I've been thinking about adding a "longer " range cartridge to the stable. I was leaning toward a 300Wm. But the more I read, the more I'm wondering why the 375 can't be used as a 300-350 yrd cartridge.
Locally there are 2 Ruger #1 for sale, one in 375H&H and one in 300WM. All things being equalis there any reason to buy the 300 over the 375? I already have and reload for a 375.

"Longer range" for what? Hunting or target shooting?

The .375H&H w/300gr. bullets has a similar trajectory to the .30-06 w/180gr. bullets.

Instead of buying another .375, just load long ballistically efficient bullets in the one you load for now, and shoot it at the ranges you are considering.

George

Look at loading a 260gr Accubond. I've had great experience with them in other calibers...might be the ticket for extending the range of your 375. I use a Bansner 375 RUM and a custom 378 Wby by Charlie Sisk, so my 375 range has been extended quite nicely, thank you! :-)

I'm using 260 NABs now but I'd like a lighter package overall. That coupled with better optics.

Gojoe, this has been somthing i been looking into my self and have posted about a new elk gun which my max distance will be 350, I had had a mix of reviews from go with the 375 to go with the 338 due to its ability to reach a little more and shoot flatter.

Personlly I am a big fan of the 375 and think its has plenty of punch out to those distances. The 300 is a great gun, but if you already load 375 you have the ability to do everything the 300 does but with more punch.

There was an article in the 2010 september issue of american hunter, titled "Enough Elk Cartriges" by Bryce M Towsley It has a great chart of velocity and energy comparison at 100 to 400 yards.
300wm
100yds
v:2789
ft.lbs:3108

300yds
v:2465
ft.lbs:2429

180gr factory load barnes MRX

375 H&H
100yds
v:2511
ft.lbs:3639

300yds
v:2156
ftlbs:2683

factory federal load 260 gr accubond

For me it depends what you are hunting, Deer size game 300 or 7 rem mag , but if you are looking at elk size game I say bigger is always better, only one degree of dead

The biggest obstacle to using a .375 of any flavor for long range is the lack of bullets with a high BC.

Sure, you can do it, but it would be akin to driving a Hummer in the Indy 500.

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Originally posted by Gojoe:
I'm using 260 NABs now but I'd like a lighter package overall. That coupled with better optics.

What is your current .375 platform?

George

For 300 to 350 yards, and I don't consider that long range by todays standards but it is my standard for shooting at big game.

IMO a 270 or 30-06 is plenty good for game up to and including elk IMO at 300 to 400 yards if you have a rest and a broadside shot and time..

My favorite long range elk rifle is a probably a .338 Win. with 210 gr. Nosler partitions at 3000 FPS or more, but the 250 works well also..Although I used the 30-06 for years as my favorite and had zero complaints, I like the .338 Win better for no particular reason. I also suspect the 200 gr. Nosler in my 300 H&H is as good as the 338, 210 combo for that matter.

The 375 will certainly work at those ranges with 250 to 300 gr. bullets, but its more than really needed unless you've just got the bug! and thats fine, rather be overgunned than undergunned.

Our big bore locals here in Idaho swear by the 250 gr. Sierra for elk, and they come to the coffee shop after season displaying those perfectly expanded 250 Sierras recovered from their elk, and rave about it making and elk rifle out of the .375s.. Pretty hard to argue with success..

Probably more elk taken in Idaho today are at fairly long ranges of 300 or so yards across canyons as they come out on timber line to feed on the edges in the sagebrush, early mornings and late evenings.

I vast majority are shot by locals with the .270, 30-06 and 7 mag. followed by a few 300 Win. and 338s. I't seems the 338 Win. makes a little more headway ever year, at least in Idaho. Its becomming quite the perfect elk rifle, and sales of rifles and ammo seem to substantiate this or so I'm told by the peoplel in the know.

Some of todays shooters harvest elk at sniper distences of up to and beyond a 1000 yards. I see these wonderful shots on TV and I always wonder how many legs they shoot off at those ranges where so many varibles are involved.

CZ 550 out of the box with Leupold fixed 6x. Heavy, tough and very functional. I plan to use it for Moose hunting this fall.

My H&H is handloaded with 270 grain Failsafes and is sighted for 300 yards.

+4.75" @ 100 yards, +5.5" @ 200, -13" @ 400, -36" @ 500.

Scope is a Leupold MRT 1.5x5 illuminated. Accurate and effective to 500 yards and slightly beyond, on an elk size target. Only because I do not practice regularly beyond 500 yards.

In an accurate rifle with a good bullet it will reach out with authority.

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Originally posted by Gojoe:
CZ 550 out of the box with Leupold fixed 6x. Heavy, tough and very functional. I plan to use it for Moose hunting this fall.

At a minimum, put a Leupold 2.5x-8x on it. Contact CZ-USA to see whether they have a Kevlar stock available for you to buy.

George

I think you are over scoped. Esp for moose. A 6X is fine for hunting out of a blind in Texas but when an elk or moose breaks the timber at 25 yards, all you will see is hair from a 6X. Wy has the right set up or as George said a 2.5-8 is great for a 375 and probably the high end. I have a 1.5-5 Leupold and a 1.5-6 Kahles on Talley QD rings. I have shot deer at a lazered 385 yards and wildebeest at over 300 with these scopes (as well as buffalo at 25) and they were all I needed.
The best long range bullets for the 375 are 270gr. Good velocity and good BC make a deadly combo out to 350 yards+.

get Real the BC on the 260grn Nosler Accubonds is .473 which is darn good if you ask me. I think the real question is how many people actually put the range time in at 300-500 yards to really get to know their rifles well enough to make the shot. Also I quote my hunting partner "...I like to hunt Elk not snipe them..." I'm sure with a Barrett 416 on a bipod with a laser range finding scope and a BORS you could effectively kill an Elk at 1500m no problem. I love my 375 H&H just because it is just plain useful and fun to shoot. If you need the range go with a 338 Lapua and don't look back if you want the Nostalgia go with a 375 H&H or better yet a 300 H&H.

Cheers

Brad

I have an AHR 375 H&H, 270 gr. TSX, 2850 FPS, i have a 4-12 Swaro with TDS, used in Selous last year and shot everything up to Buff out to about 285 yards with no problem. I shoot it of stick at 350 yd gong at our range with no problem. I pretty much will always use a 270 gr. in the 375 for now on.

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:

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Originally posted by Gojoe:
CZ 550 out of the box with Leupold fixed 6x. Heavy, tough and very functional. I plan to use it for Moose hunting this fall.

At a minimum, put a Leupold 2.5x-8x on it. Contact CZ-USA to see whether they have a Kevlar stock available for you to buy.

George

Kevlar stock, that might be the ticket.

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Originally posted by Blacktailer:
I think you are over scoped. Esp for moose. A 6X is fine for hunting out of a blind in Texas but when an elk or moose breaks the timber at 25 yards, all you will see is hair from a 6X. Wy has the right set up or as George said a 2.5-8 is great for a 375 and probably the high end. I have a 1.5-5 Leupold and a 1.5-6 Kahles on Talley QD rings. I have shot deer at a lazered 385 yards and wildebeest at over 300 with these scopes (as well as buffalo at 25) and they were all I needed.
The best long range bullets for the 375 are 270gr. Good velocity and good BC make a deadly combo out to 350 yards+.

It'll do for this year.

OK lets do a little analizing.

Think about 3 different cartridges for long range game shooting, the 300 Win Mag, the 338 Win mag and the 375 H&H.

Also what do you consider long range?

With a fair amount of shooting and training, 300 yards is doable. When you talk about 400 and 500 yards then triple the shooting and training.

For ANY game in North America over 200 yards it is hard to beat the 300 Win Mag with 180 gr bullets.

The 338 Win Mag, or more better, the 340 WBY Mag is a good choice.

The 375 H&H, with the right bullet can be stretched out as well. When shooting game at long range is a possibility it is important to pick a bullet that works up close and far away.
It is the bullet that does ALL THE WORK.

Recoil becomes a BIG factor in long range shooting as the more a gun kicks the harder it is to shoot small groups with it, up close or far away. You have to hold the gun the same way for EVERY SHOT.
You must be able to practice with it for several hundred shots, before your first hunt.

I am lucky in that I have a 500 yard range 10 miles from my house. SO, my rifles from 223 to 375 H&H can hit spot on to 500 yards.
I can even hit to 500 yards with my Drillings...

Now that does not mean I would shoot a game animal that far away...

I have the skill to do it, most days, but the sense not to try it...

Unless I am shooting from a very steady position, in little or no wind, with a rifle I have shot a BUNCH at long range, and it is the only shot I will get...

Still if the shot is 6 yards or 600 yards, If I am not 100% sure I can make it, I do not shoot...

Gojoe

I may have strayed from your original question.

So IF I had a 375 H&H and wanted to hunt with it at long range, for elk and bigger game,I would take a look at 260 and 270 gr bullets.

I would work up an accuarate load, and then do a bunch of shooting from 100 yards to the longest distance I thought I might have to shoot.
I would want a quality variable scope with aminimum of 3x on the low end, for up close stuff. I would pick a scope with either a Ballistic Cam or a Ballistic Reticle.
I would have a good range finder, my favorite is to have a pair of Leica Geovids, 8x40 with the built in range finder...

Then just practice...

Just an " FYI " !

https://cuttingedgebullets.com...d=action&key=MTH_L04
.375 CAL. 320 GR. LD HPBT-STD BC of .830

PAPI

Just got back from Africa where I used the new .375 250 gr. Barnes TTSX (BC=.424). It worked great on all plains game including Zebra, Kudu, and Impala - devastating iwth all high heart/lung pass-thrus with dead animals within 30 seconds. Very accurate in my gun. Also, killed a baboon at 350 yds. With std .375 H&H and 24" barrel, 2900 fps+ should be easily obtained. Reasonably priced. AIU

I shot a zebra in 2008 at 302 yards using the 300 grain TSX. It worked fine.

My favorite long range rifle is also my favorite Elk rifle. 340 WBY Mag. 225 TSX at 3000fps.

Only issue is that it takes quite a bit of practice time on the range to stay tolerant to the recoil.

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Originally posted by Ackley Improved User:
Just got back from Africa where I used the new .375 250 gr. Barnes TTSX (BC=.424). It worked great on all plains game including Zebra, Kudu, and Impala - devastating iwth all high heart/lung pass-thrus with dead animals within 30 seconds. Very accurate in my gun. Also, killed a baboon at 350 yds. With std .375 H&H and 24" barrel, 2900 fps+ should be easily obtained. Reasonably priced. AIU

What do you think you would lose in velocity, for a 21in barrel vs 24.
Thanks Matt

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Originally posted by Gojoe:
Locally there are 2 Ruger #1 for sale, one in 375H&H and one in 300WM. All things being equalis there any reason to buy the 300 over the 375?

I am a big fan of light weight 375 H&H rifles. For that reason I don't like the No.1 in 375, it is just too heavy.

On top of that the No.1 is terrible in the recoil department.

I like the No.1, but not in 375.

Anyone using the 300 gr Sierra bullet on game? Seems like it would make a good long range bullet for Elk or Moose. I have never tried it so thought I would ask. I believe that I read where Craig Boddington like this bullet for some of his shooting.

Aaron

Matt, loss would be ~25 fps per inch. Regards, AIU

gojoe
Where in Maine do you even find long shots? I'm guessing along pulp roads or clear cuts? I grew up down in Penobscot Co. and in my woods, 50 yards was a long shot and at those ranges, even a 30-30 was more than enough gun. I'd really like to drop a moose with my 375, close or long range.

I'll be up there again in October hunting a bull and a cow moose and some of the clear cuts stretch out to 300 and many are on hillsides though there are some pretty long stretches of road, too.

Not sure how at that distance much would necessarily be gained using less than a 300 grain bullet like a NP or the TSX.

Perhaps someone with a ballistics calculator program would input some date and report back to us?

Why don't we for fun compare the Noseler 260 AB and the 300 NP assuming a 24" barrel and factory velocities with a 100 and 200 yard zero.

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Originally posted by jsl3170:
I'll be up there again in October hunting a bull and a cow moose and some of the clear cuts stretch out to 300 and many are on hillsides though there are some pretty long stretches of road, too.

Not sure how at that distance much would necessarily be gained using less than a 300 grain bullet like a NP or the TSX.

Perhaps someone with a ballistics calculator program would input some date and report back to us?

Why don't we for fun compare the Noseler 260 AB and the 300 NP assuming a 24" barrel and factory velocities with a 100 and 200 yard zero.

I've shot both at 100, 150 the differance is not enough to matter. There isn't much differance at 300 according to the Speer ballistic chart. I haven't had a chance to shoot them at 300+ myself.
I may start to rethink my next purchase based to this thread. There has been food for thought.

My hunting partner on my last safari used the 375 with 300gr Swifts (not necessarily known for a high BC) from buffalo at 25 yards to kudu at a measured 352. I've since become a TSX convert and now use the 270 TSX. Is that the kind of ranges you are looking at?

jorge,

isn't the tsx finicky as to which rifles will shoot it well?

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:

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Originally posted by Gojoe:
I'm using 260 NABs now but I'd like a lighter package overall. That coupled with better optics.

What is your current .375 platform?

George

What's a "platform"?

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Originally posted by jsl3170:
jorge,

isn't the tsx finicky as to which rifles will shoot it well?

Quite the opposite. The TSXs and TTSXs have been the most consistently accurate bullets I've ever used across a broad range of calibers from the 416 Rigby down to the 257 Weatherby. I've become a convert!

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Originally posted by jorge:

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Originally posted by jsl3170:
jorge,

isn't the tsx finicky as to which rifles will shoot it well?

Quite the opposite. The TSXs and TTSXs have been the most consistently accurate bullets I've ever used across a broad range of calibers from the 416 Rigby down to the 257 Weatherby. I've become a convert!

I 2nd that!!
I've never been able to find a more accurate hunting bullet in any caliber I've shot

perhaps I'll have to get some 270 gr TSXs for the Maine moose hunt.

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Originally posted by MtWoodson:
gojoe
Where in Maine do you even find long shots? I'm guessing along pulp roads or clear cuts? I grew up down in Penobscot Co. and in my woods, 50 yards was a long shot and at those ranges, even a 30-30 was more than enough gun. I'd really like to drop a moose with my 375, close or long range.

You said it, choppin's or tote roads. I'm really looking to put down a trophy bull.

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Originally posted by gohip2000:

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Originally posted by jorge:

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Originally posted by jsl3170:
jorge,

isn't the tsx finicky as to which rifles will shoot it well?

Quite the opposite. The TSXs and TTSXs have been the most consistently accurate bullets I've ever used across a broad range of calibers from the 416 Rigby down to the 257 Weatherby. I've become a convert!

I 2nd that!!
I've never been able to find a more accurate hunting bullet in any caliber I've shot

X3 Never found a rifle in any caliber that doesn't shoot it well.

I used to run a interesting test. I put up a 12 inch diameter paper plate uphill at 335 measured yards. I then challenged all my " long Range shooting expert buddies to hit that plate with one shot with whatever rifle they brought. You know what only one guy ever hit that plate first shot. He had a Accuracy international .308 sniper rifle with a Shepard scope on it. He knew how to read the wind as he was a dedicated competative Palma shooter. Everybody else screwed the pooch! My basic position is whatever range you can consistently hit a 12 inch paper plate at is your max range. Be honest and don't shoot at game further than your abilities allow. You can always get closer. BTW, I've got thousands of hours of time in 1000yrd competition with some really good scores. I would not even try a shot at any game animal over 500 yrds under the best of conditions with the very best of guns. Personally I dont enjoy killing things at long range other than ground squirrels or yotes. To each his own though, its an individual decision. For one shot, there is no reason a .375 H&H can't reach out that far.-Rob

I think a whole lot of "iffing" needs to be considered for the most part.

I don't see any reason NOT to shoot 300-500 yds with a 375 anything loaded with a high, roughly .5 BC bullet...

IF the rifle is sighted in correctly...
IF the shooter can hold well enough...
IF the range is actually known and not guessed...
IF the shooter can dope the conditions...
IF the rifle is actually a 1 MOA or less shooter with the secific bullet...
IF the shooter has done his homework and spent quite a bit of time in the field pranging sage ratz, rocks, beer cans, pine cones or maybe the neighbors noisy rooster...which normally doesn't happen.

I spend a lot of time shooting these things with my varminters which in some cases have just about identical ballistics and even with lazer help it is tough to hit a small object out that far when there is even a small amount of wind or boil much less snow, rain, sleet etc.

A nice fat rockchuck offers about the same target size at 500 yds as what you need to hit on an elk to gather him in...if you can consistently hit sage ratz at 300 yds then you can do the same with deer/elk/antlope or whatever.

The problem is most 375 cannons can only get 2600-3000fs actually, with most of the .500 BC bullets...even the 378 WBY is grunting to get there unless you are pushing it...ROUGHLY SPEAKING...I know there are lots of super shooters out there with mega-speed 375's.

At 2600 fs, pretty much good for a 375 H&H or Ruger with a 270-300 gr bullet, sighted in at 250 yds has ~5" drop at 300 yds, ~21" at 400 and almost 47" at 500 yds.

AT 3000fs sighted in at 250 yds the drop figures are about 1/3 less...

HOW many, without the aid of a lazer rangefinded, can determine a 25 yd difference between 475 and 500?? If you can't you will miss by a good 5-10" depending on the actual original MV.

With practice, ANYONE, with a "real" <1 MOA rifle and a range finder can do the job...I just hate having to haul all that dead meat back to the truck when I can call one in and just cut it's throat while it's looking for something to fight...

Luck

If I wanted to get the most range possible out of a .375 H&H the first thing I would do is to have it rechambered to 375 Weatherby.