Vintage DWM Mauser 10,75x68 ammo?

12 November 2007, 16:25

Gentlemen

Could anyone help me with a circa date on this batch of ammo made by DWM.
Boxes are stamped 145 157, does this batch code tell the year of production?

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

12 November 2007, 17:00

packrattusnongratus

I hate to reply not knowing anything about this caliber but thanks for the information. I am always willing to learn about the Euro medium and large calibers. The pictures are top quality too. Do you own the rifle in this caliber? They seem uncommon here in the States. Thanks again. Packy

12 November 2007, 19:58

Whitworth

Cool score, Andre!! I believe this is a caliber that Pondoro Taylor didn't like because of the day's bullet selection. Do you have the rifle to go with the vintage ammo?

13 November 2007, 02:22

JefferyDenmark

quote:
Do you own the rifle in this caliber?

quote:
Do you have the rifle to go with the vintage ammo?

Yes I do.
I have a Mauser from 1908

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

13 November 2007, 04:00

RIP

Hopefully Alf will check his records and give you the date the ammo was made.

Berdan primed?
Could those primers be corrosive?

Where is an expert when you need him?

13 November 2007, 05:33

ALF

13 November 2007, 05:47

Guillermo Amestoy

quote:
Originally posted by ALF:
The clue to DWM aging is to be found on the hs pattern.

The hs pattern on this ammo shows the DWM logo with the EE date stamp in large letters at the 11 o'clock and 1 O'clock position as well as the caliber designation. It omits the DWM case number which for the 10,75 x 68 would be 515A

The last usage of case numbers on DWM cases was 1939 and these were coded HH the first time numbers with calibers were used in 1927 coded TT

This configuration ie EE is sadly undated or not confirmed as to a specicific date. It is most likely pre WW 2 and post WW1 ???????

Wait a minute , I just saw it now, the boxes are IWK marked which means the ammo must have been made post 1949 because DWM name changed to DWM and because the DWM logo appears with the IWK logo on the same box the ammo was made post 1956

Thus this ammo was made somewhere between 1956 and 1972 !

This would also fit with the hs EE date stamp that was used on proprietary stamped cases as for Brennecke post WW2

Woww!!! this gentleman is a Expert!!!

13 November 2007, 06:49

ALF

13 November 2007, 08:28

TMG

How about some nice scans of the book of Mauser factory cartridges that your rounds are lying on? That looks like a sweet book!

Also congrats on the nice find. I have a stash of brass but alas no rifle (yet).

TG

13 November 2007, 12:32

JefferyDenmark

Alf

Thanks, you truly are a scholar.
Your knowledge is am amazing.
I am happy that this ammo is not to old, I plan to use some of it, and reload on the cases.
I was lucky to find 190 rounds from the same batch.

I have another riddle for you

.

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

13 November 2007, 12:35

JefferyDenmark

quote:
Originally posted by TMG:
How about some nice scans of the book of Mauser factory cartridges that your rounds are lying on? That looks like a sweet book!

Also congrats on the nice find. I have a stash of brass but alas no rifle (yet).

TG

I do not have a scaner, maybe some digital pictures.
What do you want?
The catalog is from 1964 and has 53 pages.
It showes all the rifles, ammo, balistics parts etc.

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

13 November 2007, 12:38

JefferyDenmark

quote:
Originally posted by Guillermo Amestoy:
Andre; Surely that code number has the secret that you are looking for and maybe only the manufacturer and/or the distribuitor can help you , a few weeks ago I found a German compaÃ±y offering DWM ammo, I will try to find any info about it . Regards. Guillermo (Maybe Juan said something about me when you hunted in Argentina(I made his 458 D.G.R.), I know everthing about you , he talked us too much about you, maybe He is in love , You have very nice rifles and usefull knives Regards Guillermo.

Guillermo

Juan and I think alike min many ways, we are "Hermanos in Armas"
We both like "the way of the knife".
It is a very nice rifle you made for him, good for those argentine buffalos.

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

13 November 2007, 13:23

Bent Fossdal

NICE!!!!!

What a find! Early X-mas in Denmark this year?

How much did you have to pay?

13 November 2007, 13:41

JefferyDenmark

Bent

They where cheap.

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

13 November 2007, 15:48

TMG

Andre,

I would love to see what rounds they offered. I am running out of things to dream about building on my remaining Mauser actions. Wonderful though they are, you only need so many 7x57, 8x57, and 9.3x62 rifles.

Congrats again on the ammo find - deals like that make it worth buying a rifle to fire it, sometimes.

Thank you,
TG

13 November 2007, 17:11

JefferyDenmark

Here are sone pictures.

Enjoy

PS You need the Jon Speed "Original Oberndorf sporting rifles" Mauser book bad!!!!
In there you will find almost everything, the rest Alf knows

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

13 November 2007, 20:11

Atkinson

The 10.75x68 is an interesting caliber. I recently sold mine. It was made up on a FN action and I got some pretty amazing results from it..A 350 gr. Barnes X at 2350 FPS, mild load and a 400 gr. Woodleigh got me an easy 2130 FPS. The rifle weighed 9 lbs loaded and ready to go..

A nice light rifle that you could pack around all day and with the exact same balistics that made the .404 Jefferys famous. I can't think of a nicer buffalo rifle if you don't mind the problems that go with what I consider almost a wildcat..dies are expensive, cases are hard to come by but available, and in most cases require a little fireforming before the work just right..

All in all a heck of a nice, overlooked caliber, and recoil is nil, about like a .375 as far as I could tell.

03 December 2007, 16:24

JefferyDenmark

Gentlemen

Here is the rifle that goes with the ammo, I got it last week

Mauser African model with 28" barrel and the looooong African stock.
This beauty is made in 1909 and has all matching numbers. Some modifications where made

Pechmeyer pad and maybe an extra cross bolt.
Einhack was also installed but thats is OK

I now have on very short model M and a long model L

Ahhhhhhhhhhh it is good to be KING

I will mpost some better pictures when the light is better

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

03 December 2007, 16:52

Whitworth

Very nice, Andre! That Pachmyr pad completely ruins the value -- so send it to me......

Iknow it's shameless, but I had to try.....

03 December 2007, 17:13

JefferyDenmark

Paperwork is a pain

I'll keep it and have a red pad installed, maybe a Mauser horn or metal butt plate if I can find one.

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

03 December 2007, 19:42

Charles_Helm

Congratulations on another fine rifle!

04 December 2007, 09:56

Big Bore Fan

Hey AndrÃ©,

youÂ´re a very, very lucky man. Congratulation to your rifle. DonÂ´t worry about the extra cross bolt, the rifle need it. I saw same nice rifles in the last years, without any cross bolt and after a few years the stock is broken. I builded a M98 in 10,75 Mauser in 1998. I installed also two dross bolts. The ammunition is very interesting. I never saw this DWM boxes made after the WW2. I saw same pre WW2, but alway unpayable. I got the last ammunition, produced by RWS in the nintieth. It was a charge of 340 rounds full metal jacked and I paid ~500.- DM. Last time I got a old Kynoch 10 rounds box and I paid 40.- â‚¬.
Wish you a lot of fun with it, itÂ´s a great round. In the last 8 yearÂ´s , I reloaded and fired over 700 rounds.

Martin

04 December 2007, 10:26

N E 450 No2

Ray

Just because you "claim" to have sold your 10,75x68, do not think the Royalty Payments you owe me are not still due...

In fact If I remember correctly you have built 2 different 10,75x68 rifles since I came up with the idea that it would be an ideal North American/African big bore.

I have alerted the authorties, and at this years DSC you will be held accountable.

Even if it is your birthday.

04 December 2007, 12:20

JefferyDenmark

Martin

Morgen MÃ¼nchen
Thanks for the kind words.
I look forward to shooting some of those rounds.
What bullets and loads are you shooting?

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

04 December 2007, 12:35

Big Bore Fan

AndrÃ©,

I always loaded the Woodleigh 347grs SNRN bullet with a charge of 66grs Rottweil R902. I tested same 300grs Degol SNRN, but with poor accuracy. Last year, I changed to the Degol 350grs protected point with 63grs R902. Accuracy is good and the bullets are easier to get as the Woodleigh bullets.
I havenÂ´t any experience at hunting with this round. I havenÂ´t any german hunting permit, IÂ´m only a shooter, collector and gunsmith.

Martin

04 December 2007, 12:50

JefferyDenmark

Martin

Thanks

I also use the Degol bullets for my 8x57J (.318") They make a classic 220 grn bullet.
I might make up some solids for the rifle, to compensate for the calibers history of poor penetration.
The Cup Point Solid might be the ideal bullets for that 10,75x68.

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

04 December 2007, 16:55

TSJ

I used the woodleigh 347's on a moose this year with my 10.75x68. Performance was perfect. I built my 10.75 on a comercial FN, keeping the original stock with it's hard plastic butplate and all. Weight, about 8# loaded, recoil is stiff but easyly managed.

04 December 2007, 17:44

Eterry

That is a beautiful pair of rifles you have there, and the 10.75 is an interesting big bore. Wish I was that lucky/fortunate. Good luck and good shooting,
Eterry

05 December 2007, 12:32

JefferyDenmark

Eterry
Thanks
The 10,75x68 is a "BIG" bore with spirit and especially when the package is a Mauser African model.
Keep looking I am sure that bthere is one out there for you.

Cheers,

AndrÃ©

05 December 2007, 18:19

sierra2

Howdy,
This thread is great, and sooo frustrating. I had a Mannlicher-Schoenauer in 10.75x68mm back in the 1970s and disposed of it because I could not find ammuntion. Wish I could have found that cache of DWM-IWK ammo then! As it is I still snap up boxes of RWS 10.75x68mm wherever I spot them, someday I'll even have the rifle. In an FYI, I do not know which is more rare, an original Mauser sporter or a High Velocity Mannlicher-Schoenauer in this caliber. I only know of three M-S, although Max Chittick used to claim there was no such thing as a 10.75mm Mannlicher-Sch. (My .404 Jeffery is getting lonely.) Keep it rolling guys!!!
LLS

05 December 2007, 22:18

JefferyDenmark

Sierra2 bravo

That sure sounds like a sweet rifle.
I am no expert on Mannlicher-Schoenauer rifles maybe someone will elaborate on the rarety on this make and model.
I will however take a Mauser action any day over a Mannlicher-Schoenauer action.

The Mauser African model is rare and finding one can be quite hard, I know

. The .404 is the rarest I think. Or maybe one of the kurtz action ones.
If you find a African model BUY IT and sell it to me

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