EAA Doubles. Any Good???

21 January 2004, 14:44

Looking to buy the EAA SxS in .45/70. Wanted to get some feedback to the quality and action strength of the rifle. Makes me wonder since its so cheap. ($525.00) Thanks for feedback.

21 January 2004, 15:04

TXPO

As far as I know they are not yet available in the states. Have you seen one somewhere???

21 January 2004, 17:08

jeffeosso

Wes,
I posted what they told me... holdup is in russia

jeffe

22 January 2004, 01:12

p dog shooter

I have one of their combo guns. works great a little on the heavy side but shoots slugs and 7x57 ammo to the same point at 30 yards the rifle barrel will put the first two rounds touching at 100.

22 January 2004, 06:17

Trapshooter

I gave Olde English Gun Shop up here in Troy, OH a call and they told me they can order them but they are sometimes hard to get in. Their the ones who gave me the price of $525.00 OTD.

22 January 2004, 08:26

jeffeosso

Hey Trap..
they stretched the truth a little... hard to get in... THE COUNTRY... the first one hasn't been commerically imported

jeffe

22 January 2004, 10:48

Trapshooter

That makes me mad, they got my hopes up on getting one and then I find this out (just my luck). Ill give em a call tommorow and tell them that if they cant get things they shouldnt say they can. Thanks for the heads up Jeffe!

22 January 2004, 11:05

GeorgeS

They are probably just quoting what their distributors tell them; few gun shops keep abreast of product importations.

George

22 January 2004, 11:59

Crazyquik

Yeah, dont get too mad at them. They (EAA) have been stringing us along for a while now. Was hung up in Washington's redtape, now evidently the holdup is in Russia. Not sure if its redtape or manufacturing or what over there.

22 January 2004, 15:36

NitroX

I was speaking to an ammunition retailer in Australia a week ago and a mate of is is importing "Baikal" double rifles into Aust and this fellow bought one.

Not sure if they are EAA's but they sound like it from the description.

Same sort of prices too. Made me interested instantly too.

22 January 2004, 16:11

jeffeosso

the baikal double is an O/U, i believe, rather than a SxS, which the mp221 is

jeffe

22 January 2004, 16:37

<Timberghost>

The Baikal web site lists the IZH MP221 SxS 45-70, 23.5" barrels, jack screw regulated for $629 SRP. Im sure they could be purchased for less if they would just SHIP THE DARN THINGS TO US!!!
Ghost

24 January 2004, 11:46

Shiloh

one re barreled to 35 whelen or 35/308 would a real nice gun for the brush down here in alabama

23 January 2004, 06:19

MacD37

If EAA ever gets the Baikal S/S here, I will more than likely buy one, in 45-70, and rebarrel it to 30-30 Win and regulate it at 100 yds,and permently mount the ribs. Under $700 USD SRP is hard to pass, even if it isn't worth crap,with another $400 for a pair of barrel blanks, you still don't loose much!

23 January 2004, 06:36

GeorgeS

Mac,

This rifle does come chambered in .30-30, so perhaps they'll sell you a set of barrels, and have them fitted to your action.

Too bad it's got that cheekpiece, though.

George

23 January 2004, 07:09

Lar45

When I first heard of them over a year ago, I went out and ordered 500rnds of 45-70 brass and a couple thousand bullets as well as lots of 458 molds. I wish they would hurry up. I still want 3 barrels with mine, 45-70, 30-06 and 20ga.

23 January 2004, 09:58

Crazyquik

When they get here, think they'll have underestimated the demand for them and sell out of the first run really fast?

Or are there only about 20 ppl in the US that want them?

23 January 2004, 10:39

jeffeosso

heck, i've got orders in

will sctrach my double itch, for awhile...

jeffe

23 January 2004, 19:10

RobertD

I think they underestimated..... I would buy one!

RobertD

24 January 2004, 02:10

Pedestal

Jeffe: you have a PM.

24 January 2004, 09:09

MacD37

Quote:

Mac,

This rifle does come chambered in .30-30, so perhaps they'll sell you a set of barrels, and have them fitted to your action. Too bad it's got that cheekpiece, though.

George

George, the rifle doen't come chambered for 30-30 Win, and I have no need for the 45-70 barrels, so the re-barrel will happen! I take it you are left handed, but the cheekpiece can easily be removed, so it isn't a problem!

The rifle comes chambered for the following cartridges:

7.62X39

308 Win

30-06

270 Win

223

45-70

I also might buy one chambered for 223, and rechamber it for 225 Win a simi rimmed cartridge! I don't want anything to do with rimless cartridges in a double rifle!

24 January 2004, 09:37

tiggertate

I don't have the chamber drawings but what are the chances the 7.62x39 will clean up to a 303 Brit? Or if necessary a 303 Improved? For that matter, the 308 might make a dandy 30-40 Imp. or 300 Flanged? The options are many.

24 January 2004, 09:38

GeorgeS

Ack! I was reading the specs of the O/U rifle, not the SxS model. Sorry

How about a .308 re-chambered to 7.62x54R?

George

24 January 2004, 16:46

jeffeosso

Nutting wrong with light 45/70 weight bullets...

or heavy ones, too!!

jeffe

25 January 2004, 07:16

<Timberghost>

Jeffe,
I have demanded the first one shipped to my supplier

. I have heard that they have a pretty strong action. The barrel design makes me wonder if it would be safe to try rechambering to a 450NE? Thoughts?
Ghost

25 January 2004, 07:36

MacD37

Quote:

Jeffe,
I have demanded the first one shipped to my supplier . I have heard that they have a pretty strong action. The barrel design makes me wonder if it would be safe to try rechambering to a 450NE? Thoughts?
Ghost

Timberghost, what is wrong with the barrel design that would preclud re-chambering to the 450#2 NE?

25 January 2004, 11:31

<Timberghost>

Mac,
I have no facts, but I have heard that it is a monoblock, which I am told is good, but the barrels might be too thin at the breech for a fat cartrage that long. Something having to do with the jack screw being able to move the second barrel? Again, this is just a rumor that I heard. Thats why I'm asking for input from the experts. I don't think that anybody has even seen one to have a solid opinion yet. Any thoughts? anyone? I would think that this is the dream of most interested parties... a NE chambered SxS for under $1000

.
Ghost

25 January 2004, 13:29

Crazyquik

Arrrrrgh!! The more times I read this thread the more I want one and now now now!!!!

Alas, I'm not holding my breath though. It's liable to be another year.

25 January 2004, 13:43

jeffeosso

TimmmbeeerrrrGgghhoooosssttt (sorry, just had to say it like spaceghost)

I think it'll be plenty strong for 45/70 loads... if it looks like it is holding together, i'll do it in 45/120 or rcbs... if THAT looks fine, 450 ne2...

and then i hope and PRAY it'll be strong enough for the 470 NE barrels i'll make for it..

jeffe

25 January 2004, 15:06

Crazyquik

Is a .45-120 (or 125) about the same length as a .450 NE #2?

25 January 2004, 17:22

MacD37

Timberghost, the fact that it is a MONO-BLOCK, has nothing to do with it being able to take long cartridges. A mono-block simply means the reciever, and lumps are made from one solid piece of steel, with the chambered barrels either swetted in, or threaded in to the reciever exactly the same way a bolt action barrel is threaded into the reciever. There is absolutely no difference in the stregth of the barrel ahead of the mono-block! The jack screw is in the middle, and at the muzzle of the barrels, and no where near the chamber end of the barrels, and simply puts pressure on the barrels to make them shoot together, similer to piller bedding a rifle barrel in a stock. The barrels are not loose in the mono-block, but are maunted solidly just like your bolt action rifle!

This rifle certainly may not be strong enough for the 450#2 NE, but if it isn't, it isn't strong enough for a hot 45-70 either, because the 45-70 puts out more chamber pressure than the 450#2 NE, and is almost as big around as the NE round. The barrel may be too thin out where the shoulder of the 450#2 NE, but that has to do with barrel conture, and absolutely nothing to do with being a mono-block action. A mono-block action is just as strong as a similer quality Chopper lump. The shoe lump, or dovetail lump are also strong, but are generally considered to be weaker.

Personally if I wanted a 450#2 NE I would start with a Pedersoli Kodiak. In Fact, I have one chambered for 458 RCBS, that is scheduled to be re-chambered for the 450#2 NE as we speak! If I get one,of the Biakals, I will remove the 45-70 barrels and screw in a pair of 20" 30-30, or 24" 30-40 Krieg, barrels, to make a brush country deer rifle! Now to me, that makes sense!

25 January 2004, 19:09

Lar45

I wonder if the 7.62x39 will be made on a .308 barrel like Ruger did?

If it will convert to 450 no2 then once the jackscrews are adjusted you could just solder them inplace to avoid movement later.

26 January 2004, 03:31

Rob01

Quote:

This rifle certainly may not be strong enough for the 450#2 NE, but if it isn't, it isn't strong enough for a hot 45-70 either, because the 45-70 puts out more chamber pressure than the 450#2 NE, and is almost as big around as the NE round.

I was wondering the same thing when I saw this thread. I was wondering if the rifle could take the heavy 45/70 loads by companies like CorBon and others who load up the 45/70. If so it should work pretty well as a 45/70 aolne but I can see where you would want a NE for under $1000.

Just as a side note for anyone who hasn't seen it there is a good article on the 45/70 in Africa in the Jan 04 issue of Rifle magazine. The author seems to really liek it for the game he took.

26 January 2004, 19:49

<Timberghost>

Jeffe,
Please post a thread on your findings when we get these. If it works, I would like to have mine rechambered to 450#2 and I only live one state north of you...

I hadn't thought about the 470...that would be way cool

... and still very inexpensive as compared to other doubles.

Ghost

Oh! And don't sweat the handle slam. My friends give me crap all the time about it because I'm not very sneeky in the woods. The truth is, I refer to the whitetail deer as the "Timberghost" for the way they can just appear out of nowhere and look as if they have been standing there for hours...like a ghost.