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If you want to bitch about Pelosi, tell me what she says here that isn't the truth.

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Originally posted by bluefish:
I know it's barely noon but I will nominate this for dumbest post of the day. Day drinking again?

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Originally posted by bluefish:
I know it's barely noon but I will nominate this for dumbest post of the day. Day drinking again?

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Originally posted by bluefish:
I know it's barely noon but I will nominate this for dumbest post of the day. Day drinking again?

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Originally posted by theback40:
Yeah, the ACA.
It was going to drop insurance prices. Mine doubled. I called my Congressman who voted for it and asked what the hell. " Well, it didnt turn out like we expected"
My nephew couldnt get a doctor for 3 yrs after turning 18. He was told to use the ER for everything until he was accepted on a plan.
I cashed my stimulus checks. One I got my daughter to take. She flat out refused any monetary help in college, she was going to do it herself. I told her it was not my money.
The others I cashed, put in blank envelopes and dropped them in the mailboxes of young families around town, screwed over by the shutdowns.
I dont take anything I have not earned.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by theback40:
Yeah, the ACA.
It was going to drop insurance prices. Mine doubled. I called my Congressman who voted for it and asked what the hell. " Well, it didnt turn out like we expected"
My nephew couldnt get a doctor for 3 yrs after turning 18. He was told to use the ER for everything until he was accepted on a plan.
I cashed my stimulus checks. One I got my daughter to take. She flat out refused any monetary help in college, she was going to do it herself. I told her it was not my money.
The others I cashed, put in blank envelopes and dropped them in the mailboxes of young families around town, screwed over by the shutdowns.
I dont take anything I have not earned.

BS. Rates were increasing double digits every damn year before the ACA. Millions of people got coverage who had none before, and I know quite a few of them myself. If your rates doubled you should have gone shopping.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Our Dem gov allowed only two insurance companies with the rules they put forward. Guess what? There wasnt a nikels worth of cost savings between them. It was suppose to save everyone money. How is any increase a "savings"? Why were they so dishonest with costs and keeping your doctor?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Maybe the solution is free healthcare for all? Like 90% of the rest of the civilized world?

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The vast majority of public1 NHS funding comes from general taxation and National Insurance contributions (NICs).

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Canada has a decentralized, universal, publicly funded health system called Canadian Medicare. Health care is funded and administered primarily by the country’s 13 provinces and territories. Each has its own insurance plan, and each receives cash assistance from the federal government on a per-capita basis. Benefits and delivery approaches vary. All citizens and permanent residents, however, receive medically necessary hospital and physician services free at the point of use. To pay for excluded services, including outpatient prescription drugs and dental care, provinces and territories provide some coverage for targeted groups. In addition, about two-thirds of Canadians have private insurance.

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No matter where you live and how much you are covered, the way healthcare in China works will require you to pay for the services upfront and out of your own pocket. Depending on the insurance scheme and treatment, you may be reimbursed for some of the costs or none at all.

As for what does the public healthcare covers, it is worth noting that there are some gaps in the public health system. For example, it doesn’t usually cover the cost of emergency transportation, nor grant you access to private facilities. Also, even if you have access to public health insurance, your non-working family members may not be covered

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The costs of healthcare in Australia are covered through taxes

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The public healthcare system in New Zealand operates as a single-payer healthcare system. The government pays for the majority of healthcare costs using public tax money – up to 9% of New Zealand's GDP.

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The Indian government has recently established a National Health Protection Scheme called, Ayushman Bharat, or PM-JAY, which is financed by taxes.

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The sickness funds (mandatory healthcare insurance) are financed through wage contributions at 14.6% shared equally by the employee and employer.

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Japan's public healthcare system is known as SHI or Social Health Insurance. SHI applies to everyone who is employed full-time with a medium or large company. Approximately 5% is deducted from salaries to pay for SHI, and employers match this cost.

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Singapore's public healthcare is funded by taxes, which only cover about one-fourth of Singapore's total health costs. Individuals and their employers pay for the rest in the form of mandatory life insurance schemes and deductions from the compulsory savings plan or the Central Provident Fund (CPF)

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France runs a statutory health insurance (SHI) system providing universal coverage for its residents. The system is financed through employee and employer contributions, and increasingly by earmarked taxes on a broad range of revenues

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
A single example shows why healthcare costs have skyrocketed.

Paxlovid, Pfizer's widely-prescribed COVID treatment, costs Pfizer about $14 for a 5-day course.

They just announced it will cost $1,390 for a 5-day course.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Maybe the solution is free healthcare for all? Like 90% of the rest of the civilized world?

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Maybe the solution is free healthcare for all? Like 90% of the rest of the civilized world?

Except the free healthcare is both rationed and if the government decides it isn’t covered, you’re up a creek.

Look at some of the ugly schemes they came up with in early Covid to show abuses that will be common- government handpicking who gets care and who doesn’t.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Maybe the solution is free healthcare for all? Like 90% of the rest of the civilized world?

If by "Free" you mean single payer - yes, that would provide a safety net for those not working/lower end of the taxpayer spectrum / younger workers who aren't likely to need to draw down the funds of the system. In fact, it would be cheaper for a large swath of the population, even though they would be taxed, directly or indirectly, for the service. This is very different that medicare/medicade which many doctors refuse to accept new patients on. It would also mean that service providers (doctors, nurses, etc) COULD face lower wages - comparable to a state provided attorney vs a private attorney.

"free"
in the UK

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The vast majority of public1 NHS funding comes from general taxation and National Insurance contributions (NICs).

The brits describe it as just enough healthcare to keep the pax payers paying taxes - an interesting aside, one of my employees broke a bone in their arm - when he went to NHS, he was advised that it could be 6 weeks before he could have further care, past the emergency care and brace - when he mentioned he had private insurance (like a US employee) he was able to see a doctor in private practice HOURS the next days - private practice hours are when the doc isn't working from the state at a state facility
In Canada

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Canada has a decentralized, universal, publicly funded health system called Canadian Medicare. Health care is funded and administered primarily by the country’s 13 provinces and territories. Each has its own insurance plan, and each receives cash assistance from the federal government on a per-capita basis. Benefits and delivery approaches vary. All citizens and permanent residents, however, receive medically necessary hospital and physician services free at the point of use. To pay for excluded services, including outpatient prescription drugs and dental care, provinces and territories provide some coverage for targeted groups. In addition, about two-thirds of Canadians have private insurance.

in China

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No matter where you live and how much you are covered, the way healthcare in China works will require you to pay for the services upfront and out of your own pocket. Depending on the insurance scheme and treatment, you may be reimbursed for some of the costs or none at all.

As for what does the public healthcare covers, it is worth noting that there are some gaps in the public health system. For example, it doesn’t usually cover the cost of emergency transportation, nor grant you access to private facilities. Also, even if you have access to public health insurance, your non-working family members may not be covered

In OZ

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The costs of healthcare in Australia are covered through taxes

in NZ

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The public healthcare system in New Zealand operates as a single-payer healthcare system. The government pays for the majority of healthcare costs using public tax money – up to 9% of New Zealand's GDP.

in India

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The Indian government has recently established a National Health Protection Scheme called, Ayushman Bharat, or PM-JAY, which is financed by taxes.

in Germany

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The sickness funds (mandatory healthcare insurance) are financed through wage contributions at 14.6% shared equally by the employee and employer.

In Japan

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Japan's public healthcare system is known as SHI or Social Health Insurance. SHI applies to everyone who is employed full-time with a medium or large company. Approximately 5% is deducted from salaries to pay for SHI, and employers match this cost.

In Singapore

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Singapore's public healthcare is funded by taxes, which only cover about one-fourth of Singapore's total health costs. Individuals and their employers pay for the rest in the form of mandatory life insurance schemes and deductions from the compulsory savings plan or the Central Provident Fund (CPF)

In France

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France runs a statutory health insurance (SHI) system providing universal coverage for its residents. The system is financed through employee and employer contributions, and increasingly by earmarked taxes on a broad range of revenues

State provided healthcare is universally substandard as compared to the SAME care, in the same country, under private healthcare / cash.
There's reasons why people travel to the US for the "best" healthcare

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Maybe the solution is free healthcare for all? Like 90% of the rest of the civilized world?

Except the free healthcare is both rationed and if the government decides it isn’t covered, you’re up a creek.

Look at some of the ugly schemes they came up with in early Covid to show abuses that will be common- government handpicking who gets care and who doesn’t.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Maybe the solution is free healthcare for all? Like 90% of the rest of the civilized world?

If by "Free" you mean single payer - yes, that would provide a safety net for those not working/lower end of the taxpayer spectrum / younger workers who aren't likely to need to draw down the funds of the system. In fact, it would be cheaper for a large swath of the population, even though they would be taxed, directly or indirectly, for the service. This is very different that medicare/medicade which many doctors refuse to accept new patients on. It would also mean that service providers (doctors, nurses, etc) COULD face lower wages - comparable to a state provided attorney vs a private attorney.

"free"
in the UK

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The vast majority of public1 NHS funding comes from general taxation and National Insurance contributions (NICs).

The brits describe it as just enough healthcare to keep the pax payers paying taxes - an interesting aside, one of my employees broke a bone in their arm - when he went to NHS, he was advised that it could be 6 weeks before he could have further care, past the emergency care and brace - when he mentioned he had private insurance (like a US employee) he was able to see a doctor in private practice HOURS the next days - private practice hours are when the doc isn't working from the state at a state facility
In Canada

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Canada has a decentralized, universal, publicly funded health system called Canadian Medicare. Health care is funded and administered primarily by the country’s 13 provinces and territories. Each has its own insurance plan, and each receives cash assistance from the federal government on a per-capita basis. Benefits and delivery approaches vary. All citizens and permanent residents, however, receive medically necessary hospital and physician services free at the point of use. To pay for excluded services, including outpatient prescription drugs and dental care, provinces and territories provide some coverage for targeted groups. In addition, about two-thirds of Canadians have private insurance.

in China

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No matter where you live and how much you are covered, the way healthcare in China works will require you to pay for the services upfront and out of your own pocket. Depending on the insurance scheme and treatment, you may be reimbursed for some of the costs or none at all.

As for what does the public healthcare covers, it is worth noting that there are some gaps in the public health system. For example, it doesn’t usually cover the cost of emergency transportation, nor grant you access to private facilities. Also, even if you have access to public health insurance, your non-working family members may not be covered

In OZ

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The costs of healthcare in Australia are covered through taxes

in NZ

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The public healthcare system in New Zealand operates as a single-payer healthcare system. The government pays for the majority of healthcare costs using public tax money – up to 9% of New Zealand's GDP.

in India

quote:

The Indian government has recently established a National Health Protection Scheme called, Ayushman Bharat, or PM-JAY, which is financed by taxes.

in Germany

quote:

The sickness funds (mandatory healthcare insurance) are financed through wage contributions at 14.6% shared equally by the employee and employer.

In Japan

quote:

Japan's public healthcare system is known as SHI or Social Health Insurance. SHI applies to everyone who is employed full-time with a medium or large company. Approximately 5% is deducted from salaries to pay for SHI, and employers match this cost.

In Singapore

quote:

Singapore's public healthcare is funded by taxes, which only cover about one-fourth of Singapore's total health costs. Individuals and their employers pay for the rest in the form of mandatory life insurance schemes and deductions from the compulsory savings plan or the Central Provident Fund (CPF)

In France

quote:

France runs a statutory health insurance (SHI) system providing universal coverage for its residents. The system is financed through employee and employer contributions, and increasingly by earmarked taxes on a broad range of revenues

State provided healthcare is universally substandard as compared to the SAME care, in the same country, under private healthcare / cash.
There's reasons why people travel to the US for the "best" healthcare

These countries you site are far less expensive than the US and the health care is hardly inferior. My cousin took her cancer stricken daughter to Germany for health care that isn't even approved here. She is still with us. Here they gave her 2 months.


https://health.usnews.com/heal...niversal-health-care

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Maybe the solution is free healthcare for all? Like 90% of the rest of the civilized world?

Except the free healthcare is both rationed and if the government decides it isn’t covered, you’re up a creek.

Look at some of the ugly schemes they came up with in early Covid to show abuses that will be common- government handpicking who gets care and who doesn’t.

I know. 90% of the civilized world wants our fucked up health-care system. Right?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Well, I’ll just be honest. My Mams (adopted mother) has Medicare. The waits for specialists after referrals are ridiculous.