,,,Doesn't (pussy, or was that cat?)one of our most voracious .45-70 proponents have one already? Doesn't he keep it on his boat he uses to guide bear hunters in AK?

NO?

Don't tell me it's not true!!

In all seriousness I also think that little bugger would be a great hog/dog rifle. It'd be a fun rifle in any case.

I think I'll just wait until they are retail available if and when that EVER happens.

I'd be interested as well -- can always use another rifle.........

Hog Killer,
Thanks for that information! You sure can't tell that from the pics on Spartan's website. I'll take 1 maybe 2 for sure.( They'd be a great gift for the wife!)

If any ozzies want to get together and see if we can get a group order ,I will be in.

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Originally posted by Mike Brooks:
Hog Killer,
Thanks for that information! You sure can't tell that from the pics on Spartan's website. I'll take 1 maybe 2 for sure.( They'd be a great gift for the wife!)

Mike, you are an old romantic softy. The only guy to post that he wants HIS & HER double rifles

Hog Killer

Count me in for 1.

I kind of wish they came with 26 inch barrels. I heard a rumor once that they were going to be chrome lined, I hope not. That'll play hell on a reamer. NitroX, you are not helping the problem by posting those photos!!!!!! But don't stop.

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Originally posted by cr500:
If any ozzies want to get together and see if we can get a group order ,I will be in.

I've already thrown my hat in the ring as I definitely want one of these. It isn't in the league of my other doubles but I reckon it would be lot of fun - and I intend to leave it as a .45/70 with no modifications (I already have a .470 and am planning the purchase of a .500 so why would I 'dick' with a perfectly good .45/70?).

So, CR500, how do you envisage we Ozzies would do this? I am already planning to buy a new Winchester 1895 TD and bring it back from a bear hunt I am planning. I am thinking that I might be able to add the Spartan into that plan, providing they available by then.

I'd like one. I don't own a 45-70 any more and this would be a lot of fun to have and play with.

Use and good practice are always good for hunters. Having something cheaper to own and feed will promote both.

Good luck.

Mike

same story, different verse and backbeat...

short version, they are now promised for "first quarter 2006" (i DID ask which year, as they told me "first quarter")

long verion
The spartan product manager left remington. The new product manager hasn't been named yet, but the product team is still trying to work along to scheduled tests.

well, my birthday is in June.. perhaps they'll be in for that.. SOME year

oh, btw, cats is full of STUFF if he says he was the REMINGTON SPARTAN double .. he MIGHT have a baikal double (or 2).. but it doesn't say remington on it, as (with the traveling show exception) every one of these that has come in hahs been tested to high pressure and then subjected to destructive testing of what's left

there is not ONE shooting REMINGTON SPARTAN double RIFLE in the hands of a single distributor, dealer, or person. In fact, there's not one outside of the immediate custody of remington.

cats, if you read this, and decide to bluster up, unless you are willing to post PICTURES I will be believing the remington corporate people rather than you.

yeah yeah , you won't post pictures because.....

jeffe