Text of the Indictment of President Trump

05 April 2023, 02:16

LHeym500

PDF provided by Politico

Only 16 pages
34 Felonies
One for each fraudulent filing made in in New York.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id...00-a3d7-4d9f97b40000

05 April 2023, 05:21

LHeym500

Just do the Faction cannot ignore it.

05 April 2023, 06:45

lavaca

If someone blackmails someone by threatening to reveal compromising information about them, and the blackmailed person succumbs to the threat and pays off the blackmailer, who is the victim? The one who made the extortion payment apparently IF they are a Republican.

And then if the blackmailer renigs on the deal and makes everything public after accepting the money, when have they not committed a crime? When its serves Democrat political purposes apparently.

This is the biggest crock I've ever seen.

05 April 2023, 06:53

LHeym500

Except he was not blackmailed. You just made that up.

President Trump is alleged to voluntarily falsified tax filings to with the intent to commit another crime 34 times.

05 April 2023, 07:56

JudgeG

Add in that Stormy has signed a sworn affidavit that she never had sex with Trump and Cohen was convicted of lying about exactly what the DA wants to prove through his testimony and ….

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:

This is the biggest crock I've ever seen.

If you just have to get Trump, I’m sure that there is a charge that’s a bit less whole cloth.
Maybe he’s the Big Guy getting the 10% from Hunter?

05 April 2023, 08:07

LHeym500

Again, there is no doubt Cohen is backed up by tangible evidence.

Also, Cohen was convicted of making the payment as well as lying.

I do not believe an insurance defense lawyer is a Criminal Law pro who just lied about President Trump being blackmailed.

05 April 2023, 23:25

Mike Mitchell

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
If someone blackmails someone by threatening to reveal compromising information about them, and the blackmailed person succumbs to the threat and pays off the blackmailer, who is the victim? The one who made the extortion payment apparently IF they are a Republican.

And then if the blackmailer renigs on the deal and makes everything public after accepting the money, when have they not committed a crime? When its serves Democrat political purposes apparently.

This is the biggest crock I've ever seen.

Right. I mean, I guess you could think about not putting yourself in the position where you could be blackmailed because of cheating on your wife with a porn star, right?

But, that wouldn't be fair to your boy, would it?

05 April 2023, 23:32

Mike Mitchell

quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
Add in that Stormy has signed a sworn affidavit that she never had sex with Trump and Cohen was convicted of lying about exactly what the DA wants to prove through his testimony and ….

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:

This is the biggest crock I've ever seen.

If you just have to get Trump, I’m sure that there is a charge that’s a bit less whole cloth.
Maybe he’s the Big Guy getting the 10% from Hunter?

Bullshit. She never signed any such affidavit.

05 April 2023, 23:50

nute

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
If someone blackmails someone by threatening to reveal compromising information about them, and the blackmailed person succumbs to the threat and pays off the blackmailer, who is the victim? The one who made the extortion payment apparently IF they are a Republican.

And then if the blackmailer renigs on the deal and makes everything public after accepting the money, when have they not committed a crime? When its serves Democrat political purposes apparently.

This is the biggest crock I've ever seen.

Did he not also pay a former playboy model hush money too? Were Daniels and her both blackmailing him? Were they both ganging up on the poor little defenceless orange windbag?

Of course the above is so much more likely than Trump deciding to run for prez and trying to silence them with NDA’s and big fat payments…

06 April 2023, 00:08

JudgeG

https://www.factcheck.org/2023...with-trump-is-a-lie/

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
Add in that Stormy has signed a sworn affidavit that she never had sex with Trump and Cohen was convicted of lying about exactly what the DA wants to prove through his testimony and ….

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:

This is the biggest crock I've ever seen.

If you just have to get Trump, I’m sure that there is a charge that’s a bit less whole cloth.
Maybe he’s the Big Guy getting the 10% from Hunter?

Bullshit. She never signed any such affidavit.

06 April 2023, 00:21

DuggaBoye

You really think the rich Dem donors want her on the stand to be cross examined ?

"Ms.Daniels have other politicians or buisness people paid you for silence?
Please state those names.

Have other politicians or buisness people paid you for sex?
Please state those names? "

ad infinitum

06 April 2023, 00:43

bluefish

Is Bragg attempting to enforce federal election laws or state election laws which dont seem to apply to presidential elections? I'm confused.

06 April 2023, 04:25

RolandtheHeadless

quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
https://www.factcheck.org/2023...with-trump-is-a-lie/

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
Add in that Stormy has signed a sworn affidavit that she never had sex with Trump and Cohen was convicted of lying about exactly what the DA wants to prove through his testimony and ….

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:

This is the biggest crock I've ever seen.

If you just have to get Trump, I’m sure that there is a charge that’s a bit less whole cloth.
Maybe he’s the Big Guy getting the 10% from Hunter?

Bullshit. She never signed any such affidavit.

Mike wins.

We have a judge who doesn't know the difference between an affidavit and a letter.

Go on, "Judge." Read your FactCheck article again.

06 April 2023, 19:15

JudgeG

There are verified or sworn pleadings by Stormy both ways.

06 April 2023, 21:44

LHeym500

I do not see the sex or lack thereof bring relevant as proof of the crimes charged and criminal scheme. If she is called for a witness for perjury; yes.

07 April 2023, 00:38

crbutler

If nothing happened, why would Trump pay? Trump paid, assuming that the information is right.

I would think if Daniels is being quoted both ways it leads to some question as to the underlying motives of the payout and thus makes the crime coverup claimed a bit more difficult to prove, no?

07 April 2023, 01:35

JudgeG

I certainly don’t know NY law, but I’d imagine that her reputation for honesty and veracity would be an issue, particularly on cross. I’m not sure how Bragg could avoid her testifying. The purpose of any payment seems to be an element of the condition precedent to the charged crimes. No sex would mean Stormy was only an extortionist and Trump was a victim. No illicit sex, nothing to hide and the false documentation is reduced to misdemeanor level.

All this is semi-informed speculation and has the value of the rapidly cooling coffee I’m drinking.

07 April 2023, 01:36

LHeym500

I did not say the sex did not happen.

For the charges the payments are relevant. The sex does not have to be proved.

07 April 2023, 01:38

LHeym500

quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
I certainly don’t know NY law, but I’d imagine that her reputation for honesty and veracity would be an issue, particularly on cross. I’m not sure how Bragg could avoid her testifying. The purpose of any payment seems to be an element of the condition precedent to the charged crimes. No sex would mean Stormy was only an extortionist and Trump was a victim. No illicit sex, nothing to hide and the false documentation is reduced to misdemeanor level.

All this is semi-informed speculation and has the value of the rapidly cooling coffee I’m drinking.

You and I agree, but that is not the same as having to prove the sex act.

The easiest to get the various alleged inconsistencies about the act is for purposes of perjury.

I am guessing the prosecution will not call her. That particular payment appears undisputed.

07 April 2023, 05:07

JTEX

quote:
The easiest to get the various alleged inconsistencies about the act is for purposes of perjury.

I am guessing the prosecution will not call her. That particular payment appears undisputed.

Ill bet that the defense calls her......especially if she "swore" both ways....

I would also think that the defense will,have a ball with Cohen.

You have an obvious agenda, as does lil mikey.....but this is a little bit of a farce...

We will,see!

07 April 2023, 06:15

LHeym500

I do not think they will. The sex or lack their if does not matter. What matters are the payments and was the intent to benefit the campaign.

07 April 2023, 16:03

bluefish

And the evidence of intent to benefit the campaign, subject to satisfaction of the legal standard, is what again?

07 April 2023, 16:31

LHeym500

The trial and jury will tell us.

The prosecution on this matter is not going to and is not allowed to comment on this prosecution to the public.

To do do would create a mandatory mistrial.

The rules on public comment are very restrictive and very strict. As the pleadings are filed you can read those. That is how prosecution speaks on these issues.

Defense attorneys have much more leeway to talk outside of Court.

07 April 2023, 17:35

bluefish

And yet others have passed on the issues alleged previously even going so far as to say no crime here. Any trial lawyer knows you don't ask questions on cross you don't know the answer to and second, as the old saying goes, you can indict a ham sandwich. So, why when others passed it over do you suppose old Bragg would do this?

07 April 2023, 18:24

LHeym500

And yet that state prosecutor said he wax orders to stand down.

AG Garland has n authority to enforce this New York State law theory of the case.

President Trump is innocent as you and I right now. The jury will decide te facts, the Judge will provide til he law to be applied to the facts and rule on evidence.

In KY a Judge does not have the right to dismiss an indictment by Grand Jury for lack of probable cause over objection.

A KY Judge can rule on probable cause for evidentiary issues which can kill a case.

The Appellate Courts will review the legal determinations of the Judge overseeing this trial. The Appellate Curt’s will not substitute its judgment for the factual findings of the jury.

That is why the conviction or acquittal of President Trump is secondary to the legal due process.

So far no one can claim the due process given has been insufficient or incorrect.