What can a 700 NE do?

09 March 2002, 12:49

<500 AHR>

Well I thought I would beat Overkill to the punch. If I shoot a mooze with a 700 NE 1200 gr bullet at 1900 fps will it knock over da mooze? How big will be the hole?

Some buddy who know.

Todd E

No offense Overkill. I figured you would get around to asking sooner as opposed to later.

[This message has been edited by Todd E (edited 03-09-2002).]

09 March 2002, 17:40

500grains

I think a 700 NE shoots a 1000 grain bullet at 2000 fps and penetrates about as deep as a 22 Hornet with a FMJ.

Due to the difficulty of sneaking up within 10 feet of a moose to be sure you hit it with that 22 pound cannon, most likely a 700 NE will just spook him off.

09 March 2002, 18:55

I'm sorry but I just can't pass this up anymore. To answer your question overkill, what can a .700 do? Wipe out your nest egg in a single pass. I'm still puzzled as to why you continue contimplating these puny calibers. Anybody who knows anything will tell you that a .700 is bare bones minimum on those mooses. They is wiley ya know!!! I suggest that you seriously consider the 2 bore. Sam baker can't be wrong. Hell you don't even have to worry about the brain damaging recoil turning you into a vegetable. Your half way there. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned the 2 bore, I can see it now, How much is the 2 bore?
Can I by one now?
If I shoot the mooses whit the 2 bore I heard that I can fit a whole pair of snow shoes in the hole.

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09 March 2002, 20:58

Overkill

How big is the 4-bore in milimeter...?

How big is the 2-bore in milimeter...?

10 March 2002, 03:38

<500 AHR>

500grains,
The 1000 grain @ 2000 fps is the original loading, but I have heard that there is now a 1200 grain @ 1900 fps. This later load was developed to improve penetration. It is also more "powerful" so I thought I would ask by question using it.

JR,
Overkill did not ask this question. I did it for him, sorta by proxy. I think that the rifle Saeed build using a 50 BMG action would provide a cost effective way of shooting this caliber. His rifle weighs 18.5 pounds, very portable, heck I would not mind toting that all day long on a sheep hunt!

Overkill,
The diameter of a true 4 bore is 26 mm.
I am not sure about the 2 bore.

Todd E

10 March 2002, 06:30

<Mats>

quote:
Originally posted by Todd E:
The diameter of a true 4 bore is 26 mm.
I am not sure about the 2 bore.

Well, given a specific weight of lead at 11.30 (metric) I wind up with 33.72 mm for a 2 bore and 26.76 mm for a 4 bore. A 1 bore would be 42.48 mm - still not enough to fit the boots.

-- Mats

10 March 2002, 06:49

<500 AHR>

According to my memory the 4 bore had an official bore diameter if 1.04" that would equate to 26.42 mm. I was guessing the conversion before. That is inline with Mats calculations.

Todd E

11 March 2002, 09:26

Overkill

What velocity does te 2-bore have.....?

10 March 2002, 22:17

<Mats>

quote:
Originally posted by Todd E:
According to my memory the 4 bore had an official bore diameter if 1.04" that would equate to 26.42 mm. I was guessing the conversion before. That is inline with Mats calculations.
Todd E

Todd my friend, I hope you aren't under the impression that I was out to "put you right"... You were right, and patient as ever.

-- Mats

11 March 2002, 03:07

<500 AHR>

Mats,

No. As I said in my second post however the 26 mm diameter for the 4 bore was estimated in the ol' head. The second post was calculated with an electonic brain (much more accurate than my organic one) and I was only posting the more precise diameter of 26.42mm. I was merely trying to reinforce your calculations based off of the specific weight of lead and the fact that a 2 bore fires a projectile that weighs 8 oz ( half a pound ). I believe that there is very good corelation there and the diameter of the 2 bore that you determined should be very close to reality.

That 2 bore is BIG isn't it!

Overkill,
I believe that with Fg blackpowder you will probably be able to get a muzzle velocity somewhere between 1250 and 1450 fps with that 2 bore. This should be just the ticket for those Scandanavian Moose (and anything else in them there woods).

Todd E

11 March 2002, 16:28

Karl

Was thinking of the 2 bore-
The 585 without the muzzlebreak doesn't hurt enough anymore

Actually was firing a 6.5lb double 12 ga with 2 ounce magnum loads at the range, pulling both barrels.
Kicks a fair bit but it is always a double hit, so I don't think it would be as bad as say a true 4 ounce load at once.

Recoil figures for the 2 bore go off the scale.

Karl.

12 March 2002, 00:50

Karl my mate and I are looking forward to seeing if we can cope with the recoil. So would you say you have definitely matered your .585??.

All BS aside how do you think we will find it recoil wise (.585) shooting at game off the shoulder with say full house loads with the 650 grain projectile??. Our rifle will weigh b/w 13-14 pounds, I want to be able to carry it around.

Regards PC

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14 March 2002, 20:19

Socrates

Overkill:
I strongly suggest a 2 bore as a home defense weapon.

Most crooks would faint, just looking at it, and, a second shot is not likely to be neccessary, if you can hit what your are aiming at...
gs

15 March 2002, 03:55

Recono

quote:
Originally posted by Mats:
Well, given a specific weight of lead at 11.30 (metric) I wind up with 33.72 mm for a 2 bore and 26.76 mm for a 4 bore. A 1 bore would be 42.48 mm - still not enough to fit the boots.
-- Mats

Not enough to fit the boots? I think you are not allowing for expansion.

Next: "Hoo many feet seconds neded to expand hole to fit boots?"

15 March 2002, 10:23

tsturm

quote:
Originally posted by JR:
If I shoot the mooses whit the 2 bore I heard that I can fit a whole pair of snow shoes in the hole.

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What size & color r dem snoshooz & do it goo aldaway tru bow too stern or east too west !

15 March 2002, 18:28

RNS

You guys are still into toys. Kenneth Hansberger who used to be a very good pistol competition shooter in his day many years ago here in Arizona built a gun that will probably put a hole in that moose that you can put your boots in. He took a four inch cannon barrel and cut it down to about 5 feet and every 4th of july takes it out to the desert and fires it off at a target on the mountain side now if there were any moose in Arizona which there are not and we could get one to stand where the target is I bet the hole would be very impressive.

15 March 2002, 23:13

Karl

Recono,
Some buddy who has fit boots?

PC,
When I am shooting groups like Mitch does with his 577 I will consider myself to have mastered mine.
So ask me again in another 10 years or so

I don't think you will have any problems with 650 grain bullets in a 13.5lb rifle. Sounds like a good set-up for a practical gun.

Karl.

16 March 2002, 00:52

Karl You will have to get Corperal Trading to make you a set of Kevlar/Carbon Fibre retina's

Good to know that it will be useful, How many pairs of moccasins will I be able to fit in the roo with the 650 grainer.

Karl it all looks as though my dies will arrive in 3 weeks and so will the barrel and reamer in the next couple. Hopefully we will have them done by July when we head North.

Regards PC

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16 March 2002, 12:00

700 nitro

i have a 4 bore and a 2 bore both are custom

i get 1450 fps with the 4 bore with 437 grs of fg powder

1350 with the 2 bore with 550gr of fg powder.

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