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Why bother if they have zero teeth?

Perry was previously subpoenaed to testify by the Jan. 6 committee but refused to show.
 
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Trump and all those associated are challenging the very foundations of the Rule of Law.

That's clear and all should recognize what's happening.

Some do, and some approve, and some disapprove.

That is the contest.


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Congressional subpoenas are political and have much less power than judicial subopenas (generally because judicial ones need to meet some cause and proof...)

How is it wrong to challenge a subpoena in court? Isn't that due process? Now if after he has lost in court and has no avenue of appeal, he should be thrown in jail if he continues to refuse.

So I don't agree that Perry is "challenging the very foundations of the Rule of Law."

As to Trump, he's using the rule of law to protect himself near as I can see... Its not improving my view of the guy, but its legal. So that also isn't a challenging the very foundation of the rule of law in this country. Is he being hypocritical? Damn straight he is.

But then you are also, since you tend to support the folks that play these games when they are not Republicans...

My view is Trump did do some things that disqualify him to be the POTUS and also that make me refuse to vote for him. My opinion isn't particularly important for the former, but is important for the latter.

He lost my vote and support.

But he hasn't wavered my support for the rule of law. If the DOJ can prove he did what he has been accused of to the level the law requires, he should pay the price.
 
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Doc Butler, you seem to be on a mission to show that the Democrats are no better than the Republicans. That's not much to hang your hat on.

Mostly that's the way I see it too, but there is no Democrat equivalency to January 6 or some of Trump's other antics and treason. So long as most of the GOP supports Trump, none of them will get my vote.
 
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They are worse in many ways.

Trump and his 1/6 shenanigans being a notable exception.

That's why I make the point really... the Dems are not any better, both sides are why the founders put the bill of rights in place. Power corrupts and the government needs limiting or it behaves irresponsibly.
 
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Funny coming from a guy who does not have the right to vote jumping
 
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Congressional subpoenas are political and have much less power than judicial subopenas (generally because judicial ones need to meet some cause and proof...)

How is it wrong to challenge a subpoena in court? Isn't that due process? Now if after he has lost in court and has no avenue of appeal, he should be thrown in jail if he continues to refuse.

So I don't agree that Perry is "challenging the very foundations of the Rule of Law."

As to Trump, he's using the rule of law to protect himself near as I can see... Its not improving my view of the guy, but its legal. So that also isn't a challenging the very foundation of the rule of law in this country. Is he being hypocritical? Damn straight he is.

But then you are also, since you tend to support the folks that play these games when they are not Republicans...

My view is Trump did do some things that disqualify him to be the POTUS and also that make me refuse to vote for him. My opinion isn't particularly important for the former, but is important for the latter.

He lost my vote and support.

But he hasn't wavered my support for the rule of law. If the DOJ can prove he did what he has been accused of to the level the law requires, he should pay the price.


Legally not true. Ask Steve Bannon. All subpoenas can and do get ignored in Court unless the Judge is willing to hold the subpoenaed person in contempt for not showing up. Hardly does such a contempt get issued in state court.

A common misconception is I can subpoena someone to my office. I can only subpoena someone or something to court. To get to court there must be a case already in court.
Google just refused a subpoena in one of my cases. Now, they got a search warrant. How does a state judge in KY hold execs of Google in contempt. He can, but not practical and not going to happen.

Bottom line both Congressional Subpoenas and Court Subpoenas have the same teeth/consequences. It all comes down to who is willing to enforce them.

About half I issue to local law enforcement get ignored.

I also use subpoenas to notify victims of court dates as notification to victims is required by the Kentucky. Most do not appear.
 
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