A sighting in tip for open sight rifles.

05 February 2013, 05:13

michael458

quote:
Originally posted by jwm:

Is there some way to integrate all the above emoticons into one single keystroke...it could be called the "shootaway special"!

JWM

HE is in Canada......... Don't you guys want to maybe deport him to somewhere further North Perhaps....
Somewhere that they don't have internet service perhaps?

Don't even think about sending him South.....................

Well, he is yours for now!!!!!

LOL...........

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05 February 2013, 05:30

Muttly

I must have missed the real world testing by a long shot. Still don,t see a change in trajectory of a projectile being caused by sighting equipment. Which, in the real world, I suppose most people would compensate for by paying attention to point of impact at what ever yardage they anticipate using, and sighting in accordingly.

The only thing that springs to mind so far as regards a one inch difference at 50 yards putting you a foot low at one hundred would be to slide the rear sight an inch in to the rear down the sight ramp. And yes, I am fishin on that one.. I,ve always been prone to small adjustments of the sights to allow a little more room to filter out operater error.

05 February 2013, 05:30

LionHunter

I see the idiot from the north is acting out again. Must be off his meds or over indulging in adult beverages - no, wait, it's just who he is.

I refuse to put the idiot from the north on my ignore list.

BTW, I have fired possibles at 200 meters offhand and qualified expert out to 500 meters with standard issue semi-automatic military 7.62mm (.308) M14 rifles shooting standard issue ball ammunition using iron sights. Yet I have never heard anything remotely close to what the idiot from the north postulates.

05 February 2013, 05:36

nilgi

This is better than anything on TV.

05 February 2013, 06:29

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by McKay:
I swear George must be up there laughing at us with all shit he comes up with to screw with us. And now if I understand his other thread correctly he is getting a double rifle. Can you imagine what he is going to come up with now that he is going to have two barrels? Good Hell it's going to be hilarious.....

I think you got it right lol.

05 February 2013, 06:45

Crazyhorseconsulting

quote:
0604 February 2013 23:06Hide PostIt is impossible to sight in a open sight rifle at 25yds so it hits were its trajectory alone will make it hit at 100 or 200yds.With open sights you need to sight in as far out as 100yds so that trajectories alone will dictate POI.If you guys don't know this then you are far behind.

So, with your pronouncement, the game I have killed, should not be dead?????? Somehow I think it is going to be difficult to resurrect those critters.

05 February 2013, 08:31

shootaway

Killing game is something that anyone can do but, placing your bullet, with open sights ,exactly where you want it to hit, as far out as 100yds is a difficult skill to master.

05 February 2013, 08:42

505G

quote:
It is impossible to sight in a open sight rifle at 25yds so it hits were its trajectory alone will make it hit at 100 or 200yds.With open sights you need to sight in as far out as 100yds so that trajectories alone will dictate POI

Shootaway

If I shoot one of my big bores (or mediums)
at 25 or 50 yards - and I get it where I want it, then without even thinking I know 95% of the time where it will be at 100 yards.

Yes, I fire the odd shot at 100 yards to confirm but that's about it.

Worked for every DR and bolt gun I own
and a fair few critters have died between
50 and 150 yards because of them.

IMHO
Placing your bullet with open sights at 100 yards on an animal where you want to hit it has more to do withe me thinking when doing it and practising beforehand so I get the aim, trigger pull and everything else just right.

Sights, per, hardly remember seeing them on most shots, especially those where the animal is on the run and it's just up, swing, on animal, lead and pull - brain power and muscle memory take over - as it should !!!

05 February 2013, 08:56

shootaway

95 percent of 5 or 10 times is not enough.If you keep on doing it you will see that it does not wok.

05 February 2013, 08:59

eagle27

Here is a group shot at 50m, with a scope, but it may well have been with the flip up peep sight on the Brno.

George prey tell me how a load, that is grouping like this and is hitting the target at this spot on it's trajectory after leaving the muzzle of the rifle, is going to be so far out at 100 yards or for that matter 200 yards irrespective of whether the group is shot with open sights or a scope. Not saying this group is the best by any means but it is a group and it is not going to disintegrate over a longer range.

I'm afraid to say it but a trajectory is a trajectory is a trajectory. This is the science of ballistics not bullshit.

05 February 2013, 09:04

shootaway

It is very possible and I have witnessed it myself more than a few times that such a group at 50 will impact 6 inches or 12 inches high at 100yds.Again a 25 or 50yds zero is unreliable for 100yds.In this case you could have gotten 6 inches high at 100yds then zeroed at 100yds and tested at fifty to find you were more in the center of the bullseye.

05 February 2013, 09:21

505G

shootaway

I've been doing this for 10+ years with open sights and longer with scoped rifles (excluding Army rifles and MG's).

95% - should have been 99%, the odd time is not that the bullet is 6 or 12 inches up or down, it is more likely to be off to one side by a very small amount - like maybe an inch at most.

Give me a gun that shoots and I'll shoot it in at 50 and put money on it that it will be where I expect at 100.

No if's, buts or maybes.

What are you going to do when you get a double rifle, start telling everyone about regulation and loads and how to hold it etc ???????

FMD, you really take the cake.

05 February 2013, 09:27

shootaway

505,keep on shooting and one day you will say shootaway was right!

05 February 2013, 09:33

505G

Since you are new to this, why don't you prove to
the rest of the people on here that you are correct.

Get a gun, a camera, some targets and take some photos and post them up.

Oh, by the way, if you happen to be using the wrong leaf sight at the distances mentioned or you have a slightly different sight picture or the light on the front bead is vastly different, all of those will shift POI but that has nothing to do with trajectory.

05 February 2013, 17:58

p dog shooter

quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
505,keep on shooting and one day you will say shootaway was right!

How much shooting does one have to do 5 years 10 years 50 years a thousand rounds 10 thousand rounds a hundred thousands rounds.

05 February 2013, 18:41

BNagel

Put down the beer and go book another hunt.

05 February 2013, 19:06

Fjold

The hockey lockout must still be affecting him.

05 February 2013, 20:28

Cross L

I have said for a loooooong time that Shootaway lived in an alternate universe.

That idea has now been proven correct because Physics and gravity are different where he is.

05 February 2013, 20:39

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by Cross L:
I have said for a loooooong time that Shootaway lived in an alternate universe.

That idea has now been proven correct because Physics and gravity are different where he is.

Maybe he's watched the Matrix too many times. He believes he's "The One".

05 February 2013, 21:33

shootaway

I have not seen that-I do not watch many movies but now that you mentioned it it must be OK.I think I will kook for it.I am waiting for another Sergei Bodrov film to come out-I enjoyed Mongol.

05 February 2013, 22:48

artshaw

Montreal is in Quebec. Quebec is the only province that wants to KEEP the 100% ineffective long gun registration law. Any questions about the sanity there ?

While I love to visit Montreal, Quebec City, Paris etc. and even hanker to own a Citroën DS Pallas, I'm not moving anywhere where the people have yet to understand that English is the Universal Language.

"English is without a doubt the actual universal language. It is the world's second largest native language, the official language in 70 countries, and English-speaking countries are responsible for about 40% of world's total GNP. "

It's like debating Obama sycophant or perhaps his translation software is defective.

05 February 2013, 23:19

shootaway

It is cold,boring,too liberal and not that economically strong,but it is home.Maybe one day I`ll live in the US- who knows? It sucks here there is no doubt about that.

06 February 2013, 01:24

505G

"and not that economically strong"

And the way I read it, the way that lot go about things has a fair bit to do with it and so it will never get much better.

Culture is one thing but dictating to try to maintain it is another.

06 February 2013, 01:57

jwm

Cold?!?! It's winter...man up, Nancy.

Boring? Life is only as boring as you make it. Canada offers some of the best hunting in the world. Honestly, shootaway, there's so much game up here that you should be able to get within 50 yards of something and score a hit, even with those weird twilight-zone laws of physics that hold sway in Quebec and apparently create such havoc with external ballistics.

Too Liberal? Economically weak? No argument there, but unfortunately we get the government we deserve, because we voted them in. The Conservatives in power here in Canada would be considered Liberals by American standards, but looking at the overall picture, I'm still happy to be Canadian.

06 February 2013, 03:04

michael458

quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
It is cold,boring,too liberal and not that economically strong,but it is home.Maybe one day I`ll live in the US- who knows? It sucks here there is no doubt about that.

Shoots, I hear Idaho is REALLY NICE! Yes, its a fact, great place to be. Idaho!! I think you really should look into going to Idaho. In fact, I know someone there that will help you get a good
start there, maybe he is even watching this thread???? Idaho--For sure the place for you to be!

Michael

06 February 2013, 03:21

Muttly

06 February 2013, 03:24

MJines

quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
It is cold, boring, too liberal and not that economically strong, but it is home . . . It sucks here there is no doubt about that.

Did that come from a Canadian Tourism Ministry pamplet?

Would make a really neat t-shirt. Maybe a maple leaf, with that printed inside the leaf. You could sell them at the convenience store.

06 February 2013, 03:25

505G

quote:
Boring?

As the other poster said, only as boring as you make it.

And I have never heard anyone say Canada is boring.

Plus as also pointed out, with all the hunting you have plus the US just across the border,
I don't know how you find time to sleep !!!

06 February 2013, 03:30

465H&H

quote:
Originally posted by michael458:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
It is cold,boring,too liberal and not that economically strong,but it is home.Maybe one day I`ll live in the US- who knows? It sucks here there is no doubt about that.

Shoots, I hear Idaho is REALLY NICE! Yes, its a fact, great place to be. Idaho!! I think you really should look into going to Idaho. In fact, I know someone there that will help you get a good
start there, maybe he is even watching this thread???? Idaho--For sure the place for you to be!

Michael

Ok Michael! No more nice guy you are now officially on my shit list.

465H&H

06 February 2013, 04:13

.458 Only

OK guys, lay off Canada... that's a WARNING!

Shootaway has a .458 Lott ya know, and a double's soon arrivin', watch out for those big-bore missiles comin' your way... he's our secret weapon! Ya know, with those mysterious trajectories not known to the rest of the world, maybe he has connections you are unaware of since you don't understand how they work!

He may take over the world for Canada!

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

06 February 2013, 04:30

Nakihunter

I know of someone who recently finished off a wounded buffalo running shot at several hundred meters with big bore DR!

Wonder what elevation he had to guess?

I know there are witnesses to that incident here on this debate!

06 February 2013, 05:00

.458 Only

"Debate"!, this ain't no debate man, this is weird science known ONLY to those who live in the FAR North (Canada). Why only yesterday as I stepped out of my igloo (You know it's daylight 24/7 here -- then after 6 months it's dark 24/7!)...

as I was sayin', as I stepped out of my igloo with my fav Big Bore Ross, I sighted a pretty good woolie mammoth, and took a poke at him/her (or maybe it was an Arctic hare), anyways, I had to remember to duck as the boolit flew quickly around the electric pole up here (at the very top, ya know) because if your shootin' west -- or is it east? Anyways, whichever way your shootin' because of the electric-gravitation effect, the boolet is comin' right atcha from behind!

So, be reasonable guys, there's no wonder that shootaway explains things the way he does because only a very few scientists understand them... and shootaway just happens to be one of them.

Be good to him.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

06 February 2013, 05:01

michael458

quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
quote:
Originally posted by michael458:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
It is cold,boring,too liberal and not that economically strong,but it is home.Maybe one day I`ll live in the US- who knows? It sucks here there is no doubt about that.

Shoots, I hear Idaho is REALLY NICE! Yes, its a fact, great place to be. Idaho!! I think you really should look into going to Idaho. In fact, I know someone there that will help you get a good
start there, maybe he is even watching this thread???? Idaho--For sure the place for you to be!

Michael

Ok Michael! No more nice guy you are now officially on my shit list.

465H&H

465HH, Whatever do you mean?

Why I thought you and shoots, being neighbors, could sit around, share a few drinks, talk about the virtues of shooting long distance, iron sights, Woodleigh FMJ round nose solids, and now that Shoots is a true blue "Double Rifle" sort of chap, I just thought you two would have so much in common, why my goodness, almost a match made in................ HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG, this is too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEH........

06 February 2013, 05:10

465H&H

quote:
Originally posted by michael458:
quote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
quote:
Originally posted by michael458:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
It is cold,boring,too liberal and not that economically strong,but it is home.Maybe one day I`ll live in the US- who knows? It sucks here there is no doubt about that.

Shoots, I hear Idaho is REALLY NICE! Yes, its a fact, great place to be. Idaho!! I think you really should look into going to Idaho. In fact, I know someone there that will help you get a good
start there, maybe he is even watching this thread???? Idaho--For sure the place for you to be!

Michael

Ok Michael! No more nice guy you are now officially on my shit list.

465H&H

465HH, Whatever do you mean?

Why I thought you and shoots, being neighbors, could sit around, share a few drinks, talk about the virtues of shooting long distance, iron sights, Woodleigh FMJ round nose solids, and now that Shoots is a true blue "Double Rifle" sort of chap, I just thought you two would have so much in common, why my goodness, almost a match made in................ HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG, this is too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEH........

Michael,

I see you must have failed geography class in high school. Montreal is close to Idaho? Hell your closer to Montreal than I am.

465H&H

06 February 2013, 05:57

surestrike

George,

You are aware that light as in time of day can have a drastic affect on your perceived sight alignment right?

What you are explaining sounds like sight alignment perception. Not proper sight alignment.

Just a thought.

06 February 2013, 07:11

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by .458 Only:
"Debate"!, this ain't no debate man, this is weird science known ONLY to those who live in the FAR North (Canada). Why only yesterday as I stepped out of my igloo (You know it's daylight 24/7 here -- then after 6 months it's dark 24/7!)...

as I was sayin', as I stepped out of my igloo with my fav Big Bore Ross, I sighted a pretty good woolie mammoth, and took a poke at him/her (or maybe it was an Arctic hare), anyways, I had to remember to duck as the boolit flew quickly around the electric pole up here (at the very top, ya know) because if your shootin' west -- or is it east? Anyways, whichever way your shootin' because of the electric-gravitation effect, the boolet is comin' right atcha from behind!

So, be reasonable guys, there's no wonder that shootaway explains things the way he does because only a very few scientists understand them... and shootaway just happens to be one of them.

Be good to him.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

So what you're saying is ... "He is the one"!

06 February 2013, 08:24

Michael Robinson

Mais c'est vrai, sans doute.

Trajectory alone determines point of impact.

Merci pour l'explication, monsieur.

06 February 2013, 08:36

shootaway

Here is another question.If the crosshairs in your scope do not shake at 25yds do you believe that they are not shaking at 500yds and trajectory alone will determine POI? Why do they shake at 500 and not at 25yds-becuse there is such a thing called margin of error.In the same way,open sights need to be adjusted at 100 to shoot bullseye at 50 and 100 all the time.Wake up everyone.

06 February 2013, 08:43

shootaway

quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:
George,

You are aware that light as in time of day can have a drastic affect on your perceived sight alignment right?

What you are explaining sounds like sight alignment perception. Not proper sight alignment.

Just a thought.

What if a bad 50yds sight alignment is set and it strikes 11 inches low at 100yds and it is verified the following day and again the next? It is then adjusted to zero at 100yds and it is rechecked at 50yds to strike an inch higher(on many occasions).Point of impacts are always checked by groups,BTW.

06 February 2013, 08:48

npd345

quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
It is cold,boring,too liberal and not that economically strong,but it is home.Maybe one day I`ll live in the US- who knows? It sucks here there is no doubt about that.

Ok it has happened,,,I agree with one of his posts