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07 January 2003, 08:13
Thomas M
Email to Horneber
Need brass for my 450Rigby... Can you help?

Does anybody have a working email adress to Dieter Horneber?

Does anybody know a European place where I can buy Horneber brass?

[Confused]

Thanks!
07 January 2003, 10:56
Nitroman
Dieter Horneber
Siegelsdorfer Str. 3490768 F�rth
Telefon 0911 / 753 06 07
FAX 0911 / 76 72 49
E-Mail DHorneber@AOL.COM

Hope this helps!

[ 01-07-2003, 01:57: Message edited by: Roger Rothschild ]
07 January 2003, 12:15
500grains
Norma 416 rigby brass has been very good in my experience. Isn't there any available off the shelf near you?
14 January 2003, 08:10
Thomas M
Thanks.

I have some Norma 416 Brass and I plan to use it mostly but I allso want some with the right head stamp. I just recieved 20 Bertram cases but I hear they arn't as good at Horneber brass.

Norma 416 Rigby is about $60US for 20 pieces of the shelf (in Sweden). I think Horneber is not that much more expensive.
14 January 2003, 08:50
500grains
Wow!

I bought some Norma 416 rigby brass last year for US$34 for a box of 20.
14 January 2003, 11:17
BER007
quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
Wow!

I bought some Norma 416 rigby brass last year for US$34 for a box of 20.
I don't know why but in the US you have better or similar prices than us in EU for EU products.

I prefer puchase at Midway than purchase at a local gun dealer in Belgium (lapua brass, lapua bullets,...)
14 January 2003, 15:39
Mingbogo
I buy my 450 Rigby brass (Horneber made) from Huntington in USA. In fact, I just got 60 cases from them last Friday. I paid $60+ for 20 cases.

The 416 Rigby case would work but it is not as easy as it look to load and fireform. The shoulder would usually collaspe when running the 45 cal. expander through the neck and I usually end up trashing a few cases. I will use the real 450 Rigby from now on to make life a little easier.

Here is a picture:
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The three left are 416 Rigby Norma cases fireformed in my 450 Rigby rifle while the three right are real 450 Rigby fireformed cases.

Good luck!
14 January 2003, 16:28
Robgunbuilder
Mingo- a tapered expander will cure that problem.-Rob
14 January 2003, 17:31
Mingbogo
Thanks Rob for the tip!
14 January 2003, 18:25
RIP
Lubricating the inside of the case neck with resizing lube or graphite dry lube will also save cases when forming, especially if used with a tapered neck expander. [Big Grin] You can clean them up afterwards.
17 January 2003, 07:31
Thomas M
I just ordered 25 Horneber cases for 77 Euro with is about 75 US or something like that.

One difference between US and Europe is the sales tax. In sweden it is 25% and in germany it's 17%. In the states my guess is less than 10%.

quote:
Mingo- a tapered expander will cure that problem.-Rob
Rob,

Where can I get the tapered expander? Is it for some sizing die? I have the CH4D dies and theres no traditional expander on those.
17 January 2003, 07:38
Nitroman
Gentlemen,

I crushed about $20.00 worth of nice Norma .460 Weatherby cases 'till I realized annealing the necks would probably help. It did. No more crushed cases.
17 January 2003, 07:45
Paul H
quote:
Originally posted by Thomas M:
(sic)
One difference between US and Europe is the sales tax. In sweden it is 25% and in germany it's 17%. In the states my guess is less than 10%.
(sic)
Actually, ours is 0%, as well as our state income tax.
17 January 2003, 18:40
RIP
Roger,
Good point. I can recall doing the same when necking up 460 Wby brass to .510. I annealed and solved the problem. I also used graphite dry lube inside the neck.

And, of course, the tapered expander helps. [Big Grin]
17 January 2003, 19:02
Robgunbuilder
Tappered expanders for some calibers, I believe are available from Sinclair. Hornady might also be offering them. If you have a Lathe just take the stock expander and turn a little taper into it with the compound set at20- 30 degrees or so and a carbide tool . These things are hardened parts. It takes about a minute. you can also modify the expander size at the same time. I made lots of these things for friends when we were shooting Black powder cartridges that liked to collapse.-Rob