I repeat- 2 days in office and orange Jesus has already blatantly violated the Constitution. Even his syncophants admit it. It’s going to be a long 4 years at this rate.

I love the fact that he took on 14th. Makes sense to most to do something about that particular nonsense

But for the 14th Amendment a state could take your Federally protected rights just like Trump is trying to do.

What guy are complaining about applies directly to you. You are a citizen, a United States citizen, with rights regardless of where you stand in the nation simply by being born here.

Not too long ago, that was not a legal truth and a state legislature could do just about anything you.

You are the nonsense.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
I love the fact that he took on 14th. Makes sense to most to do something about that particular nonsense

Yeah, let's do something about the federal right to keep and bear arms. The 14th Amendment is what keeps state legislatures from taking your guns.

The Bill of Rights was never originally intended to create a basic level of citizenship protection by the Federal Government against the actions of state legislatures.

I have given the caselaw in that multiple times.

The 14th Amendment was the greatest thing to happen to individual liberty. It is because of the 14th Amendment a state nir Federal government cannot deny my citizenship. My right la as a Citizen of the United States.

What the 14th Amendment intent was, was to create a bedrock of rights that one has as a citizen that cannot be taken away by majorities in legislatures.

The question becomes what are those rights?


Thus, regardless of where you stand in the United States you have onset incorporated right.

original intent of 14th ammendment provides citizenship to people who came here as permanent residents and exixting slaves.

people who come here just to register american citizens for future use and return to their country of origin are despicable.

my people arrived here in 1670 and we still welcome newcomers who arrive with good will and a desire to become a part of something extrodinary

The 14th Amendment applies to us all.

Us all? Not if we’re anchor babies according to Senator Howard who was the floor leader in the Senate for the adoption of the 14th.

“I do not propose to say anything on that subject,” Howard said, (in a speech to the Senate when soliciting votes..… my addition in parentheses)except that the question of citizenship has been so fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.
The original drafts did not include the qualifying language “subject to the jurisdiction “. It was put there for a reason.

I was wrong. There is an original intent argument after all.

I don’t know if foreign diplomats children have been included or excluded as citizens if born here. Might what happened to them give us a clue.


https://americanmind.org/salvo...thright-citizenship/

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The 14th Amendment applies to us all.

All of us sho are subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution (and that has been litigated) born in the US.

This man knows better. He just does not care dnd uses his position to mislead for politics.

I read somewhere that if my neighbors cow broke my fence and had calf on my property, it is still not mine…

Yeah, and if people were cows, you still would not have a point

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Yeah, and if people were cows, you still would not have a point

It's actually a good point and perfect analogy.

Here is why it is not.

People have rights. The Constitution sets those rights.

The Constitution as amended by the 14th Amendment settled this issue way back in 1868.

Cows do not have rights protected by the Constitution as citizens.

Still bad precedent and results are that pregnant women sneak in for anchor and therefore I don’t agree with that

The result is those, including you, that a born where the United States has jurisdiction cannot be stripped of their citizenship by a legislature.

I cannot think of a better application of the Constitution through the 14th Amendment.

If we use the rest articulated by Alito during confirmation hearings about when precedent will not be distributed, the precedent should stand. News flash, it will.

At least, this EO will be voided by the Court.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Still bad precedent and results are that pregnant women sneak in for anchor and therefore I don’t agree with that

If you don't agree with what the Constitution says, go start a movement for a Constitutional amendment.

Again, M Shy would have plenty to say if Heller, McDondald, and New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., were void w sn Executive Order.

He would be right to do so.

This is tyranny. This is a real abuse of power. A president using a constitutional power in a means that is not permitted by the Constitution.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Again, M Shy would have plenty to say if Heller, McDondald, and New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., were void w sn Executive Order.

He would be right to do so.

This is tyranny. This is a real abuse of power. A president using a constitutional power in a means that is not permitted by the Constitution.

Well, we disagree

The grass is blue right?