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Favorite Nitro Express cartridge
30 April 2012, 02:14
Mike BrooksFavorite Nitro Express cartridge
450 3 1/4", 500/450 3 1/4" 577/500 3 1/8" Magnum Express, W/R 500/450 1 1/2" .
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19 May 2012, 22:03
Safarischorschquote:
Originally posted by Pez:
What is your favorite Nitro Express cartridge and what are the reasons it is your favorite? my favorite is probably the .450 Nitro Express 3.25'' because 45 cailbers are one of my alltime favorites and i think the .450 is one of the most useful Nitro Express cartridges.
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The .450 NE 3,25 is simply great.
19 May 2012, 22:54
jens poulsenBlackpowderCartridges that went through the transitionperiod to smokeless is the ones I enjoy.
400 ex 3,25"
450 ex 3,25"
500 ex 3,25"
577 ex 3,25"
It´s all about the quarter inch!!.
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.375 Holland and Holland Belted Rimless Nitro Express
It's probably killed more elephant than all the other nitros combined. It's more accurate. It shoots flatter at longer ranges. And the rifles are easier to carry.
Need I say more?
Indy
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21 May 2012, 21:45
shootawayI like the 450 as a good all around african cartridge.
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Originally posted by Indy:
.375 Holland and Holland Belted Rimless Nitro Express
It's probably killed more elephant than all the other nitros combined. It's more accurate. It shoots flatter at longer ranges. And the rifles are easier to carry.
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I reckon the cartridge that has probably killed more elephant than all the other nitros combined would be the 404J. Especially when you take into account all the culling operations. Never as glamorous as the 375, but....
Need I say more?
What's so great about the .450 3.25"? It fires a 480 grain bullet at around 2100 fps (slower in real barrels, as the factory published velocities with 28" proof barrels).
At least two other .450s did exactly the same thing. In fact, the 500/465, 475, .470 Nitro Express, and others have almost identical ballistics.
The way I see it, most of the double-rifle nitro expresses are essentially identical, and any differences are ones of availability and price of the ammo.
Only on the ends are there any real differences--9.3x74, 450/400, 500 N.E., and that's about it. I've never fired a .577 or carried one far but I've heard it's on the verge of being a stunt like the .600--recoils too much to allow fast second shot.
Indy
Life is short. Hunt hard.
agreed
except 475 no2; about 200 fps faster than the others, ie modern DG caliber velocity
23 May 2012, 09:59
Todd Williams[QUOTE]Originally posted by Indy:
What's so great about the .450 3.25"? It fires a 480 grain bullet at around 2100 fps (slower in real barrels, as the factory published velocities with 28" proof barrels).
Well, that just happens to be the widely accepted ballistics for qualifying as a stopping rifle. Also, shorter barrels are fully capable of producing the standard velocity of 2100fps. It just takes a change to faster powders! At least two other .450s did exactly the same thing. In fact, the 500/465, 475, .470 Nitro Express, and others have almost identical ballistics.
The way I see it, most of the double-rifle nitro expresses are essentially identical, and any differences are ones of availability and price of the ammo.
Only on the ends are there any real differences--9.3x74, 450/400, 500 N.E., and that's about it.
Not sure I would classify the 500NE on the end! I'd say it's in the sweet spot of Nitro Express calibers! I've never fired a .577 or carried one far but I've heard it's on the verge of being a stunt
Call me a stunt man because I'm about a day away from purchasing my first 577! 
like the .600--recoils too much to allow fast second shot.
Yeah, I heard that same statement about the 500. Or actually, anything over .40. I've posted evidence to the contrary in the past on several occasions. It's all about practice. But I agree with you. YOU are probably better off with a scoped 375. Doesn't go for everyone though! [QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Indy:
I've never fired a .577 or carried one far but I've heard it's on the verge of being a stunt like the .600--recoils too much to allow fast second shot.
I shoot a 600 at elephant so fast it's almost like doubling it. Oh wait ... I DID double it... Then I reloaded and shot a proper 1-2 pretty darn quickly. Funny thing is , I never tired of carrying it nor did I realize I had doubled it on my first shot. Must be my massive size absorbs all that recoil more than most.
Todd,
You'll love the 577NE - I do ...
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23 May 2012, 21:45
Todd Williamsquote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Indy:
I've never fired a .577 or carried one far but I've heard it's on the verge of being a stunt like the .600--recoils too much to allow fast second shot.
I shoot a 600 at elephant so fast it's almost like doubling it. Oh wait ... I DID double it... Then I reloaded and shot a proper 1-2 pretty darn quickly. Funny thing is , I never tired of carrying it nor did I realize I had doubled it on my first shot. Must be my massive size absorbs all that recoil more than most.
Todd,
You'll love the 577NE - I do ...
Yeah Doc, If we actually get to do that Ultra Big Bore Double Hunt that Aaron was trying to put together, with everyone else using 577's and 600's, I just couldn't bear the fact that I was going to have to defend the use of my little 500NE!
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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Indy:
I've never fired a .577 or carried one far but I've heard it's on the verge of being a stunt like the .600--recoils too much to allow fast second shot.
I shoot a 600 at elephant so fast it's almost like doubling it. Oh wait ... I DID double it... Then I reloaded and shot a proper 1-2 pretty darn quickly. Funny thing is , I never tired of carrying it nor did I realize I had doubled it on my first shot. Must be my massive size absorbs all that recoil more than most.
Todd,
You'll love the 577NE - I do ...
Yeah Doc, If we actually get to do that Ultra Big Bore Double Hunt that Aaron was trying to put together, with everyone else using 577's and 600's, I just couldn't bear the fact that I was going to have to defend the use of my little 500NE!
Awww - we wouldn't make fun of you ... to your face ...
On second thought, of course we would!
Now if Michael458 showed up with one of his stumpy pea-shooters and missing a barrel at that - then we would simply shake our heads out of pity for him ...
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24 May 2012, 04:39
viperidaeThird vote for the 450#2. Out of curiosity anyone know who might have a reamer. Seems like a nice fit for a Ruger #1.
24 May 2012, 04:43
michael458quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
Now if Michael458 showed up with one of his stumpy pea-shooters and missing a barrel at that - then we would simply shake our heads out of pity for him ...
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Originally posted by michael458:
quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
Now if Michael458 showed up with one of his stumpy pea-shooters and missing a barrel at that - then we would simply shake our heads out of pity for him ...
Don't cry Michael. Since you are barrel challenged, I will loan you one of mine!
465H&H
24 May 2012, 09:16
Todd WilliamsI think we could make allowances for Michael and his little carbines as long as he brings us some of those wonderful BULLETS!
Michael would be an honored guest in any camp of mine - for many reasons.
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quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
Michael would be an honored guest in any camp of mine - for many reasons.
Amen to that.
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24 May 2012, 22:41
michael458quote:
Originally posted by twr:
quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
Michael would be an honored guest in any camp of mine - for many reasons.
Amen to that.
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24 May 2012, 22:45
michael458quote:
Don't cry Michael. Since you are barrel challenged, I will loan you one of mine!
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I think we could make allowances for Michael and his little carbines as long as he brings us some of those wonderful BULLETS! Cool
I have some bullets! I like bullets! Lot's of them! Big ones too!
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Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom"
I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else.
25 May 2012, 04:38
D'Angelico FanFavorite Nitro Express caliber:
1- From the view point of going back in time
and being a pre WW II ivory hunter, 577 NE.
2- From practical standpoint as a sport hunter
today, 450/400 3".
If I was a rich man I'd have Bailey Bradshaw
build me both for Africa's Big 6, (hippo incl).
Best regards,
D'Fan
505 Gibbs
500 x 3" Nitro
and should probably add a couple of smaller one's,
450/400 x 3"
375 Flanged Magnum
Previously 500N with many thousands of posts !