Copper fouling LOTT

14 April 2005, 13:10

charger

Copper fouling LOTT

I'll get right to the point..No matter what you put in the girl it copper streaks the lands starting in as little as 2 shots.And I mean no matter what.Do you just ignore it till it effects accuracy? Oh ya,ruger 77.PSS.Man do you gotta scrub with bronze and cr10.I'm hoping in time it'll shoot in.Hornady's worse

14 April 2005, 17:32

Steve

My Ruger does the same thing. I've got about 200 rounds through it, I'd guess.

Doesn't seem to effect accuracy much. Of course the duration of my sessions with the Lott usually limited to less than 30 shots. It should be obvious as to why to anyone who's shot the Lott much.

I wouldn't worry the fouling much. Just shoot it. I'd also get some wipeout. It'll cut back on the amount of brushing you'll have to do.

-Steve

14 April 2005, 18:10

new_guy

Yes, get wipeout and forget the fouling.

14 April 2005, 18:52

GeorgeS

What you are seeing is perfectly normal. Keep shooting until accuracy falls off (based on whatever 'accuracy' baseline you've established with that rifle).

THEN, clean it with whatever makes you happy (I use Sweet's or Barnes CR10), and fire a couple of fouling shots before shooting for group again.

George

14 April 2005, 19:35

Sodakhntr

If you use wipeout or other and remove all copper and then use J-B compound for a hundred strokes or so, you should see an improvement.

14 April 2005, 21:10

Atkinson

Clean it with Wipe out...

Big bores foul more than small bores because they have more surface to foul..

Its not as big a deal in big bores and seems to have little effect on accuracy as it would in a small bore varmint or target rifle as such accuracy is not needed for a DGR, but never buy off on the minute of grapefruit as being acceptable, it caught on because its cute but its incorrect...you may want to stick one of those bit bullets in somethings eyeball as it attempts to eat or stomp you..that requires minute of golfball at least...

15 April 2005, 05:04

charger

Is wipe out better than barnes cr10 ? Although the barnes works its not fast in this case.

15 April 2005, 06:48

new_guy

Yes, wipe out is "better" IMO. You have to let it work overnight, so it's not fast. However, you let it do the work - instead of your "elbow grease". You can let your gun sit overnight with it in the barrel and clean it with two patches the next day.

I've found it to be more thorough at copper removal than sweets, barnes, butches, etc... (you name it - i've tried it) and wipe out has no ammonia.

16 April 2005, 10:23

Atkinson

I leave Wipe Out in a bore for no more than 30 minutes, may repeat that up to 3 times and the bore is clean enough...Its not necessary to get a bore squeeky clean, because you will have to fire fouling shots anyway...I think most folks tend to over clean a bore..More damage has been done with a cleaning rod than ever happened with a dirty bore.

16 April 2005, 14:47

Minkman

I'm with Ray on this one.

I don't like the idea of leaving anything that cuts any metal in longer than 20-30 minutes.

Only being younger, but Lord knows not as handsome as Ray, it only takes me two times w/Wipeout. Then I patch it dry, then a good oily patch, then patch it dry before shooting the fouling shots.

It may be a bit over the top, but I just don't trust corrosives or surfactants, and won't leave them in my barrel.

Minkman

16 April 2005, 23:42

SBT

I was having the same broblem with a Ruger 375 H&H. Just couldn't get the copper out. then I found Wipe Out. It works.

I have also recently used Barnes Triple Shock bullets for the first time. There was visually less fouling. Not just copper, but for some reason, considerably less powder residue. It was amazing. Anybody know why there was less powder fouling?

17 April 2005, 00:47

510wells

quote:
Originally posted by SBT:
I was having the same broblem with a Ruger 375 H&H. Just couldn't get the copper out. then I found Wipe Out. It works.

I have also recently used Barnes Triple Shock bullets for the first time. There was visually less fouling. Not just copper, but for some reason, considerably less powder residue. It was amazing. Anybody know why there was less powder fouling?

Higher pressure maybe? I seem to remember most smokeless powders burn cleaner the higher the pressure.

17 April 2005, 00:50

Charles Mc Williams

I love Barnes and have experienced the fouling like all of you have. After trying many products i stubled into wipeouts and it truly does work. As far as cleaning in the field, i never do until the hunt is over or i use it for a post hole digger. Ray said something that went by all of us. Cleaning has truly runied the accuracy of more fine barrels than fouling ever will, with todays no corrosive powders and primers there really isnt too much to worry about. Charlie

17 April 2005, 01:16

Savage99

There was one mention above of a compound like JB's.

I clean with a patch and Hoppes, a bronze brush and sometimes Rem Clean on a patch over a smaller brush. This seems to get a lot out and they shoot well.

Shine a pen light into a small bore from the muzzle and see what's left. Hope I have not spoiled your fun. The compounds seem to really knock it down fast. Twenty strokes seems like enough.

17 April 2005, 03:49

Sodakhntr

Savage99,

I have found that with a new "rough" barrel, some extra strokes with J-B early on, actually appears to polish out some of the roughness and reduces the fouling.

17 April 2005, 04:57

Atkinson

Minkman,
Its good that you recognize me for the handsome debonair gentleman that I am, you will go far grasshopper!

17 April 2005, 20:11

charger

You know,I did some thinkin today,when I was out at my little 70 yd range sighting the lott in with irons cause I'm still waiting a scope..Copper streaking or not,if it can kick speer 350's out at 2840 fps and do this with irons,I guess we can be friends..And you gotta remember thats one u those 20 c quarters,a little smaller.

17 April 2005, 21:23

new_guy

For those that haven't used it, here's what to expect from Wipe Out bore cleaner.

1) Fill the bore and let soak according to directions ( i let it soak overnight)

2) This is what you see the next morning...
[image]http://www.shangaanhunters.com/wipeout/1.jpg[/image]

3) The first patch through the bore looks like this...
[image]http://www.shangaanhunters.com/wipeout/2.jpg[/image]

4) This shows the puddle of copper that dripped out of the barrel and what the fist patch pushed through the bore.
[image]http://www.shangaanhunters.com/wipeout/3.jpg[/image]

5) This shows the second patch through the bore and the black on the patch is powder fouling. A second (sometimes a thrid is needed) application get's rid of the powder fouling.
[image]http://www.shangaanhunters.com/wipeout/4.jpg[/image]

That's why the guys that use Wipe Out reccomend it so much to the guys that don't.

One soaking, one patch and the copper is gone.

PS - no ammonia.

17 April 2005, 21:24

new_guy

quote:
Originally posted by new_guy:
For those that haven't used it, here's what to expect from Wipe Out bore cleaner.

1) Fill the bore and let soak according to directions ( i let it soak overnight)

2) This is what you see the next morning...

3) The first patch through the bore looks like this...

4) This shows the puddle of copper that dripped out of the barrel and what the fist patch pushed through the bore.

5) This shows the second patch through the bore and the black on the patch is powder fouling. A second (sometimes a thrid is needed) application get's rid of the powder fouling.

That's why the guys that use Wipe Out reccomend it so much to the guys that don't.

One soaking, one patch and the copper is gone.

PS - no ammonia.