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He pardoned Hunter!
02 December 2024, 04:48
Aspen Hill AdventuresHe pardoned Hunter!
Creepy Joe lied and said he wouldn't!
~Ann
02 December 2024, 04:50
JTEXquote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Creepy Joe lied and said he wouldn't!
Democrats lie. Its what they do!!!!!
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02 December 2024, 04:55
theback40He was always going to despite the BS that he wouldnt.
Quite frankly, he would be an asshole if he didnt, it's his kid.
02 December 2024, 05:05
LHeym500Ann, I think I posted over you. I apologize if I did.
02 December 2024, 05:08
jeffeossoYep
https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...ter-biden-rcna182369Let's take a moment to mourn the loss of propriety
It's not that the dems have given up the moral high ground, they are mud wrestling in the cess pit
they don't call it the biden crime family for nothing
now, before you little lefties post - THINK about how you would feel if trump did EXACTLY that same
02 December 2024, 05:17
Steve Ahrenbergquote:
Originally posted by theback40:
He was always going to despite the BS that he wouldnt.
Quite frankly, he would be an asshole if he didnt, it's his kid.
100%. As I said in JTEX thread about the same thing. He better have pardoned him.
Formerly "Nganga"
02 December 2024, 06:17
ledvmWe all knew he would. He should have just said be would.
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02 December 2024, 06:31
Aspen Hill AdventuresBut lying comes too easy for 0biden. He proves it every day.
~Ann
03 December 2024, 05:22
RolandtheHeadlessTalk about lying--you take a back seat to nobody.
03 December 2024, 08:27
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
But lying comes too easy for 0biden. He proves it every day.
I think he still behind Trump for lying.
About 100 to 1!
That selfish MAGA ARSEHOLE lies every time he opens his mouth!
03 December 2024, 11:28
lavacaI think he painted himself into a box. In light of the pardon, Hunter can no longer take the Fifth, so he has to testify and can be questioned about the "big guy's" involvement. His pardon is for acts taken as of 12/1/24, so he can be prosecuted for perjury thereafter. I'd issue a subpoena and require him to testify and then, someone's going down, Hunter, or his family members, including the "big guy."
03 December 2024, 17:14
JefffiveIt would have been stupid not to after
this was nominated as FBI Director.
He should take something for his perpetual cold, he sniffs as much as Don Jr.
"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
03 December 2024, 18:18
LHeym500quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
I think he painted himself into a box. In light of the pardon, Hunter can no longer take the Fifth, so he has to testify and can be questioned about the "big guy's" involvement. His pardon is for acts taken as of 12/1/24, so he can be prosecuted for perjury thereafter. I'd issue a subpoena and require him to testify and then, someone's going down, Hunter, or his family members, including the "big guy."
Hunter can take the 5th on any questioning that is not covered by the pardon(s).
03 December 2024, 19:20
Jefffivequote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
I think he painted himself into a box. In light of the pardon, Hunter can no longer take the Fifth, so he has to testify and can be questioned about the "big guy's" involvement. His pardon is for acts taken as of 12/1/24, so he can be prosecuted for perjury thereafter. I'd issue a subpoena and require him to testify and then, someone's going down, Hunter, or his family members, including the "big guy."
Hunter can take the 5th on any questioning that is not covered by the pardon(s).
He can also get the Republican Syndrome where he can't recall anything.
"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
03 December 2024, 22:06
MtElkHunterCriticize Biden all you want but put in the same situation I think most reasonable parents would do the same thing. At the end of your career, 82 years old in failing health and mental ability and you have the ability to keep your child out of jail with no repercussions to yourself, only a hardened old asshole would not Parden their child.
04 December 2024, 04:58
theback40Someone brought up a good point on the news.
if Biden "wanted" to let the law play out, but couldnt because he thought hunter was being politically persecuted...... why couldnt he fire the party who was persecuting him? It's Bidens DOJ.
04 December 2024, 05:51
JTEXBiden was covering his ass! Period.
The whole damned family would have been implicated. Hunter was the instrument.....the whole family where beneficiaries.....
Look at the dates....
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04 December 2024, 07:08
lavacaThat pardon is so broad there is nothing that's not covered by it except crimes before the effective date and after December 1. So he can't take the Fifth for anything in that period. Can he lie. Yes, and I expect he will. I'm counting on it!. Then prosecute him and don't forget the "big guy".
04 December 2024, 07:13
ANTELOPEDUNDEEquote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
Biden was covering his ass! Period.
The whole damned family would have been implicated. Hunter was the instrument.....the whole family where beneficiaries.....
Look at the dates....
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He might do that by pardoning himself too.
Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit.
04 December 2024, 19:35
Aspen Hill Adventuresquote:
Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Criticize Biden all you want but put in the same situation I think most reasonable parents would do the same thing. At the end of your career, 82 years old in failing health and mental ability and you have the ability to keep your child out of jail with no repercussions to yourself, only a hardened old asshole would not Parden their child.
Except hunter isn't a child and wasn't a child when he participated in the crimes he was charged and convicted of. He should be required to pay all of the back taxes owed.
I don't think this was about hunter though since 0biden ran the pardon to cover a series of years. I think it is to protect his entire family for all the scamming they did. I do think he will issue more related pardons. We'll see.
~Ann
04 December 2024, 20:26
ANTELOPEDUNDEEquote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
quote:
Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Criticize Biden all you want but put in the same situation I think most reasonable parents would do the same thing. At the end of your career, 82 years old in failing health and mental ability and you have the ability to keep your child out of jail with no repercussions to yourself, only a hardened old asshole would not Parden their child.
Except hunter isn't a child and wasn't a child when he participated in the crimes he was charged and convicted of. He should be required to pay all of the back taxes owed.
I don't think this was about hunter though since 0biden ran the pardon to cover a series of years. I think it is to protect his entire family for all the scamming they did. I do think he will issue more related pardons. We'll see.
IIRC he did pay the back taxes. I wonder if Joe was concerned about future YUGE legal bills.
Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit.
06 December 2024, 00:10
MtElkHunterquote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
quote:
Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Criticize Biden all you want but put in the same situation I think most reasonable parents would do the same thing. At the end of your career, 82 years old in failing health and mental ability and you have the ability to keep your child out of jail with no repercussions to yourself, only a hardened old asshole would not Parden their child.
Except hunter isn't a child and wasn't a child when he participated in the crimes he was charged and convicted of. He should be required to pay all of the back taxes owed.
I don't think this was about hunter though since 0biden ran the pardon to cover a series of years. I think it is to protect his entire family for all the scamming they did. I do think he will issue more related pardons. We'll see.
Unless you are a parent you would not understand this. Your kid is still your child, it doesn't matter if they are 10 or 50 they are still your child!
06 December 2024, 00:13
LHeym500Kin is on. President Clinton pardoned his brother.
Presidents have pardon worse.
06 December 2024, 00:17
Jefffivequote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
That pardon is so broad there is nothing that's not covered by it except crimes before the effective date and after December 1. So he can't take the Fifth for anything in that period. Can he lie. Yes, and I expect he will. I'm counting on it!. Then prosecute him and don't forget the "big guy".
You are confusing a pardon with immunity. He can simply answer "Fuck you and all your bird dogs" to every question without legal jeopardy.
"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
06 December 2024, 19:10
Aspen Hill Adventuresquote:
Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
quote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
quote:
Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Criticize Biden all you want but put in the same situation I think most reasonable parents would do the same thing. At the end of your career, 82 years old in failing health and mental ability and you have the ability to keep your child out of jail with no repercussions to yourself, only a hardened old asshole would not Parden their child.
Except hunter isn't a child and wasn't a child when he participated in the crimes he was charged and convicted of. He should be required to pay all of the back taxes owed.
I don't think this was about hunter though since 0biden ran the pardon to cover a series of years. I think it is to protect his entire family for all the scamming they did. I do think he will issue more related pardons. We'll see.
Unless you are a parent you would not understand this. Your kid is still your child, it doesn't matter if they are 10 or 50 they are still your child!
Yes, I get that but you are missing two points. Firstly, 0biden said he would not pardon his 'child' multiple times.
Second, why should anyone get off for crimes they committed just because they are related to a powerful politician? It's a do as I say, not as I do situation. Rather unfair to every other criminal out there.
"No one is above the law". Creepy Joe 0biden (Also said multiple times)
~Ann
06 December 2024, 19:18
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
quote:
Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
quote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
quote:
Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Criticize Biden all you want but put in the same situation I think most reasonable parents would do the same thing. At the end of your career, 82 years old in failing health and mental ability and you have the ability to keep your child out of jail with no repercussions to yourself, only a hardened old asshole would not Parden their child.
Except hunter isn't a child and wasn't a child when he participated in the crimes he was charged and convicted of. He should be required to pay all of the back taxes owed.
I don't think this was about hunter though since 0biden ran the pardon to cover a series of years. I think it is to protect his entire family for all the scamming they did. I do think he will issue more related pardons. We'll see.
Unless you are a parent you would not understand this. Your kid is still your child, it doesn't matter if they are 10 or 50 they are still your child!
Yes, I get that but you are missing two points. Firstly, 0biden said he would not pardon his 'child' multiple times.
Second, why should anyone get off for crimes they committed just because they are related to a powerful politician? It's a do as I say, not as I do situation. Rather unfair to every other criminal out there.
"No one is above the law". Creepy Joe 0biden (Also said multiple times)
Ann,
What about Trump pardoning murderers because Kim Kardashian asked him to??
06 December 2024, 19:33
Aspen Hill Adventuresquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
quote:
Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Criticize Biden all you want but put in the same situation I think most reasonable parents would do the same thing. At the end of your career, 82 years old in failing health and mental ability and you have the ability to keep your child out of jail with no repercussions to yourself, only a hardened old asshole would not Parden their child.
Except hunter isn't a child and wasn't a child when he participated in the crimes he was charged and convicted of. He should be required to pay all of the back taxes owed.
I don't think this was about hunter though since 0biden ran the pardon to cover a series of years. I think it is to protect his entire family for all the scamming they did. I do think he will issue more related pardons. We'll see.
Unless you are a parent you would not understand this. Your kid is still your child, it doesn't matter if they are 10 or 50 they are still your child!
Yes, I get that but you are missing two points. Firstly, 0biden said he would not pardon his 'child' multiple times.
Second, why should anyone get off for crimes they committed just because they are related to a powerful politician? It's a do as I say, not as I do situation. Rather unfair to every other criminal out there.
"No one is above the law". Creepy Joe 0biden (Also said multiple times)
Ann,
What about Trump pardoning murderers because Kim Kardashian asked him to??
I vaguely remember that and if I remember correctly the woman who committed the murder had already spent a very long sentence in prison and was an old woman by the time of her pardon. Right? It's not like she did not have to serve any time like Hunter 0biden. Big difference. Do you agree?
People who commit homicides get varying sentences depending on circumstances. I really have no knowledge of the details of that person's situation other than she did do a lot of time for her crime. I think you can than lawyers and the laws at hand for such stuff though.
In my time as a LEo, I can tell some hideous campfire stories of horrific murders I investigated. A lot of them have been released from prison even though they murdered multiple people.
~Ann
06 December 2024, 20:44
BushPeterWell..at least he did something good for a hunter
07 December 2024, 00:01
MtElkHunterAnn,
While I fully agree with the statement "if you do the crime you do the time", when it comes to politics both sides are guilty. While I do not agree with Biden pardoning Hunter, I find that way less disturbing than Trump pardoning Jan 6th people. Yes Biden said he would not pardon Hunter and then did but then both sides say one thing and do another all the time. I think Trump has the complete corner on the market for lying even though they all do it.
07 December 2024, 01:24
jeffeossoOn pardoning Hunter - a moral man would NOT have pardoned him, but an emotive person would - and that emotive person should be instantly removed from office
07 December 2024, 04:29
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by BushPeter:
Well..at least he did something good for a hunter
Exactly!
Unlike someone else who calls hunting A HORRORR SHOW!
07 December 2024, 04:58
Aspen Hill AdventuresSaeed, my father thinks hunting is a horror show. My mother loves my trophy photos and mounts.
When she was in her early 60's she asked me to teach her to shoot her 10/22. I did and put a scope on it and sighted it in nicely. She was so excited to be able to shoot the muskrats out of her pond. I had to tell her to leave the poor turtles alone though.
My father votes for demoncrats. My mother votes for conservatives.
~Ann
09 December 2024, 10:27
SnavQuestion: Are those pictures I've seen that were on the laptop, real?
Ride hard, shoot straight and speak the truth.
10 December 2024, 18:17
SvinejaktIt`s so strange from an outside perspective that you give this right to a president of a country! Why should any president R or D get to set the law aside for any reason!
10 December 2024, 18:47
LHeym500Our law developed out English Common law.
Traditionally, the King was what we now call the executive and was sovereign. The sovereign had discretion, power to forgive crimes against the state. The monarch was the state/sovereign. We adapted that pier when we created our own Chief Executive. Governor’s acting on behalf of the Sovereign/Monarch had this power. Pardon was well understood when adopted in the Constitution.
That is a thumbnail of why it exists. The King can forgive person to himself which was treason to the state, a President can forgive a gun charge that has already been held unconstitutional in one Fed Circuit committed by his son, or some tax scheme.
If one does not like it, change the Constitution. That would not be very conservative.
My vote would be to retain the power vested in the presidency.
19 December 2024, 18:02
jeffeossohere's all the left crowing "no one is above the law"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbOp1BJMe6s19 December 2024, 18:13
Aspen Hill Adventuresquote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
here's all the left crowing "no one is above the law"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbOp1BJMe6s
Apparently 'they' are.
~Ann
19 December 2024, 19:36
TomPquote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
Our law developed out English Common law.
Traditionally, the King was what we now call the executive and was sovereign. The sovereign had discretion, power to forgive crimes against the state. The monarch was the state/sovereign. We adapted that pier when we created our own Chief Executive. Governor’s acting on behalf of the Sovereign/Monarch had this power. Pardon was well understood when adopted in the Constitution.
That is a thumbnail of why it exists. The King can forgive person to himself which was treason to the state, a President can forgive a gun charge that has already been held unconstitutional in one Fed Circuit committed by his son, or some tax scheme.
If one does not like it, change the Constitution. That would not be very conservative.
My vote would be to retain the power vested in the presidency.
And the Chancery Court, which still exists at least in Delaware...
TomP
Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.
Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)
21 December 2024, 07:41
LHeym500Courts of Chancellery still exist in TN. However, their jurisdiction I bet is sharply redefined, limited to their English Common Law forefathers.