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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by wymple:
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Two strongest years of job growth in history
More than 40 million borrowers stand to benefit from student debt relief
Nearly 11 million jobs created since 2021
Taken over 100 actions to lower household energy costs by $100 per year
Helped bring gas prices down more than $1.60 from their summer 2022 peak
Signed the most significant gun violence prevention legislation in nearly 30 years
Increased the maximum value of Pell Grants by $900
3.5% unemployment rate — the lowest in 50 years
750,000 new manufacturing jobs
Near a record low unemployment rate for Hispanics
Near a record low unemployment rate for African-Americans
Record low unemployment rate for people with disabilities
Millions of Americans are saving $800 per year on health insurance coverage
$15 minimum wage for Federal workers and contractors
Fully vaccinated 79% of American adults against COVID-19
Led the world in a historic release of strategic reserves
Infrastructure investments in all 50 states, D.C., territories, and throughout Tribal nations
Over 16 million households receiving lower cost or free high-speed internet through the Affordable Connectivity Program

Don’t believe a word of it!

Manufactured by liers to brain wash the brainless!

Saeed,
wymple is a special kind of stupid

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Originally posted by Scott King:

You and I can have a reasonable conversation, let's leave trump out of it for a minute. I didn't vote for trump ever, won't ever and think he was a failure as president.

As president, regardless what anyone did before him, Biden should have had successes, that's why he was elected.

I don't know how Exactly, and neither did anyone else because Afghanistan was and is a quagmire. The withdrawal was botched, no argument at all, my point is that was predetermined long ago, it would have happened no matter who was POTUS. No, Afghanistan wasn't, and like any war it was winnable. , but Biden should have succeeded in Afghanistan and not surrendered all to the Taliban he's Commander in Chief, he's got good officers working for him, come up with a plan and execute.

Homeless? Again, think of something. I favor the idea of open camps. If found to be living on the street, you are packed up and moved to the open camp. Hot meals, clean dry bed, warm showers. Open doors and gates, free to come and go as you please, but if caught back out camping on the street you are returned to camp over and over and over. If I can afford to loose billions and billions in the Middle East I can certainly afford to loose some $'s domestically. Fine! Sure! Build some new mental health facilities. All we need for a solution like that is a willing legislature and revamped civil liberty laws. Maybe rebuild our hollowed out post WWII economy, and get the junkies off the junk while we are at....all sounds great but we have a Congress that can't agree on ANYTHING, let alone funding mental health care and homelessness. The cost of housing is certainly a factor as well, houses on my street have increased in value four fold in the last 25 years. Starter homes in the area are 3/4 of million dollars, apartments 2K plus a month. Biden is no different than his predecessors and those that follow will be no different either, I suggest the problem may be larger than a POTUS alone can address. So replace Congress or elect an Executive that can lead.

Haiti is a national security threat as is our southern border and should be secured. It genuinely perplexes me that we can saber rattle and cheer for another military excursion into another "Foreign Entanglement" way "Over There" and ho hum at a failed state in our hemisphere. Mexico and Haiti should be contained. In Haiti I would send the Marines, (again,) on the beach at this date, secure the Capital at this date, the cessation of all major hostilities at this date, no exceptions, and no, The Marines are not a Peacekeeping force. I see Ukraine as a much larger deal. Quite a few comparisons going around now suggesting Putin's behavior is not very different from Hitler's in the pre-WWII period. Things could easily go far beyond Ukraine, I see this is a much greater threat than Haiti. I would not send the troops but rather let them work it out amongst themselves in Haiti. Ok, but Vlad still has not lived up to the hype.

DPRK should be constantly engaged diplomatically. This Hermit Kingdom business is a mistake and no, it's not give and take, it's like minding toddlers, persistence in negotiations, bribery, logic and fairytales. Walling off DPRK for decades obviously hasn't worked. I think you read DPRK wrong, like Putin, appeasement will never work there. They respect one thing and one thing only, strength. Coddling up to them only buys them time to continue to build their illegal weapons. I never said or thought appeasement.

Biden was an abject failure with Corona. Mask mandates, social distancing and massive bail outs were obviously a mistake and by the time Biden took office it was obvious. Our school kids are still suffering the effects of school shut downs. The only mask mandate I dealt with under Biden was the Airlines. I'm not so sure the bailouts were a failure, we faired far better than countries who did not do them and better than the 2009 economic crisis, most economists agree that the bailouts were the right thing to do. Hindsight is 2020, we may have over reacted on Covid but so did the whole damn world. I think the response in the USA was fairly moderate when compared to other Western nations, far milder the Europe, Australia, New Zealand XChina and many others. Perfect? Of course not, but I do not see that as much different as most of the world. You probably know better than I.

Like you said Steve, Biden has not been a great president, and I think that's what we need. I think these are trying times, the lesser of two evils isn't gonna cut it.

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Exactly, and neither did anyone else because Afghanistan was and is a quagmire. The withdrawal was botched, no argument at all, my point is that was predetermined long ago, it would have happened no matter who was POTUS. No, Afghanistan wasn't, and like any war it was winnable. We struggle to win the peace Scott, the US spent 20 years "Nation Building" in a place where cavemen do not want to evolve. Four US Presidents oversaw that mess, with little to no change in two decades. It was long past time to go home. I had no problems at all going after OBL, he needed to die, staying on after achieving clearly outlined military goals was the problem. Many Americans, myself included, wanted our troops home. I completely agree the pullout was botched, I feel that after Doha it was bound to be a mess.

All we need for a solution like that is a willing legislature and revamped civil liberty laws. Maybe rebuild our hollowed out post WWII economy, and get the junkies off the junk while we are at....all sounds great but we have a Congress that can't agree on ANYTHING, let alone funding mental health care and homelessness. The cost of housing is certainly a factor as well, houses on my street have increased in value four fold in the last 25 years. Starter homes in the area are 3/4 of million dollars, apartments 2K plus a month. Biden is no different than his predecessors and those that follow will be no different either, I suggest the problem may be larger than a POTUS alone can address. So replace Congress or elect an Executive that can lead. I vote regularly in an attempt to improve our representatives "replace Congress" sounds great but I am seeing little positive results in that area. The homeless issue is pretty complex, we do not build enough homes here, that is private enterprise for the most part and not Government domain. How do you convince builders to build more affordable units? The local Government here has been struggling with the issue for years. High interest rates are not helping but the Fed sets those not the POTUS and the high rates are needed to combat inflation. As I said above, I believe many of these issues are related to globalization and outside of what a President is able to tackle. I would love to see manufacturing return to America but from what I see it will look much different than before, smaller scale, higher tech, more R&D than production. We lack jobs that pay a living wage for low/unskilled workers and I believe that is a major factor in the homeless situation.

Haiti is a national security threat as is our southern border and should be secured. It genuinely perplexes me that we can saber rattle and cheer for another military excursion into another "Foreign Entanglement" way "Over There" and ho hum at a failed state in our hemisphere. Mexico and Haiti should be contained. In Haiti I would send the Marines, (again,) on the beach at this date, secure the Capital at this date, the cessation of all major hostilities at this date, no exceptions, and no, The Marines are not a Peacekeeping force. I see Ukraine as a much larger deal. Quite a few comparisons going around now suggesting Putin's behavior is not very different from Hitler's in the pre-WWII period. Things could easily go far beyond Ukraine, I see this is a much greater threat than Haiti. I would not send the troops but rather let them work it out amongst themselves in Haiti. Ok, but Vlad still has not lived up to the hype. I do not think he needs to live up to the hype, just grind down Ukraine and hope the GOP stymies funding long enough for him to eke out a win. It does not need to be pretty to be effective.

DPRK should be constantly engaged diplomatically. This Hermit Kingdom business is a mistake and no, it's not give and take, it's like minding toddlers, persistence in negotiations, bribery, logic and fairytales. Walling off DPRK for decades obviously hasn't worked. I think you read DPRK wrong, like Putin, appeasement will never work there. They respect one thing and one thing only, strength. Coddling up to them only buys them time to continue to build their illegal weapons. I never said or thought appeasement.

Biden was an abject failure with Corona. Mask mandates, social distancing and massive bail outs were obviously a mistake and by the time Biden took office it was obvious. Our school kids are still suffering the effects of school shut downs. The only mask mandate I dealt with under Biden was the Airlines. I'm not so sure the bailouts were a failure, we faired far better than countries who did not do them and better than the 2009 economic crisis, most economists agree that the bailouts were the right thing to do. Hindsight is 2020, we may have over reacted on Covid but so did the whole damn world. I think the response in the USA was fairly moderate when compared to other Western nations, far milder the Europe, Australia, New Zealand XChina and many others. Perfect? Of course not, but I do not see that as much different as most of the world. You probably know better than I. just one guys opinion.

Like you said Steve, Biden has not been a great president, and I think that's what we need. I think these are trying times, the lesser of two evils isn't gonna cut it.