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Newly exposed documents unequivocally demonstrate that Exxon’s own modeling showed that fossil fuels were causing global warming and that it was significant. You poor simple-minded sad sacks bought hook, line and sinker, Exxon’s hired “scientists’”public narrative. | ||
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Dude, it's been said before, anyone can influence a computer and the program modeling outcome by the data entered. Very simple to do. Humans cannot be trusted. Just saw recently that WHALES are dying in unusual numbers and it is now believed that wind turbines have contributed to this. Creepy 'conservationists' are wringing hands big time right now. Not only do these things chop eagles and hawks to bits they make whales die. Still can't recycle the parts either. The shit show never ends.  ~Ann   | |||
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They're saying now that the warming ocean is responsible for Chinook salmon and Alaskan crab failure. I've been in Dillingham for more than a couple decades, when I got here the fishing for kings was catching, not fishing. You could loose 30#er after 30#er and not care because there's be another one on in a couple minutes. These days I don't even try because they're not there. It's very sad. I don't know why their gone, but I know it ain't my fault, the spawning habitat here is pristine and unchanged. | |||
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So the Nushagak lost most of its kings too. I fished there a few times, and my son shot a moose there. King salmon have practically disappeared from the Kenai, Talkeetna, and other rivers in Southcentral that used to produce good runs. | |||
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Must be wind turbines. Listen to Ann: Ain’t got shit to do with GW. | |||
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Very sad. Used to be the reason to live here and now it's gone. | |||
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About as stupid as anything I've ever heard in here. | |||
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Weather changes have been going on throughout history. Only ow some idiots found that can make money out of it. Greta has the brains of a dead rat!  | |||
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Endangered Whales at Risk From Offshore Wind, US Scientist Warns ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Did you expect any sense from so called humans who adopt a whale? And pay monthly for its upkeep? | |||
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What's the predator load on the salmon? Not including human catch. ~Ann | |||
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~Ann | |||
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Ann, not one of us have the capabilities, equipment, time or education to evaluate if in there is global warming and if it is caused by human activity. Given that fact, please share with us who your sources are for making your opinions. Even now, Exxon’s whores are shown to be liars, all for a few bucks. | |||
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Bullshit! There is no such thing as global warming! It has happened several times before. Humans were too busy trying to feed themselves then. Now we have parasites like Greta brain washing us! | |||
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Sorry, for some reason the link did not show. It's not my data, I had heard it mentioned on the radio. Lane also posted a link. I'm just as surprised as everyone else. Maybe there is something to it? https://ocnjdaily.com/six-dead...wind-projects-blame/ ~Ann | |||
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Climate, not weather. And every time the climate changed (nearly) as fast as it does now it was closely correlated with changes in CO2, and led to extinctions of many organisms. We are the source of the increase in CO2, no way to deny that anymore. Will changes in the environment, including extinctions of many organisms bring challenges? You bet. Is that bad? Well, people are not very welcoming to change in general, and have a hard time to adapt, that's one of the biggest challenges. | |||
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What has caused the extinction of species in the past? We’re WE guilty? | |||
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Climate has been changing since this planet formed. Weather is what most people notice. As to people having issues with change, hardly. We are by far the most adaptable creature on the planet by our ability to manipulate our environment. We have spread throughout multiple environmental niches through this. And while we may be a source of CO2, that isn't really the problem. There are a number of confounding variables, so many, we have no clue what they all are. The so called climate scientists keep getting things wrong because we don't know everything. What we do know is that like any system, the planet has a carrying capacity. We can modify it, but that remains fundamentally true. Until we find a way of effectively limiting the number of people, all the climate naziism and "environmentalism" isn't going to do jack all- and in any case, the controls are too unknown to really work. We can certainly reduce CO2 per person production to a limited extent, but at a certain point we will have grazed the pasture to the point where the herd will have a massive die off, triggered by something that ordinarily the population would have survived just fine. Mass die offs (extinction events) have modified predominant life forms on the planet... from an evolutionary perspective, its the most highly specialized that can't deal with changes in their environment. Birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs and are all over today... crocs are still with us... but the most highly specialized dinos are gone. It wasn't CO2 increases that caused this, but rather a change in the environment (meteor strike is the usual proposal for the dinos) and is the CO2 the chicken or the egg? In our current case, is the carbon use by people the cause of the problem or is it any of a number of other things? Personally, I think the pollution of the oceans along with changing of the environmental niches by overharvesting parts of the biomass are more the cause of all of this than just burning things... we have always had large amounts of burning. Big fires, volcanoes, etc. all release huge amounts of CO2 and the earth stabilized it (and probably will, just in ways that are problematic for the current biomass.) So someone like Greta has no clue. The best environmental physicists admit we have no idea what is the fundamental driver of any changes we observe, just that they have a theory that is really impossible to fully experimentally test. Instead of blaming the west (the only area with lowered populations) the real blame lies with the folks who are constantly breeding themselves towards oblivion.
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Mostly it was sudden changes in the environment. And that could be a change of 5-10 degrees over the spaces of a few thousand years (ice-ages for example). Currently we're changing at a rate of ~2 degrees per century. When organisms go extinct it's not just those we don't use or eat, but it will also affect some of those we eat. What if birdflu gets so out of control that chicken and eggs becomeas expensive as caviar? Or salmon economically go extinct, or cod or other fishes? We'll have to adjust, and that will be hard for everybody, and impossible for many. | |||
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Protection of marine mammals have really succeeded in some cases. Seals and sea lions have exploded. They say killer whales have learned to really whack salmon. I think the truth is the salmon smolt disappear into the deep blue sea and are a mystery. It's not a question that they aren't returning to spawn. Where are the millions of Alaskan crab? Over predation seems unlikely. | |||
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Humans are migrating towards the poles, like everything else, while arguing about the reasons. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Scott, your salmon smolt are dying off because the ocean is too warm “Contemporary studies based on acoustically tagged fish reaffirmed older observations that Chinook Salmon smolts must transit the Delta before water temperature reaches 20°C or mortality will be nearly 100%. Striped Bass attack rates on tethered smolts were insensitive to distance from shore and water temperature, whereas Largemouth Bass attack rates were highest near shorelines in warm water, supporting the temporal aspect of the hypothesis. Whether the combined effects of the two predators produce an MPE remains unconfirmed due to limitations on quantifying salmon behavior.“ | |||
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Alaska is a good indicator of climate change. Over the years that I've been there and fished there the water temps have changed for the warmer, perhaps 1 to 1.5 degrees, in the summer. My experience has been exclusively in the SE region. That may not seem like much, but it changes the ecosystem a lot. For example, the rock fish are more prevalent. When trolling for salmon it's difficult to keep them off the hook. Another indicator is the jellyfish. Nasty buggers. They slime the trolling rigs. One has to be careful in taking a piss after clearing the lines of the jellyfish slime. In the last few years I have been targeting rock fish, the blacks and duskeys. I've caught so many salmon and halibut that I'm bored with them. I tie my own sabiki rig and catch several at a time. The limit is five per day, which is easy. But I often fish two tides, and clean fish in-between and the captain's catch too. My goal is to load the freezer and enjoy for the winter. I know climate change is real, and the evidence is real. Deal with it. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Killer whales have been eating salmon for hunderds of thousands of years, if no millions of years, so have seals and sea lions. Sea lions and seal populations were greatly reduced in the past by people, but before that were as high or even higher than now. What has hurt salmon in many places has been damming of rivers, and in all places changes in the environment, like warming water. | |||
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I would be interested to know the effect of factory fishing has on the salmon and crab harvest. We have no control over other country's fishing fleets. Salmon populations could be being decimated at sea before they have a chance to make it to our rivers. | |||
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Factory trawlers scooping the ocean clean has been a common suspicion. | |||
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Japanese long liners have decimated other fisheries as well.... . | |||
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Recently I discovered the source for the change in terms from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change". https://www.theguardian.com/en...usnews.climatechange Funny how many deniers herein accused the environmentalists for the change, AND often used the slogan "climate has always been changing". ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Study: U.S. freshwater fish 'significant' source of 'forever chemicals' in blood https://www.floridatoday.com/s...n-blood/69809022007/ https://www.stcroix360.com/202...s-water-for-a-month/ PFAS found at high levels in freshwater fish, with most concern for vulnerable communities. EWG found the median amounts of PFAS in freshwater fish were an astounding 280 times greater than forever chemicals detected in some commercially caught and sold fish. The testing data, from the Environmental Protection Agency and Food and Drug Administration, showed that consuming a single meal of freshwater fish could lead to similarPFAS exposure as ingesting store-bought fish every day for a year. “People who consume freshwater fish, especially those who catch and eat fish regularly, are at risk of alarming levels of PFAS in their bodies,” said David Andrews, Ph.D., EWG senior scientist and one of the study’s lead authors. “Growing up, I went fishing every week and ate those fish. But now when I see fish, all I think about is PFAS contamination.” “These test results are breathtaking,” said Scott Faber, EWG’s senior vice president for government affairs. “Eating one bass is equivalent to drinking PFOS-tainted water for a month.” Consumption of PFOS-contaminated freshwater fish can cause significant increases in peoples’ blood serum levels of the forever chemical, creating potential health risks. Even infrequent consumption of freshwater fish can raise PFOS levels in the body. “The extent that PFAS has contaminated fish is staggering”, said Nadia Barbo, a graduate student at Duke University and lead researcher on this project. “There should be a single health protective fish consumption advisory for freshwater fish across the country.” https://www.ewg.org/news-insig...quals-month-drinking https://phys.org/news/2023-01-...h-month-tainted.html Eating one wild fish same as month of drinking tainted water: study https://www.google.com/search?...nt=gws-wiz-serp#ip=1 =============================================== https://www.google.com/search?...nt=gws-wiz-serp#ip=1 =============================================== https://dph.georgia.gov/enviro...nsumption-guidelines Fish Consumption Guidelines from Georgia waters Note the area recommended for one meal per month And the recommendations seem to not have been revised since 2008. There are the general downloads which were updated in 2021. To understand these and actually use them to decide where to go fishing is difficult and certainly requires knowledge of the geography of the state. Then there's the question of trusting them. None of them, as far as I can see, mention PFAS chemicals. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Well, I think my worst suspicions have been realized. Just got back from Sam's Club where I saw a package of "Krab Bites"-surimi. The distributor was out of Washington state. Contents listed in order as: north pacific pollock, king crab, and snow crab. That means they are dragging the bottom and scooping up everything. If they have figured out a way to locate salmon at sea, they are likely wiping them out as well. | |||
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In my estimation, there are millions of tons of catfish in the rivers and lakes all across the US. Mostly toxic from pollution. Just imagine how many people those fish would feed if clean, and they are a renewable resource. And that's just one species. I've never heard of catfish being over fished. Just imagine all the redneck swampers who would be gainfully employed running trotlines, something they like to do anyway, if the resource was viable for market? And the collateral benefits from all that would be enormous, and practically impossible to estimate economically from the perspective of today. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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