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05 September 2003, 01:25
jeffeosso
404 AR?
Rokay, Guys...

The 404 seems like an awsome round.. BUT there's just too much disagreement on bore...

So,
Let's get a 404, with a .416 bore, load 400s at 2200, and call it the 404AR?

jeffe
05 September 2003, 03:52
D Humbarger
thats a damn fine idea, then there would be an broader selection of bullets to chose from too.!
05 September 2003, 04:48
HunterJim
Jeffe,

Sounds like the .416 Dakota. [Wink]

jim
05 September 2003, 05:12
fla3006
Or the 416 Howell, a shortened standard length round based on the 404Jeff, 416 bullet. This round is capable of 300gn at 2650fps & 400gn at 2450fps. The very similar 404 Dakota would be a good choice for a standard length 423 diameter.

[ 09-05-2003, 00:57: Message edited by: fla3006 ]
05 September 2003, 05:14
Robgunbuilder
While it may be heresy, IMHO the only thing I like about the 404 Jeff is the bore size of .423. This increase in frontal area certainly helps a round which basically duplicates the ballistics of a 450-400 and which will run through a bolt action. If you drop to a .416 bore size, and wanted a compact round that would feed through a Mauser, then I'd just go with a .416 Taylor or .416 Dakota.-Rob
05 September 2003, 06:06
<JOHAN>
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Rokay, Guys...

The 404 seems like an awsome round.. BUT there's just too much disagreement on bore...
You are not the first to think soo, but since most bullets are 423, you have to make sure you barrel matches the most common bullet diameter and then you are ready [Big Grin]

It would be neat to blow out the case and straighten it out a bit, but it's really not needed. How about a 404 Jeffery ack imp? [Eek!] [Razz]

/ JOHAN
05 September 2003, 06:56
Bwana-be
THAT sounds like the 404 Dakota!
05 September 2003, 08:12
fredj338
I like it the way it is. There really isn't that much confusion about bore/bullet size. It's .423 & that is what most bbl. makers use. I've never even seen .418 dia. bullets for sale. Good bullets are available from Woodleigh, Barnes & Northfork. Rumor has it Swift is coming out w/ a 400gr also. I can't wait until mine is finished. [Big Grin]
06 September 2003, 00:16
Bakes
why not the .416 rigby case necked up to .423? or has it been done?

Bakes
06 September 2003, 09:49
HunterJim
Fred,

How is your .404J coming?

Unfortunately the .404 is a wildcat in the USA because some gunsmiths feel free to build them as they want, not to follow standards. Not so in Europe. Even Lothar Walther will ask you if you want a .418" or .423" barrel if you order a ".404 barrel".

jim
08 September 2003, 10:01
<Rusty>
When I ordered my Lothar barrel he just ask ".423, right?" It was delivered on time and at a resonable price!

Rusty
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