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26 January 2002, 10:52
T.Carr
404 Jeffery
Ladies and Gentlemen,

Check out Champlin's website, they just listed a really nice looking .404 Jeffery (on a BRNO action) for $3,700.

www.champlinarms.com

Now where is my credit card and how close am I to the credit limit?

Regards,

Terry

26 January 2002, 14:31
Will
Terry:

That would make a nice birthday present ... from you to me!!

Will

26 January 2002, 14:37
T.Carr
Will,

Funny that you should mention birthday, as mine is February 13th. Just enough time for your check to clear at Champlins and for my new rifle to arrive here in Dallas.

Regards,

Terry

26 January 2002, 18:05
Mark F. Ward
Check out the third image down. Is that a crease in the stock right behind the bolt handle? Is that OK in a "95%" rifle?

I'm not trying bag Champlin (and I lust after that rifle), I'm just wondering how the scoring works.

Cheers,

mfw

Mark F. Ward
http://www.swervingatom.com/

26 January 2002, 19:09
<Rusty>
From those pictures, that looks like a pretty nice piece of wood!
http://champlinarms.com/gundetail.cfm?id=694

I have to admit that George Caswell is in the business of making money, which he does!
However, you will get the straight of the matter and the true condition of the rifle from him. My dealing with George and JJ Parodeau have been nothing but rewarding.

Did I mention my birthday is Dec 5th?
If you would like below would make a wonderful belated present!
http://champlinarms.com/gundetail.cfm?id=610
Jeffery 475 #2 80 cord rifle throwing 500 grain .488 caliber bullets! And it won't beat you to death!
Now there is an excellant stopping rifle.

Rusty
We band of brothers!

[This message has been edited by Rusty (edited 01-26-2002).]

27 January 2002, 00:43
Will
I have always been absolutely pleased with my dealings with George and JJ. Both good guys.

Will

27 January 2002, 03:46
T.Carr
Rusty,

How about this rifle? Would the fact that it has been rebarrelled make it less desirable? From what little I know about double rifles, it seems that Coggies are toward the lower end of the "big-name" English gunmakers. Would the fact that it has been rebarrelled by Westley Richards increase or decrease the rifle's value?

http://www.champlinarms.com/gundetail.cfm?id=136


Regards,

Terry

27 January 2002, 12:21
Atkinson
The Cogwell & Harrison is a decent enough rifle and this is their high grade gun...It no Holland and Holland but I havn't seen a double in 470 N.E. that sold for $2700 either, at least not in the last 15 years...Thats just on hell of a deal I think..

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
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27 January 2002, 12:26
Atkinson
Please VOID the above, It seems the rifle in question changed during the posts and yours truly thought the $3700 price was a 2700 price and the Cogswell & Harrison 470 at $22,700 is a terribly overpriced gun in my opinnion. I will now go back and look at the 404 Jefferys.

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
atkinsonhunting.com

27 January 2002, 12:51
Atkinson
Did anyone see the Custom stocked 375 H&H pre-64 mod 70 win. number 252 in the gunvault at $2395.00, thats the best deal Champlains got...thats a super rifle.

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
atkinsonhunting.com

27 January 2002, 14:45
T.Carr
Ray,

Here is the link to that .375, a great piece of wood. It sounds from their description that the gun is all original, except for the wood.


http://champlinarms.com/gundetail.cfm?id=639


Regards,

Terry

[This message has been edited by T.Carr (edited 01-27-2002).]

27 January 2002, 14:46
Will
Not that I would ever turn one down if some foolish soul gave me one, but the one thing I don't care for in the old Britsih doubles is the weight. They're generally way too heavy for caliber, and too heavy for such an old, sissy boy such as me.

Will

27 January 2002, 15:30
JohnTheGreek
These are nice rifles all but I just gotta say that maybe I am a cheap bastard but . . . give me $20,000US and I would go out and buy a Win M70 or CZ550, put a few hundred into making it as reliable as possible, and buy myself a week or two of adventure in Zim. Given my budgetary restrictions, I long ago decided that I will be able to own really cool rifles and hunt next to nothing or own average rifles and hunt a whole lot. The choice is pretty easy for me.
That said, if anyone has an H&H 8 Bore Paradox Rifle that they will let go for a song, please feel free to email me!

Regards,

JohnTheGreek

28 January 2002, 01:26
<Rune>
Ok I just browsed that site and I want some of the rifles. Here is my wishlist:

1: Holland & Holland Royal 577 Nitro
2: Francotte sidelock double 500 Nitro
3: Jeffery snap action 600 Nitro

Thats it. If any of you gentlemen out there want to buy me one or more of the above. It's okay:-)

28 January 2002, 03:24
Kent in IA
I have never heard of Francotte. Are they any good? I mean how to they rate against the british and the german makers?

Thanks,
Kent

28 January 2002, 03:52
<Rune>
Kent, I must honestly admit that I have never owned a double rifle of any kind.
Aug. Francotte are supposed to be best quality guns. I guess they rate up there among the British and Germans. Also I guess I never find out first hand:-(
28 January 2002, 04:00
T.Carr
Kent,

Here is a link that has some information about Francotte:


http://www.gunshop.com/fran1.htm


Regards,

Terry

28 January 2002, 06:48
Nitroman
Those are all to-die-for guns but...here is what gets me hot all under: subtle lines, so sophisticated you have to gaze upon it for awhile to let it sink in.

9x57. Obscure. Classic. This so oozes with history, cool factor and panache I can almost smell the dust in the air...

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28 January 2002, 11:07
Atkinson
Roger,
Wooof, you put me in a cold sweat, chillblains, and seizures just looking at that lovely rifle..

As a matter of fact I just put the 2nd coat of finish on an exact copy of that gun that I'm restocking it as the old stock was broken in half..the only change I made was a silvers pad with top insert and an egg shadowline cheek piece...the rifle was a J.P. Sauer 9.3x62 with a 20" barrel, exactly as shown in your photo..I believe this gun was a manlicher originally and I am using the forward stock locking ring for a barrel band swivel...

My latest 404 is another exact copy of your mauser and it was a 10.75x68 and I had John Ricks rechamber it to a 404 Jefferys..otherwise it is all original..It weighs 8.5 lbs. and handles like a Holland and Holland or Boss 410 double.....

Yep, you got taste in MHO......

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
atkinsonhunting.com

28 January 2002, 16:48
Nitroman
Whoa!!! Ray...I sure hope I didn't give you the impression that was mine? I wish! That is on the Champlin Arms site too. $1,950.00

I once had the opportunity to purchase a Mauser, Type A I think. It looked like the the 9x57 but without the magazine reinforcements. $800.00 at a gunshop on Turpin Rd. off of Debarr in Anchorage. He had three. One was 800 and the others were 1,200. All were 8x57 (.318 bore). Still. I wish I had bought that rifle.

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