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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...59ce1af6caa677&ei=42 ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | ||
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While I'm all for bending over the corporations, especially utilities, you do know they'll just bend over the consumer and ultimately get it back, right? Now if they actually locked somebody's ass up, then we'd be getting somewhere. | |||
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Man…that is a complicated case. On one hand we have a company who invested in infrastructure to provide “electricity” to a region. Then we have a natural disaster come along (windstorm) and cause that infrastructure to fail. I am sure it was built to code. Its failure led to a second disaster occurrence — a fire. Now it seems that their alleged fault was that they didn’t cut the power off ahead of the wind storm — an action that would also cause grief and anguish among its customers…maybe potentially life threatening in some instances. Most of the time…power companies are struggling to keep the power “on” in hard times…especially in this day where we are migrating to more and more electricity fueled devices versus fossil-fuel powered. In the Texas winter storm crisis…the companies were alleged negligence for failure to keep power going through the crisis. Buffet (the ultimate owner of Pacific Corp) was quick to criticize how they would have. I am not privy to all of the details. But, once again…I am not sure justice was served by the legal system. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Well, you left a couple of things out...as usual. We don't know if it was built to code because the company destroyed evidence subsequent to the fire relating to that issue. So, there's that... You also failed to mention that the company was told by the Oregon governor's chief of staff and various fire officials to shut down the power because lines were being blown down and were causing fires. The company ignored them. Sounds like they go just what the deserved and that justice was well-served. Especially if you were one of the folks whose loved ones died in the fire or whose houses and property were burned down. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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State inspectors had to sign off in the build. Apparently not: >>>The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission on April 15 gave PacifiCorp 30 days to explain why the commission should not fine the company $42 million for allegedly violating federal reliability standards that led to the setting of a major fire in Utah. The show-cause order (IN21-6) revealed that FERC staff found that the company failed to comply with a mandatory reliability standard pertaining to a transmission line facility ratings methodology. Specifically, staff determined that the majority of PacifiCorp's transmission lines failed to have accurate clearance measurements as required under the National Electric Safety Code, leading to incorrect facility ratings. Staff also claimed that the company was generally aware of those issues in 2007 but failed to adequately address them. And even after PacifiCorp implemented a new facility ratings methodology in 2009 it did not correct the inaccurate clearance measurements until 2017, staff alleged. https://www.spglobal.com/marke...deadly-fire-63704708 -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Mike, You are making part of my point. It is not like these lines were hidden. They were visible for all to see. Guaranteed the state has code and code inspectors. Someone within the state had to sign off that the lines were up to code before transmission could commence. And then…state folks probably drove by these lines daily. If there were obvious issues…why didn’t someone speak up prior to the disaster!? If they weren’t up to code…who’s fault is it? I say both the company and the state. Then the state hung the company out to dry. But, anyone who has a brain should expect that. Corp bad…Gvt good. Not! Government is not your friend. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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"Government is not your friend" depends on who sits behind the lever of control. I am of a mind, ALL Government is bad, ALL the time. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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So, you are an anarchist. The Founders were govt at the time. Were they bad? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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No, but their original intent of how this country worked included men having the integrity to observe many "rules" and to follow them if even by the spirit of the rule. Example of my thinking. 2A, is it absolute? ANY gun, missile, Tank, Howitzer? Maybe by the written word it is, yet I have enough common sense to "get" what they probably intended. That's where the rub is about AR style rifles. In my mind, they are included in their original thinking, yet others don't feel that way. 1A, Should computers be included? Do corporations have 1A rights? Thats the convoluted part of trying to understand the founders thinking. There's a book called The 5000 year leap. In it, it closely examines the founders thinking by examining their notes to each other and includes many of the federalist papers. The balance between Anarchy and Tyranny is slight. Food for thought. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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The state didn't hang them out to dry. A jury of twelve good citizens did. And, by all accounts, it looks like they deserved it. And, you may be right, Lane...the state may have some liability here too. But, most states have immunity for these types of activities. Either they can't be sued or if they can, the damages obtainable are limited. Also, I don't buy the argument that it's the government's obligation to make sure a company complies with the law. There should certainly be enforcement mechanisms but in this case it looks like Pacificcorp was told about the problems as early as 2007 and did nothing to correct it. And, I'm sure the reason for that is that it would have cut into corporate profits to go out and get those electrical lines in compliance in terms of clearances. They chose not to do so and now they're going to pay for it. Or, their insurers will. Or, more likely, the case will get settled during the course of the appeal. Reap what you sow. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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