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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Nikki is far more conservative on most issues than I am, but I am rooting for her to keep her candidacy alive for when the criminal Trump goes to prison. Kamala is far to the left of most Americans and would only inflame the culture wars and other divisions. As AG, she helped oversee the decriminalization of theft and shoplifting in California. She would do better as the mayor of Portland, Oregon, walking among her constituents, the addicts legally using fentanyl in the open on the sidewalks downtown, the poor things. A Narcan for your vote, sir?
But we must admit she is a fiery orator.

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
ME: My information is a very close friend who owns a large sporting goods store in Chico. It could be incorrect. Here is an interesting look at Harris's stands on various California issues, The source is a radical magazine, however.
https://rampantmag.com/2020/08...riss-history-a-list/


From the Bulwark this morning:


Stick Around, Nikki

WILLIAM KRISTOL AND ANDREW EGGER
FEB 21





Nikki Haley speaks during a campaign event in Greenville, South Carolina, on February 20, 2024. (Photo by Julia Nikhinson / AFP via Getty Images.)
Note to Nikki: Keep on Keeping On
She’s getting under their skin.

Yesterday in South Carolina, Nikki Haley said: “I feel no need to kiss the ring. And I have no fear of Trump’s retribution. I’m not looking for anything from him.” The reaction of Trump’s spokesperson to this was too vulgar to be quoted in a tasteful morning missive like this one. (But here’s a link!)

This was just one of countless instances of creepy Trumpist misogynists lashing out at Nikki Haley. And while one knows these gross comments further pollute our public discourse, one has to welcome them. The more close-ups voters see of Trumpist garbage, the more offensive Trump and his followers are to Haley, the more Trumpists alienate those Republicans and independents who respect Haley—the less likely these individuals are to end up supporting Trump in the general election.

Trump and the Trumpists are annoyed. They feel entitled. After all, no other Republican has been nominated for president in twelve years, and no other Republican has been elected president in twenty. Who is Nikki Haley to get in the Orange Man’s way?

But there she is. In the way. An annoyance. Someone who will not kiss the ring.

Haley is very unlikely to defeat Trump. But she’s won about 40 percent to Trump’s 60 percent of their combined primary vote so far. And the polls in South Carolina suggest she’ll be in the 35 percent range there as well.

If Haley can keep getting a respectable share of the vote against Trump—if she can perhaps even win a couple of primaries on Super Tuesday (Hey, fellow Virginians, time to step up!)—she can keep going. Which will increase the number of Americans who’ll hear her increasingly strong and trenchant criticisms of Trump, who’ll observe the disgusting behavior of Trumpists and Trump in response, and who’ll recoil from Trump in November.

Haley’s political career has had its more and less admirable moments. But what she is doing now is a far, far better thing than she has ever done before.

—William Kristol

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
ME: My information is a very close friend who owns a large sporting goods store in Chico. It could be incorrect. Here is an interesting look at Harris's stands on various California issues, The source is a radical magazine, however.
https://rampantmag.com/2020/08...riss-history-a-list/


From the Bulwark this morning:


Stick Around, Nikki

WILLIAM KRISTOL AND ANDREW EGGER
FEB 21





Nikki Haley speaks during a campaign event in Greenville, South Carolina, on February 20, 2024. (Photo by Julia Nikhinson / AFP via Getty Images.)
Note to Nikki: Keep on Keeping On
She’s getting under their skin.

Yesterday in South Carolina, Nikki Haley said: “I feel no need to kiss the ring. And I have no fear of Trump’s retribution. I’m not looking for anything from him.” The reaction of Trump’s spokesperson to this was too vulgar to be quoted in a tasteful morning missive like this one. (But here’s a link!)

This was just one of countless instances of creepy Trumpist misogynists lashing out at Nikki Haley. And while one knows these gross comments further pollute our public discourse, one has to welcome them. The more close-ups voters see of Trumpist garbage, the more offensive Trump and his followers are to Haley, the more Trumpists alienate those Republicans and independents who respect Haley—the less likely these individuals are to end up supporting Trump in the general election.

Trump and the Trumpists are annoyed. They feel entitled. After all, no other Republican has been nominated for president in twelve years, and no other Republican has been elected president in twenty. Who is Nikki Haley to get in the Orange Man’s way?

But there she is. In the way. An annoyance. Someone who will not kiss the ring.

Haley is very unlikely to defeat Trump. But she’s won about 40 percent to Trump’s 60 percent of their combined primary vote so far. And the polls in South Carolina suggest she’ll be in the 35 percent range there as well.

If Haley can keep getting a respectable share of the vote against Trump—if she can perhaps even win a couple of primaries on Super Tuesday (Hey, fellow Virginians, time to step up!)—she can keep going. Which will increase the number of Americans who’ll hear her increasingly strong and trenchant criticisms of Trump, who’ll observe the disgusting behavior of Trumpists and Trump in response, and who’ll recoil from Trump in November.

Haley’s political career has had its more and less admirable moments. But what she is doing now is a far, far better thing than she has ever done before.

—William Kristol

Im just totally bemused that given the choice between someone intelligent and articulate with sensible mainstream views on the one hand and Trump o the other that there are even enough people still supporting trump to put together a bowling team.

It's just utterly incomprehensible, and frankly a bit unsettling, that are so many people over there who are so easily pursued by a two bit grifter. These are effectively about 4 in 10 of the really nice, friendly and ostensibly intelligent people I meet every time I'm over there.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Near as I can tell, most of these folks are so mad at Biden and the political system that put him in that they want Trump back more as revenge and a means of righting the political scales… revenge would be the appropriate word.

They want the left to feel as disenfranchised as they felt when Biden was elected.

I have to admit some schadenfreude when listening to the lefty entertainment types claim they will leave the country when trump won the first time… and they didn’t, did they?

But (IMO) they miss the point. It’s about who is best equipped to lead the country in a positive direction. Even if you are a true believer, how is Trump going to accomplish more now with a significant increase in polarization than he was the first time with the GOP also controlling congress then? They believe him when he says “because we have really great ideas”?

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
ME: My information is a very close friend who owns a large sporting goods store in Chico. It could be incorrect. Here is an interesting look at Harris's stands on various California issues, The source is a radical magazine, however.
https://rampantmag.com/2020/08...riss-history-a-list/


From the Bulwark this morning:


Stick Around, Nikki

WILLIAM KRISTOL AND ANDREW EGGER
FEB 21





Nikki Haley speaks during a campaign event in Greenville, South Carolina, on February 20, 2024. (Photo by Julia Nikhinson / AFP via Getty Images.)
Note to Nikki: Keep on Keeping On
She’s getting under their skin.

Yesterday in South Carolina, Nikki Haley said: “I feel no need to kiss the ring. And I have no fear of Trump’s retribution. I’m not looking for anything from him.” The reaction of Trump’s spokesperson to this was too vulgar to be quoted in a tasteful morning missive like this one. (But here’s a link!)

This was just one of countless instances of creepy Trumpist misogynists lashing out at Nikki Haley. And while one knows these gross comments further pollute our public discourse, one has to welcome them. The more close-ups voters see of Trumpist garbage, the more offensive Trump and his followers are to Haley, the more Trumpists alienate those Republicans and independents who respect Haley—the less likely these individuals are to end up supporting Trump in the general election.

Trump and the Trumpists are annoyed. They feel entitled. After all, no other Republican has been nominated for president in twelve years, and no other Republican has been elected president in twenty. Who is Nikki Haley to get in the Orange Man’s way?

But there she is. In the way. An annoyance. Someone who will not kiss the ring.

Haley is very unlikely to defeat Trump. But she’s won about 40 percent to Trump’s 60 percent of their combined primary vote so far. And the polls in South Carolina suggest she’ll be in the 35 percent range there as well.

If Haley can keep getting a respectable share of the vote against Trump—if she can perhaps even win a couple of primaries on Super Tuesday (Hey, fellow Virginians, time to step up!)—she can keep going. Which will increase the number of Americans who’ll hear her increasingly strong and trenchant criticisms of Trump, who’ll observe the disgusting behavior of Trumpists and Trump in response, and who’ll recoil from Trump in November.

Haley’s political career has had its more and less admirable moments. But what she is doing now is a far, far better thing than she has ever done before.

—William Kristol

Im just totally bemused that given the choice between someone intelligent and articulate with sensible mainstream views on the one hand and Trump o the other that there are even enough people still supporting trump to put together a bowling team.

It's just utterly incomprehensible, and frankly a bit unsettling, that are so many people over there who are so easily pursued by a two bit grifter. These are effectively about 4 in 10 of the really nice, friendly and ostensibly intelligent people I meet every time I'm over there.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The GOP wants to spend the money to Ukraine on its pet projects.

Biden wants to expand the democrat deep state by more low income types getting rights and privileges (what legalizing a bunch of unskilled immigrants really means) and thus increasing the number of folks beholden to them.

Haley is correct. We can certainly do both. We can also do both much more rationally than has been proposed.

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It is amazing that with all your apparent education you don't understand that only Citizens can vote in Federal elections.

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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It is amazing that with all your apparent education you don't understand that only Citizens can vote in Federal elections.

And if the power that be decides they are granted citizenship? This is what will happen.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The GOP wants to spend the money to Ukraine on its pet projects.

Biden wants to expand the democrat deep state by more low income types getting rights and privileges (what legalizing a bunch of unskilled immigrants really means) and thus increasing the number of folks beholden to them.

Haley is correct. We can certainly do both. We can also do both much more rationally than has been proposed.

It is amazing that with all your apparent education you don't understand that only Citizens can vote in Federal elections.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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It is amazing that with all your apparent education you don't understand that only Citizens can vote in Federal elections.

And if the power that be decides they are granted citizenship? This is what will happen.

The "powers that be"?

That would be the House of Representatives and the Senate, who have to pass a Federal Law, and the President, who has to sign it into Law.

You know, the two branches of government the Constitution established to make and enforce Federal Laws.

~Ann

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Originally posted by crbutler:
You guys are the ones spouting how they need a pathway to citizenship.

I suspect that in California there is more illicit voting than you suspect, albeit with their rules it’s not detectable.

I have green card holding coworkers who get jury summons regularly. The jury pool is registered voters… which in MN is via getting a drivers license.

Admittedly the number of green card holders is statistically insignificant, but I bet we will see the same thing happening with illegals now that MN is allowing illegals to get drivers licenses.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The GOP wants to spend the money to Ukraine on its pet projects.

Biden wants to expand the democrat deep state by more low income types getting rights and privileges (what legalizing a bunch of unskilled immigrants really means) and thus increasing the number of folks beholden to them.

Haley is correct. We can certainly do both. We can also do both much more rationally than has been proposed.

It is amazing that with all your apparent education you don't understand that only Citizens can vote in Federal elections.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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It is amazing that with all your apparent education you don't understand that only Citizens can vote in Federal elections.

And if the power that be decides they are granted citizenship? This is what will happen.

The "powers that be"?

That would be the House of Representatives and the Senate, who have to pass a Federal Law, and the President, who has to sign it into Law.

You know, the two branches of government the Constitution established to make and enforce Federal Laws.

Are you saying that executive action would never happen?

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
And what if they don't burn? because the left has been trying to light that fire for quite a while and yet it looks like the GOP eats fire.
If truely the goal you guys state is to prevent facism taking hold, then adding kindling seems like a dumb idea. better to let things water down.

Honestly I think revenge is driving some of you.more than desire for a better nation.

They are burning themselves to the ground. Since the election of Trump they have consistently lost elections, even when the pundits confidently predicted a "Red Wave".

And that was when women voters weren't pissed about Roe.

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Nikki is far more conservative on most issues than I am, but I am rooting for her to keep her candidacy alive for when the criminal Trump goes to prison. Kamala is far to the left of most Americans and would only inflame the culture wars and other divisions. As AG, she helped oversee the decriminalization of theft and shoplifting in California. She would do better as the mayor of Portland, Oregon, walking among her constituents, the addicts legally using fentanyl in the open on the sidewalks downtown, the poor things. A Narcan for your vote, sir?
But we must admit she is a fiery orator.

Its also a disaster when a country moves that far left, as we did. The result being that the ordinary, quiet, folk had enough and moved back too the right based on promises too undo much of the crazy. Now the left, who thought they had 'Won" the culture war have gone apoplectic at there unjustness of democracy, Calling it such things as the tools of colonisation, racist, etc.