Re: Recoil of .375 v. .416

28 October 2004, 13:22

<allen day>

I completely agree with 500 grs.

Stock design is the key to shootability with any medium or big bore rifle from .338 Win. Mag. on up, but it gets critical when you're shooting bigger than a .375 H&H.

You want an American Classic style stock with a high, straight, thick comb; a full cheekpiece; a bit of built-in cast-off; and a proper pistol grip that allows you to control the rifle with your shooting hand -- not your support hand.

With a proper stock a .416 Remington is not all that tough to shoot. If you can shoot a .375 H&H well, you can learn to shoot a .416 Remington with little trouble.

AD

29 October 2004, 02:50

ASS_CLOWN

interboat,

Quote:

ASS_CLOWN OWNS AND SHOOTS NO GUNS

Now how do you know that? I'll bet I have VASTLY more big bore shooting and hunting experience than you!

Straight comb, large butt area, relatively soft recoil pad, proper length of pull , open pistol grip = good big bore stock. Cast off doesn't seem to me to be of that much consideration.

Will,

Stop polluting this darned thread it FACT and REALITY!

Everybody knows that a properly stocked 600 NE kicks less than a varmint weight .223 Rem. To argue otherwise simply reveals your LACK of experience/knowledge!!

ASS_CLOWN

29 October 2004, 03:07

justanothernorwegian

Will! ROTFLMAO!!!

28 October 2004, 17:53

WyoJoe

Quote:

...With a proper stock a .416 Remington is not all that tough to shoot. If you can shoot a .375 H&H well, you can learn to shoot a .416 Remington with little trouble.

AD

Thanks Allen. This is good info. Someday (not too soon I hope) I have to give my brother's .375 back to him. I am thinking "Do I want to get a .375 for myself or move up to the .416 Rem"? I think the .375 is a great round and the recoil is very managable. If I can get used to the recoil of a .416 I might go that route.

29 October 2004, 06:24

Atkinson

The 416 does recoil sugnificantly more than the 375, however I think anyone that can shoot a 375 can shoot a 416 with a tad of effort...Neither of which bother me in the least, a 458 Lott bothers me and I have to concentrate to shoot them, and thats not a good thing....so I don't shoot them much...

Stock fit is the real secret to the .416...I like a stock that is set up for iron sights with any big bore, but I do use a scope on them...A proper stock for a big bore can also be too straight as many are today, and that sticks the gun right back into the shoulder, I like to split up that recoil with half going up and the other half coming back, it suits me much better that way..I also don't place a lot of emphasis on those wide butts that supposedly spread the recoil over a larger portion of ones shoulder...I have found the English rifles handle big bore recoil better than any rifles that I have shot, particularly the Holland and Holland bolt guns...My stock patter is from a Holland and Holland with a few changes here and there, it is used by Jim Brockman also..It works for me and you can get a drop in from Jim....

The American classic is a good design up to 300 H&H, but for big bores I like the English guns, they figured it out about 100 years ago...

28 October 2004, 15:47

interboat

ASS_CLOWN OWNS AND SHOOTS NO GUNS.

28 October 2004, 15:55

interboat

500 GRAINS,

I'm interested in your ideas on stock design for heavy-recoiling rifles. Straight vs. considerable drop at heel, comb height, cast-off, etc. Would you mind expanding a little bit?

28 October 2004, 11:41

WyoJoe

500grains,
Thanks for the invite. I used to take my daughter over to university hospital for physical therapy for her burns. If I get through SLC again I'll give a shout. I actuall thought of turning my P-17 (by Winchester) into a .470 Capstick. Don't know what I am going tro do with it now.

28 October 2004, 11:49

WyoJoe

Quote:

... with an animal in your sights, I don't know about you guys but not only do I not really feel recoil, but the noise doesn't seem to bother me either. Sighting in a big bore or developing loads is never all that pleasant after some time.

Whitworth

I agree with you. I shot my elk this year with the 270 Hornady loaded in the .375. I honestly cannot remember the recoil. Same way when I took a deer with it (Barnes 235 gr X bullet).

29 October 2004, 14:01

Michael Robinson

That's not the way I heard it.

I heard that a skinny old codger with a glass shoulder tried to shoot a plastic stocked .458 Lott that was way too light for caliber and it knocked his dentures and nearly, but not quite, all of the snot out of him.

I did hear that the incontinent old bastard was using a Depends for cushioning, though.

Of course, he blamed it all on the baby.