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Remington 11-87 Question
10 October 2006, 13:27
muzzaRemington 11-87 Question
On behalf of a hunting buddy - is it feasable to lengthen the chamber in a 2 3/4" gun to shoot 3" shells ?
Or more specifically , since the actual chamber job is reasonably straight forward - and he is an engineer - will the Remington action feed and discharge 3" shells without modification ?
Thanks in advance.
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12 October 2006, 07:49
keystone hog hunternot recomened,,,, but most 1100s will chamber and function with 3in loads.... but if it is a magnum will not function with light 2 3/4 loads.... werent all 1187 3 inch????... cheaper to just buy another barrell if not
12 October 2006, 11:09
RandyWakemanquote:
Or more specifically , since the actual chamber job is reasonably straight forward - and he is an engineer - will the Remington action feed and discharge 3" shells without modification ?
An engineer?
Is he going to sand some metal into the gas ports to shrink them a bit for 3 in. shells?
12 October 2006, 13:16
muzzaWell now Mr Wakeman - if I could just refer you back up to the actual question , maybe you could offer me some usefull advice rather than making a joke of it .
And why is being an engineer amusing? All gunsmiths are engineers - but certainly not all engineers are gunsmiths. If this one was he probably wouldnt have sought advice on this situation from a forum that one might reasonably expect to be the place with the knowledge needed.
I would still like some information as whether its possible to do this job on the gun , if not why not , and any helpfull suggestions .
Keystone HH - we get ripped off badly in New Zealand on things like gunparts - a new barrell is bound to be more expensive than the whole gun is worth - hence the initial query. Thanks for your suggestion all the same .
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12 October 2006, 15:20
RandyWakemanAssuming the ejection port is adequate for 3 in. shells (unfolded length), which I believe it is-- ejection itself would not be an issue.
However, most 2-3/4 in. chambered semi-autos (unusual for an 11-87) have gas porting suitable for skeet or sporting clays loads-- that includes the 1100 "optimized" for skeet, certain Browning Gold clays guns, etc.
The answer would be the same for an "engineer," a fireman, a doctor, a scuba diver, or my next door neighbor. Whatever an individual's vocation might be has never has much to do with the way firearms work.
So, a steady diet of 3 in. shells would not be a good idea with a 2-3/4 in. ported gun. Non-compensating gas systems (a302 / 303 / B-80 / B2000) increase bolt speed in concert with the gas flow through the ports. 3 in. barrels have smaller ports in the case of an A303, in the case of a B2000 you have one port instead of two. Too much bolt speed peens receivers, breaks links, etc.
For a gas gun, a barrel change makes a lot more sense.
13 October 2006, 01:23
muzzaNow that is exactley the sort of information I was after . Thank you very much - also the fact that the information is understandable in normal person language .
I will pass that on to the gun owner and he will make his own choices. It is a sweet gun and he shoots it extremely well but is finding that with our very recent change to steel shot the 2 3/4" loads dont have enough grunt to knock those mallards down at any sort of distance , unlike lead .
Point taken on the barrel swap - likely cost will prevent that happening.
Thanks again , appreciate your reply .
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13 October 2006, 19:01
RandyWakemanSteel shot in Kiwi-land--? That's a pity; I was hoping your government would have learned by our mistakes.
Still, you have no snakes and Steinlager.
14 October 2006, 04:21
muzzaYup - couple of years ago it was introduced. The joys of living in a "dimocracy" led by lesbians and tree huggers , and having a Fish and Game organisation that are more into political pointscoring than doing anything much for the sportsman.
Real men drink Tui or Speights Gold here - Steinlager is a yuppie city-boy beverage like latte and those other soft-cock things city folk sip on ... ;-)
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14 October 2006, 05:26
Rich SA 11-87 unless its a trap or skeet model should already be chambered 3".
15 October 2006, 02:16
muzzaIts a Premier Trap model .
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31 December 2006, 01:23
trans-pondSo are you saying it is not likely to bulge the barrel if the cartridge is longer than the chamber? I have a 2 3/4 " 1100 and bought a box of 3" steel shells in error; do you guys reckon it not unsafe to shoot them through the shorter chamber?
31 December 2006, 04:10
RandyWakemanYes, it
is unsafe to shoot 3 in. shells through a 2-3/4 in. chamber.
01 January 2007, 00:46
TBEAR99quote:
Originally posted by trans-pond:
So are you saying it is not likely to bulge the barrel if the cartridge is longer than the chamber? I have a 2 3/4 " 1100 and bought a box of 3" steel shells in error; do you guys reckon it not unsafe to shoot them through the shorter chamber?
not safe at all bring shells back and exchange or trade with hunting buddy
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01 January 2007, 05:30
RJLquote:
latte and those other soft-cock things city folk sip on ...
Now that is funny!!