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03 April 2025, 20:29
MJines
"Full-on crazy"
. . . not just Trump, but his brainless sycophants as well.

Full-on crazy Nobel winning economist aghast at Trump's tariffs and wildly false claims

'Full-on crazy': Nobel-winning economist aghast at Trump's tariffs and wildly false claims
Story by Matthew Chapman
MARKETS TODAY

Nobel Prize-winning economist turned political commentator Paul Krugman was completely aghast at President Donald Trump's new round of so-called "Liberation Day" tariffs, which impose new import taxes ranging from 10 to 49 percent on essentially every country's imports — and even a handful of random, remote islands with tiny populations and negligible trade with the United States.

"Based on what he said, he’s gone full-on crazy," wrote Krugman, a frequent critic of the president. "It’s not just that he appears to be imposing much higher tariffs than almost anyone expected. He’s also making false claims about our trading partners — not sure in this case whether they’re lies, because he may be truly ignorant — that will both enrage them and make it very hard to back down. Basically, he’s claiming that the rest of the world is placing very high tariffs on U.S. products, and that he’s imposing 'reciprocal' tariffs that are only half what they impose on us."

But that's not actually true, he continued, with many of the numbers in Trump's graph of countries' tariff rates complete fabrications — including the supposed 39 percent tariff the European Union places on U.S. goods.

"The EU, like the United States, has generally low tariffs; the average tariff it charges on US goods is less than 3 percent," wrote Krugman. "So where does this 39 percent number come from? I have no idea. Many people speculated that Trump would count value-added taxes as tariffs, even though they aren’t — European producers selling to the EU market pay the same VAT as US producers, so it doesn’t discriminate and therefore isn’t protectionist. But even if you get that wrong, EU VAT rates are in the vicinity of 20 percent, so you still can’t get anywhere close to 39 percent."

Even when people try to correct Trump, though, Krugman said, he's certain to continue with his falsehoods.

"I don’t know how many people noticed, but he’s still claiming that we’re subsidizing Canada by $200 billion a year. Aside from the basic mistake of claiming that a Canadian trade surplus means that we’re somehow subsidizing Canada, he’s inflating the actual trade surplus by a factor of three. Many, many people have pointed out the error, but Trump is sticking with it, the same way Musk is sticking with the millions of dead Social Security beneficiaries thing."

Ultimately, Krugman concluded, "If you had any hopes that Trump would step back from the brink, this announcement, between the very high tariff rates and the complete falsehoods about what other countries do, should kill them."


Mike
03 April 2025, 20:37
HerrBerg
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
. . . not just Trump, but his brainless sycophants as well.

Full-on crazy Nobel winning economist aghast at Trump's tariffs and wildly false claims

'Full-on crazy': Nobel-winning economist aghast at Trump's tariffs and wildly false claims
Story by Matthew Chapman
MARKETS TODAY

Nobel Prize-winning economist turned political commentator Paul Krugman was completely aghast at President Donald Trump's new round of so-called "Liberation Day" tariffs, which impose new import taxes ranging from 10 to 49 percent on essentially every country's imports — and even a handful of random, remote islands with tiny populations and negligible trade with the United States.

"Based on what he said, he’s gone full-on crazy," wrote Krugman, a frequent critic of the president. "It’s not just that he appears to be imposing much higher tariffs than almost anyone expected. He’s also making false claims about our trading partners — not sure in this case whether they’re lies, because he may be truly ignorant — that will both enrage them and make it very hard to back down. Basically, he’s claiming that the rest of the world is placing very high tariffs on U.S. products, and that he’s imposing 'reciprocal' tariffs that are only half what they impose on us."

But that's not actually true, he continued, with many of the numbers in Trump's graph of countries' tariff rates complete fabrications — including the supposed 39 percent tariff the European Union places on U.S. goods.

"The EU, like the United States, has generally low tariffs; the average tariff it charges on US goods is less than 3 percent," wrote Krugman. "So where does this 39 percent number come from? I have no idea. Many people speculated that Trump would count value-added taxes as tariffs, even though they aren’t — European producers selling to the EU market pay the same VAT as US producers, so it doesn’t discriminate and therefore isn’t protectionist. But even if you get that wrong, EU VAT rates are in the vicinity of 20 percent, so you still can’t get anywhere close to 39 percent."

Even when people try to correct Trump, though, Krugman said, he's certain to continue with his falsehoods.

"I don’t know how many people noticed, but he’s still claiming that we’re subsidizing Canada by $200 billion a year. Aside from the basic mistake of claiming that a Canadian trade surplus means that we’re somehow subsidizing Canada, he’s inflating the actual trade surplus by a factor of three. Many, many people have pointed out the error, but Trump is sticking with it, the same way Musk is sticking with the millions of dead Social Security beneficiaries thing."

Ultimately, Krugman concluded, "If you had any hopes that Trump would step back from the brink, this announcement, between the very high tariff rates and the complete falsehoods about what other countries do, should kill them."


He's had 4 years to seek out the best sycophants your country has to offer.


Write hard and clear about what hurts
-E. Hemingway
03 April 2025, 20:43
MJines
Phonetically "sycophants" pretty well describes his loyalists.


Mike
03 April 2025, 21:04
tomahawker
Just a few more posts and maybe you can make something happen. Even if the first few hundred didn’t have an impact. Don’t give up. You got this
03 April 2025, 21:10
MJines
. . . and right on cue a suck-u-phant shows up. They have learned to respond so well to dog whistles.


Mike
03 April 2025, 21:41
TomP
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
Phonetically "sycophants" pretty well describes his loyalists.


Psychophants.


TomP

Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.

Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)
03 April 2025, 21:58
Tumbleweed
quote:
Originally posted by tomahawker:
Just a few more posts and maybe you can make something happen. Even if the first few hundred didn’t have an impact. Don’t give up. You got this


So tell us, please, as a staunch supporter of Donald Trump. How exactly are these tariffs going to “make America great again”?

In your own words, how do tariffs work, and who pays the price for them?

You’ve had a few fires down there lately. A few floods, a few tornadoes - it seems to me there’s some rebuilding to do. Where do you think the price of lumber is headed? The price of aluminum siding and shingles? The price of cars and trucks?

It’s not really going to bother us all that much, past the first few months. We’re already heavy into deals with Europe and Asia, and I can assure you that after the U.S. has broken trust with us to this extent, that the shift will be permanent. Meanwhile, virtually the entire planet is establishing boycotts on U.S. goods. With the exception of Russia, of course. Roll Eyes
You should be getting your Lada flyers in the mail any day now.

I’d really like your objective view on that.
03 April 2025, 22:06
tomahawker
Posting endlessly on the internet is full on crazy. I’m not going to pretend any of this matters. Big kiss
03 April 2025, 22:08
Tumbleweed
quote:
Originally posted by tomahawker:
Posting endlessly on the internet is full on crazy. I’m not going to pretend any of this matters. Big kiss

Yeah, that’s a typical MAGAT response, alright… Big Grin..no reason or logic required.
03 April 2025, 22:19
MJines
Confronted with the need to craft an argument . . . time to cut and run. MAGAt SOP.


Mike
03 April 2025, 22:30
ANTELOPEDUNDEE
quote:
Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
quote:
Originally posted by tomahawker:
Just a few more posts and maybe you can make something happen. Even if the first few hundred didn’t have an impact. Don’t give up. You got this


So tell us, please, as a staunch supporter of Donald Trump. How exactly are these tariffs going to “make America great again”?

In your own words, how do tariffs work, and who pays the price for them?

You’ve had a few fires down there lately. A few floods, a few tornadoes - it seems to me there’s some rebuilding to do. Where do you think the price of lumber is headed? The price of aluminum siding and shingles? The price of cars and trucks?

It’s not really going to bother us all that much, past the first few months. We’re already heavy into deals with Europe and Asia, and I can assure you that after the U.S. has broken trust with us to this extent, that the shift will be permanent. Meanwhile, virtually the entire planet is establishing boycotts on U.S. goods. With the exception of Russia, of course. Roll Eyes
You should be getting your Lada flyers in the mail any day now.

I’d really like your objective view on that.


For years and years and years Americans have complained about the quality of American made vehiles, hence the popularity of imports. IMO he worst thing about an American made vehicle is that an American owns/owned it.


Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit.
04 April 2025, 00:00
Penetrater
I hear that Canada is thinking about making the ALCAN Highway a Toll Road,, ya know that road that is the only way to get to Alaska overland,, really glad tRump only pissed off Canada, oh,,,right ,,Yesterday,,
04 April 2025, 00:15
medved
quote:
Originally posted by Penetrater:
I hear that Canada is thinking about making the ALCAN Highway a Toll Road,, ya know that road that is the only way to get to Alaska overland,, really glad tRump only pissed off Canada, oh,,,right ,,Yesterday,,


of course toll is coming ... alaska has not paid for the committments on using this road which is mostly only used after haines junction by people going to alaska and now the tariffs. as i have said earlier a tariffs war is not a win win situation but some will pay more than others ... it is time to make the barges ready for the summer ...