I was wondering which manufacturers use them and how they compare to Krieger barrels etc... I have seen a quality difference among the barrels I used from different manufacturers even though others doubt these differences exist.

opinion only....no proof here.....Krupp is a very old German name in the steel and iron industry and were key players in WWII artilery (the big gustof guns on double rail tracks were Krupp) and if anyone knows anything about gun metal metallurgy they do!......but seriously I doubt they know more than Douglas, Shilen, Hart, Pac Nor, or any other current popular barrel maker.....it's a very competetive business and I wouldn't pay anything extra for such branded items as "Krupp" or "Bofors" or "Swedish" or "Sheffield".....the metallurgy of steels is no longer a secret nor is the science of alloying...pick your barrel by trade name and assume they buy the steel necessary to carry their reputation to the customer.

I am always on the look-out for talent in the barrel making arena.Whatever name they go by,where ever they may be.I dont care what others say.If I try it and it is good then that is all that matters to me.

The old English makers of pre W.W.1 used Krupp steel in their barrels. The old Alaska Railroad tracks that cut through my property are marked Krupp. Many of the early Jevvery .600s have barrels marked Krupp or Krupp-Gustahl.
Cal

Some say they're okay; some say they're Krupp.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I was wondering which manufacturers use them and how they compare to Krieger barrels etc...

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I dont care what others say.If I try it and it is good then that is all that matters to me.

Ohh good another Shootaway thread and I see it is off to the usual Shootaway response...

So which is it Shootaway, do you want to hear what other people have to say or do you not care what other people have to say and you are just starting this so you have something to argue about?

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Ignored post by shootaway posted 18 May 2013 00:26

I won't make that mistake again

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Originally posted by CowboyCS:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I was wondering which manufacturers use them and how they compare to Krieger barrels etc...

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I dont care what others say.If I try it and it is good then that is all that matters to me.

Ohh good another Shootaway thread and I see it is off to the usual Shootaway response...

So which is it Shootaway, do you want to hear what other people have to say or do you not care what other people have to say and you are just starting this so you have something to argue about?

You should not concentrate too much on how the content or subject matter is presented as much as the content itself.The subject is Krupp steel barrels.

Where do you find Krupp Steel barrels these days?

It says on the Heym website that the barrels of there bolt action express rifles are made with Krupp barrel steel.

Then I'd say they were good barrels! The Krupp Steel barrels on my double rifle, circa 1912, are still going strong.

My Merkel K1 and my wife's K3 barrels are both listed as Krupp barrels. The K1 24" bbl in 7mm RMag groups 1/2" at 100 yards while the K3 Stutzen in 7x57r will shoot 3/4" at 100 yards.

My only complaint is that both barrels seem a little slow. Given the weight and accuracy of the rifles I think I can "forgive" that transgression.

I have no problem with the Krupp barrels in my safe.

I have owned shot with max loads btw, many of the old Mausers with Krupp steel barrels and never had a problem..Barrel steel within reason is pretty soft anyway, so I see no danger in using the old barrels...

As to accuracy, I'd say they are somewhat inferior over all to our best quality barrels, as the tooling back then had to be some inferior..I base this on shooting a lot of both and barrels such as Lothar Walther shoot circles around the old Mausers, but for strictly hunting I wouldn't say the difference is mush at all...

My only present Krupp steel barrel is on a wildcat 375x62, an old rebored Mauser 9x57 fwt barrel with a full rib barrel, and it shoots 1.5 and 1 inch groups and with max loads. I love the gun..

Some of the rebore people have told me the old Mauser barrels have varing steel an one barrel may go from hard to soft in spots and they don't like to rebore them, but High Plains has no problem with them and all his rebored old Mauser barrels shoot darn well. I am having him do more and more barrels for my personal guns as its cheaper and they have all shot in the one inch range..

Krupp barrel is on my Hyem 600 nitro bolt gun and it shoots great. Kicks like hell though.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
opinion only....no proof here.....Krupp is a very old German name in the steel and iron industry and were key players in WWII artilery (the big gustof guns on double rail tracks were Krupp) and if anyone knows anything about gun metal metallurgy they do!......but seriously I doubt they know more than Douglas, Shilen, Hart, Pac Nor, or any other current popular barrel maker.....it's a very competetive business and I wouldn't pay anything extra for such branded items as "Krupp" or "Bofors" or "Swedish" or "Sheffield".....the metallurgy of steels is no longer a secret nor is the science of alloying...pick your barrel by trade name and assume they buy the steel necessary to carry their reputation to the customer.

Vapodog, barrel makers like Shilen, Hart, Douglas, Pac Nor, Make barrels from steel made by other companies, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn many of the above names use Krupp billets. Their expertise is in the quality of the boring machining, and rifling, not in the steel, though they do use good steel. Krupp on the other hand makes the steel and it is among the finest steel in the world. I would venture to say that many barrel maker use Krupp billet blanks. Many of the British rifle makers with well known names used Krupp blanks in the finest rifles, that are still shooting fine today 100 yrs later. All of the best German made rifles of any type use Krupp Cold hammer forged barrel blanks or make their own cold hammer forged barrels from Krupp billets.

I have several 80 to 100 yr old rifles with Krupp cold hammer forged barrels. I’d say Krupp takes back seat to no steel maker!

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Bigdoggy- So you finally shot that beast. I told you it kicks like hell!-Rob

There is nothing magic about gun barrel steel and I don't care what you think you know. Krupp steel is only the raw material.
It does not guarantee the workmanship of the barrel. Most of the value in a rifle barrel comes from the workmanship and not from the steel. The worlds finest barrels are NOT made by Krupp.

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Originally posted by CowboyCS:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I was wondering which manufacturers use them and how they compare to Krieger barrels etc...

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I dont care what others say.If I try it and it is good then that is all that matters to me.

Ohh good another Shootaway thread and I see it is off to the usual Shootaway response...

So which is it Shootaway, do you want to hear what other people have to say or do you not care what other people have to say and you are just starting this so you have something to argue about?

You should not concentrate too much on how the content or subject matter is presented as much as the content itself.The subject is Krupp steel barrels.

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Originally posted by MacD37:
All of the best German made rifles of any type use Krupp Cold hammer forged barrel blanks or make their own cold hammer forged barrels from Krupp billets.

+1 eg Hartmann & Weiss

Merkel barrels still brag about being of "Krupp Stahl" in their roll stamping on the barrels of the double rifles.
No doubt, it is good steel, created to make the artillery of 20th century war possible.
Prior to "Krupp Steel" the rifle barrels were heavier and weaker.