I borrowed my post from another thread because the discussions already started had devolved into nonsense.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I can think of at least one analogy for the Trumpism Party:

https://youtu.be/vUgs2O7Okqc?si=lgWtMsqYyu2p5LPG

The Trump Tsunami has reached its crest.

Now, prepare ourselves for the backwash of the Tsunami Debris.

https://www.google.com/search?...gIsB&sclient=gws-wiz

Trumpism Tsunami Debris Backwash:

In order to imagine what's about to happen, supposing Trump loses, think of it like what happens when a cult of personality dissolves because the leader exposes himself as what he really is, rather than what he pretends to be, and what his movement is really about.

It is really a big deal. The scale of it.

First thing as we know is the denial and lies. We may not get past that, but if and when we do - what then?

As with all cults that dissolve, the factions will disperse, go their separate ways, and foment, fester, brood, loathe, hate, while remaining loosely connected, under their own rocks, as they have already for many years, awaiting the next demagogue, just like venomous periodical cicada, with fangs, morphing, evolving for the next emergence.

That could take a while. Those GOPers in Congress will do their chameleon act while spinning. Hopefully they can't hide and pay the price in the polls for many years, like Newt Gingrich.

Anyway, it ain't over till the fat lady sings the anthem. https://youtu.be/VPUP-cop-FY?si=Jamt-ZLS6RTPd-Kq&t=4

Throw him in jail!

That is where he belongs!

It could happen.

The stakes for the country are high.

The stakes for Trump are higher:

https://www.cnn.com/interactiv...ents-criminal-cases/

Donald Trump's criminal cases, in one place
By Amy O'Kruk and Curt Merrill, CNN

Updated September 13, 2024

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
It could happen.

The stakes for the country are high.

The stakes for Trump are higher:

https://www.cnn.com/interactiv...ents-criminal-cases/

Donald Trump's criminal cases, in one place
By Amy O'Kruk and Curt Merrill, CNN

Updated September 13, 2024

He'll probably try to interfere in the EV certification by publicly calling out for the Congressfolks to do so just like he did for the border bill. Or their will be endless demands for recounts.

What Trump, or even Trumps followers might do is largely immaterial. The real concern is What Kamala and the people pulling her strings will do over the next four years. We know they like inflation because it increases their worth without any productivity. We know they will continue to be soft on immigration and will continue to burden American taxpayers with the cost. We know they will continue to shame white Americans and expect them to accept the blame for all that's wrong in the world. We know that they will continue to hamper US manufacturing and enable and encourage more companies to move offshore. We know they will continue to alienate rural America. We know they will continue to diminish the stature of the US in the eyes of the rest of the world.
The founding fathers will be denounced as racist domestic terrorists, and this will be taught to children in elementary school by teachers in drag.
Trump's followers will bitch and whine about the results and will, as usual, offer no real solution to any of it. Congress and the Senate will continue to be deadlocked on most matters, regardless of the will of the people. Regards, Bill.

The Country would be better off if it involved tanker trucks of Flavor Aid...

We can count on you, Bill, for some Canadian optimism.

You don't have to worry much. Canada has lots of rocks.

Don't forget, I am also American, born there, lived there, served there. Have brothers, a daughter, and grandchildren there. I have some skin in the game.
In Canada, we are also cursed with the effects of runaway liberalism, but we have real hope that we might be able to turn it around.
The man who is most likely to be our next Prime Minister is neither a self-serving billionaire nor a liberal lunatic, so we have a chance. South of the border, it's lose/lose. Regards, Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
What Trump, or even Trumps followers might do is largely immaterial. The real concern is What Kamala and the people pulling her strings will do over the next four years. We know they like inflation because it increases their worth without any productivity. We know they will continue to be soft on immigration and will continue to burden American taxpayers with the cost. We know they will continue to shame white Americans and expect them to accept the blame for all that's wrong in the world. We know that they will continue to hamper US manufacturing and enable and encourage more companies to move offshore. We know they will continue to alienate rural America. We know they will continue to diminish the stature of the US in the eyes of the rest of the world.
The founding fathers will be denounced as racist domestic terrorists, and this will be taught to children in elementary school by teachers in drag.
Trump's followers will bitch and whine about the results and will, as usual, offer no real solution to any of it. Congress and the Senate will continue to be deadlocked on most matters, regardless of the will of the people. Regards, Bill.

President Regan when they were trying to pass a bill to prevent gay teachers killed it as governor. In doing so he stated being gay is not something you could catch.

The specific quote is, “Sexuality is determined at a very early age and that a child's teachers do not really influence this."

Kids are going to be gay, kids are going to be trans forcing them to hide it is not the answer. Teachers do not really influence the outcome.

I agree w President Regan.

Personality cults don’t always die out, unfortunately. Sometimes the nucleus calcifies and turns into a religion based on legends around some truly crazy bastards.

Jesus, Mohammed, John Smith, Charles Taze Russell, L. Ron Hubbard, and Sun Myung Moon to name a few.

Unfortunately, a lot of the MAGAts are already far enough beyond logic and reason and so deep in self delusion that I wouldn’t be surprised if it goes in that direction. They’re already beyond supporters; they reached the stage of disciples.

When people will violently break established law and go to prison for someone they’ve never met, but who they hold to be a charismatic messianic leader, you’re in very dangerous territory.

The GOO will not reset and come back to the middle.

The reason being the influence the Texas State GOP has on the national party.

Texas to GOP is California to Democrats.

The problems are the same.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
What Trump, or even Trumps followers might do is largely immaterial. The real concern is What Kamala and the people pulling her strings will do over the next four years. We know they like inflation because it increases their worth without any productivity. We know they will continue to be soft on immigration and will continue to burden American taxpayers with the cost. We know they will continue to shame white Americans and expect them to accept the blame for all that's wrong in the world. We know that they will continue to hamper US manufacturing and enable and encourage more companies to move offshore. We know they will continue to alienate rural America. We know they will continue to diminish the stature of the US in the eyes of the rest of the world.
The founding fathers will be denounced as racist domestic terrorists, and this will be taught to children in elementary school by teachers in drag.
Trump's followers will bitch and whine about the results and will, as usual, offer no real solution to any of it. Congress and the Senate will continue to be deadlocked on most matters, regardless of the will of the people. Regards, Bill.

President Regan when they were trying to pass a bill to prevent gay teachers killed it as governor. In doing so he stated being gay is not something you could catch.

The specific quote is, “Sexuality is determined at a very early age and that a child's teachers do not really influence this."

Kids are going to be gay, kids are going to be trans forcing them to hide it is not the answer. Teachers do not really influence the outcome.

I agree w President Regan.

So, you are fine with transvestite storytime for elementary students. That is, of course, your choice and that's OK. I am not. Regards, Bill

I am fine w trans teachers.

I am fine w age appropriate depictions of couples in books.

A story about Rex and Zeus is not going to make anyone gay.

I am fine with a trans teacher leading story tine.

Se my above position that mirrors Presidential Regan back in the 80s.

Being gay is not a fault, not a problem, and not a moral failure.

I am okay with not condemning and limiting people by their clothes or what consenting adult they have sex with.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
What Trump, or even Trumps followers might do is largely immaterial. The real concern is What Kamala and the people pulling her strings will do over the next four years. We know they like inflation because it increases their worth without any productivity. We know they will continue to be soft on immigration and will continue to burden American taxpayers with the cost. We know they will continue to shame white Americans and expect them to accept the blame for all that's wrong in the world. We know that they will continue to hamper US manufacturing and enable and encourage more companies to move offshore. We know they will continue to alienate rural America. We know they will continue to diminish the stature of the US in the eyes of the rest of the world.
The founding fathers will be denounced as racist domestic terrorists, and this will be taught to children in elementary school by teachers in drag.
Trump's followers will bitch and whine about the results and will, as usual, offer no real solution to any of it. Congress and the Senate will continue to be deadlocked on most matters, regardless of the will of the people. Regards, Bill.

President Regan when they were trying to pass a bill to prevent gay teachers killed it as governor. In doing so he stated being gay is not something you could catch.

The specific quote is, “Sexuality is determined at a very early age and that a child's teachers do not really influence this."

Kids are going to be gay, kids are going to be trans forcing them to hide it is not the answer. Teachers do not really influence the outcome.

I agree w President Regan.

So, you are fine with transvestite storytime for elementary students. That is, of course, your choice and that's OK. I am not. Regards, Bill

I really don't know what "transvestite storytime" is. Hopefully, it will help kids understand they shouldn't be assholes who demonize and demean transvestites and other folks who are different from them?

I assume is he referring to crossing males or gender non binary reading books to children.

Yes, generally I am fine w it. That exposure does not make a child gay as President Regan observed as governor.

Again, being gay is not a fault, it is not a personal failure, and it is not a moral failure.

I’ll keep praying the Christian Nationalist keep losing, and ability for states to make it a crime never returns to our jurisprudence.

I’ll vote for that too.

I'm not concerned with children being "made gay". I am concerned about the potential for grooming by deviant personalities. I do not consider it to be unlikely that a pederast, posing as a transgender, would try to gain access to the little girl's room. The bottom line though, is that I don't think children benefit from such interaction when they are 6 years old. I also believe this should be the choice of the parents.
I don't care whether or not people are gay, although I think the acting out of sexual preference in public displays is a little off putting (this applies to heterosexuals as well, BTW). I am truly of the live and let live persuasion. However, I don't see any point to going out of our way to expose children to the deviance of a very minor portion of the population.
By the way, I am not a Christian nationalist. I harbor about the same level of religious conviction as the average housecat. I'm pretty solidly in the Carl Sagan camp in this regard.
Oh, I am also OK with the non-binary genders and will cheerfully use the pronouns, he, she, or it, as appropriate. Regards, Bill.

Again, these people are not to be condemned in a class based on what you think might be.

Your underlying assumption is make crossing it non binary are deviants. That is simply not do. The exposing does not make a child gay or a crossing.

Folks are free to live their lives open in the public sphere just like we heterosexuals are.

It is no different than I coming into school and reading Dr. Suess books when asked.

I never said you were. I have said this as a wage issue has been brought to our politics by Christian Nationalists. I am not a Democrat, but I like some Democratic policies/platform. The same is true here.

A parent did not get notice that on this day and time the school was having community leaders come read to kids partly to show that reading was something to be embraced.

Now, in the interest of compromise, I would have no objection to parents being noticed before and signing an opt out. Again, these people are not deviant bc they wear a dress. It does not make any of them child molesters.

You do have more to worry about from Youth Pastors and Boy Scout leaders as a class.

Yes, Bill, but would you use the pronoun "them" to refer to a single person?

On a writers' forum I frequent, I just learned that a person named Sarah wants to be referred to as "them."

It would be considered a major faux pas, insensitive, and even racist not to comply.

People deserve to be called what they want to be called. I may not be able to stop others from being rude or hurtful, but I will not partake.

If Duke Wayne can go by Duke, Clay Ali, I can call someone by the name they identify with it.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Yes, Bill, but would you use the pronoun "them" to refer to a single person?

On a writers' forum I frequent, I just learned that a person named Sarah wants to be referred to as "them."

It would be considered a major faux pas, insensitive, and even racist not to comply.

I would not. I don't much care about gender, but numbers matter. When I see one, it is one. It can claim to be two three or thirty-four; it's still one. Maybe I am insensitive. Bill

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I am fine w trans teachers.

I am fine w age appropriate depictions of couples in books.

A story about Rex and Zeus is not going to make anyone gay.

I am fine with a trans teacher leading story tine.

Se my above position that mirrors Presidential Regan back in the 80s.

Being gay is not a fault, not a problem, and not a moral failure.

I am okay with not condemning and limiting people by their clothes or what consenting adult they have sex with.

Gay and trans are not the same.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
People deserve to be called what they want to be called. I may not be able to stop others from being rude or hurtful, but I will not partake.

If Duke Wayne can go by Duke, Clay Ali, I can call someone by the name they identify with it.

Yes people do deserve, they deserve to be called what they are.

I understand your name is Josh. I understand Jines name is Mike and Jtex name is Jim. Now tonight I may really, really, really want you to call me Josh tonight, but in fact my name is Scott. I think it'd be more than a little nutty for you to call me Josh because tonight I wanted you to.

So why ignore reality? A trout is in fact a trout, (really,) a moose is a moose, (really,) and my name is actually Scott, (no shit,) .

Im with you, I don't want to offend anyone, but that doesn't mean they get to twist me into their twisted pretzel.

If a dude insists they're a chick I can actually converse them in the neutral without addressing gender. "Thank you very much!" doesn't have to include "Sir" or "Missus".

I disagree and have stated why.

If you want to be a Joshua you have two options call yourself that and live by it, or you can engage in a legal process to change it to Joshua.

I know a guy we call Bruce. We have called him that for 20 years. I found out last night his “name” is David.

A name is even less complex than sexual identity.

Let's don't. That wouldn't be good.

A lot of false claims here.

1. The US government statistics show that the US economy is traditionally driven down by Republican administrations so that the super rich can get richer at a faster rate. GWB and the GEC is one example. The GOP and the super rich have no incentive to have a good healthy economy as they make less money. This has been the FACT for over 50 years.

2. Obama deported far more illegals than Trump. The border became WEAKER under Trump and Biden is now cleaning it up. the same was the case with GWB as far more illegals flooded in during his regime. Burden on tax payers is GOP play book when they give huge tax cuts to billionaires.

3. Shaming white Americans is only reserved for the Racists in the GOP. The Democratic party has more than 55% whites while the GOP is about 70% or more. See below -

https://www.americansurveycent...-but-less-religious/

https://www.pewresearch.org/po...icity-and-education/

https://www.statista.com/stati...n-us-race-ethnicity/

https://www.pewresearch.org/re...n/democrat-lean-dem/

Also remember that by 2032 elections more than 50% of your electorate will be non-white.

Teaching factual history in schools is the RIGHT THING TO DO. Do you want to continue hiding the horrors of slavery and genocide of native Americans. Do you want to continue to deny the targeting of minorities by Law enforcement out of ignorance and prejudice? Remember that 45% of whites do not agree with your comments!

4. No body will blame the Whites for all that is wrong in the world. The blame will be ONLY on those who lack integrity, common human decency and a commitment to all human being equal in every way. The GOP on the other hand will be blamed for a lot of what is wrong in the world as it just panders to criminal oligarchs.

5. The claim that Democrats will move jobs off-shore is beyond ridiculous. Try selling that to all unions and the average wage earners. On the other hand the oligarch billionaires who control giant corporations will keep sending manufacturing overseas to lower waged countries.

6. Rural America alienates itself. The rest of America has no connection with them. 60 million people live in Rural America - less than 18%. Do they not take responsibility for their own lives? Do they not care about their fellow country citizens? Why are rural West Texans accepting that almost 30% of them do not have health insurance? Is that the fault of Democrats?

7. There is no need for the Democrats to diminish the status of the US. Trump and the GOP has already done a great job of that to an extent far beyond anything imaginable.

8. The founding fathers were slave owners and also guilty of genocide against the native Americans. Those are historical facts. Why do you want to hide that?

9. Look at the demographics of Trump voters. Look at how many are poor and less educated. They will bitch and moan irrespective of who is in charge. That is why they are poor and uneducated and support Trump.

10. This is one point I can agree with you. Congress is broken and will continue to be dead locked. Putin will continue to influence the NRA, Trump, Getz etc.

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
What Trump, or even Trumps followers might do is largely immaterial. The real concern is What Kamala and the people pulling her strings will do over the next four years. We know they like inflation because it increases their worth without any productivity. We know they will continue to be soft on immigration and will continue to burden American taxpayers with the cost. We know they will continue to shame white Americans and expect them to accept the blame for all that's wrong in the world. We know that they will continue to hamper US manufacturing and enable and encourage more companies to move offshore. We know they will continue to alienate rural America. We know they will continue to diminish the stature of the US in the eyes of the rest of the world.
The founding fathers will be denounced as racist domestic terrorists, and this will be taught to children in elementary school by teachers in drag.
Trump's followers will bitch and whine about the results and will, as usual, offer no real solution to any of it. Congress and the Senate will continue to be deadlocked on most matters, regardless of the will of the people. Regards, Bill.