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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Public funds for religious charter schools in Oklahoma ruled unconstitutional. I'm hoping the ruling stands, parochial schools should not be publicly funded.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/...ing-unconstitutional

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Originally posted by Pa.Frank:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Public funds for religious charter schools in Oklahoma ruled unconstitutional. I'm hoping the ruling stands, parochial schools should not be publicly funded.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/...ing-unconstitutional

I went to a parochial school for 12 years.. my mother was a food service worker and the old man a mechanic, and they managed to put 4 of us through 12 years of private school.
In my circle of friends over the years, those of us that were educated in the parochial school system fared far better than the majority that went through the public school system that my parents paid for on top of our tuition!

Maybe the public school system is better in Oakieville or Hillbillyland, but in Phiadelphia, it most certainly is not.
The bottom line is parents want the best for their kids, and they pay taxes too, so why can't they get a voucher for their choice of schools for an education.

My former boss, a Muslim, sends his kids to a christian school. (something Montesori or other) because it is the best school around, and it ain't cheap. and he pays taxes just like us, so Vouchers or charter parochial schools, I'M ALL FOR IT.

AND AS FAR AS RELIGIOUS INDOCTRINATION, In my grammar school it was a requirement 30 min a day, less in high school..but there were non christians that attended our schools that were exempt from these classes. and that was in the late 1960's!

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

People without children pay those taxes too; it is generally considered to society's benefit to have an educated population.

The lack thereof gives rise to MAGAts and other vermin.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

People without children pay those taxes too; it is generally considered to society's benefit to have an educated population.

The lack thereof gives rise to MAGAts and other vermin.

Weird, i don't see a single person calling for reducing education -- it's almost like you made it up all by yourself..

Say, there jeff, how many kids do you have? Oh, just wondering, as those of with actual experience in the matter SOOOO love parental advice from the childless -- their keen insights and relatable shared experience is so refreshing

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

Say, there jeff, how many kids do you have? Oh, just wondering, as those of with actual experience in the matter SOOOO love parental advice from the childless -- their keen insights and relatable shared experience is so refreshing

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
so, how many kids did you say, again? i must have missed that part --

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Hey Scott. I respect you. In this case, you are meddling. I don't think I can meddle in a public discussion on a public forum. You see, the kleagle DEMANDS Not really possible, I can see Saeed demanding as well as DRG, but it seems impossible for Jeff to demand and if he said as much to me id think him a little silly. military experience to talk about the military, I am asking for his experience in rasing kids, and how many. Fair is fair. I see no requirement for fairness between anonymous participants on a public forum.


Jeff, why are you dodging the question... soldier up and tell us your vast experience in raising kids.

Or we can just assume you are talking out of your armpit

Uhm, I do contribute to fund my local totally volunteer fire department, but thanks for the advice. Worth what you paid for it.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Maybe the answer is to study and model why children who attend private schools are obtaining a better education and apply those standards to public school? BTW- not every private school is parochial. Many are simply set up to create a solid education.

My thoughts on vouchers is, if initiated, and students were allowed a choice it would be similar to a free market. Schools would stop with the fluff and focus on education to get their share. I think it would also cause better pay for teachers and staff as a rule.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Maybe the answer is to study and model why children who attend private schools are obtaining a better education and apply those standards to public school? BTW- not every private school is parochial. Many are simply set up to create a solid education.

My thoughts on vouchers is, if initiated, and students were allowed a choice it would be similar to a free market. Schools would stop with the fluff and focus on education to get their share. I think it would also cause better pay for teachers and staff as a rule.

I think I know, ( I am probably the only one who believes that,)

The parents of children in private schools have them there for the education, not the babysitting, not because the law requires their kids to attend school. The parents are motivated.

The children in private school are at least motivated by their parents and hopefully have their own motivation to excel.

The staff of the private school knows full well they aren't there to provide baby sitting or meet state law requirements. They are there to push their students to excel and have no worry or consideration for apathetic parents, students with behavioral, cognitive, emotional or criminal impairments, nor do they have to give a moments thought to "no child left behind", unreasonable remedial curriculum nor destructive curriculum like Ebonics or LGBTQ,....promotion.

There's a student in my school that has severe intellectual disabilities and is assigned a full time special ed teacher one on one all day. One single student, one well trained, specialized educator, one (their very own,) classroom. The whole and every school year. By the end of this students public education they will have hopefully training them well enough to poop in the toilet most of the time instead of their pants.
If my 1st grader had that focus she'd be speaking Latin. Now.

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Maybe the answer is to study and model why children who attend private schools are obtaining a better education and apply those standards to public school? BTW- not every private school is parochial. Many are simply set up to create a solid education.

My thoughts on vouchers is, if initiated, and students were allowed a choice it would be similar to a free market. Schools would stop with the fluff and focus on education to get their share. I think it would also cause better pay for teachers and staff as a rule.

I think I know, ( I am probably the only one who believes that,)

The parents of children in private schools have them there for the education, not the babysitting, not because the law requires their kids to attend school. The parents are motivated.

The children in private school are at least motivated by their parents and hopefully have their own motivation to excel.

The staff of the private school knows full well they aren't there to provide baby sitting or meet state law requirements. They are there to push their students to excel and have no worry or consideration for apathetic parents, students with behavioral, cognitive, emotional or criminal impairments, nor do they have to give a moments thought to "no child left behind", unreasonable remedial curriculum nor destructive curriculum like Ebonics or LGBTQ,....promotion.

There's a student in my school that has severe intellectual disabilities and is assigned a full time special ed teacher one on one all day. One single student, one well trained, specialized educator, one (their very own,) classroom. The whole and every school year. By the end of this students public education they will have hopefully training them well enough to poop in the toilet most of the time instead of their pants.
If my 1st grader had that focus she'd be speaking Latin. Now.

Scott, I am a public school veteran. When I attended I can assure you we had the the focus on education and not the fluff. In fact, teachers could discipline students 'rigorously' if needed, then we got it again when we got home. That was the extent of 'babysitting'. It's terrible how things changed. Failing students pass to the next grade. No one knows how to spell or speak properly. Nothing seems to be learned, just the fluff is priority. I don't blame people who want to place their children in private, charter or home schools.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
I often wonder if the rage against vouchers is some kind of "unfair outcomes" argument.

So, let's look at facts, in Texas, the "basic allotment" follows the students in attendance, not the total potential of students that COULD go.. so if a parent can afford a private school, the funds aren't allocated to the school district for an empty seat.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
School vouchers are about to become a reality in Texas. Looks like Abbott has the votes.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The Supreme Court ruled last year or the year or the year bf when a state gives non-religious schools vouchers, the state must provide the same vouchers to religious schools.

Justice Alito majority opinion.

Thus, there is merit that the state money provided to non-religious schools must be provided to religious schools.

It's a scam either way, study after study shows that almost all such voucher money goes to those already enrolled in the private schools, so it's not providing "opportunity" to those who can't afford it, it's subsidizing those who can by taking money from public education.

Like Jesus intended...

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I don't really have an issue with the parents deciding where their kid goes to school, and that the tuition assistance goes there.

The public school systems have been getting pretty far afield in what they are "teaching" kids with public funds. Giving the choice back to the parents makes sense to me. Make the parent want to send their kids to a nonreligious school by having it be a better education, and the majority will. Continue holding the majority to kowtow to a very minority opinion, and you will continue to develop demands for students to be free to go elsewhere.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Your vision leaves the children in those districts abandoned for reasons I have done said.

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Originally posted by JTEX:


We have a great governor!!!

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by JTEX:


We have a great governor!!!

You're a moron Jim.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Your vision leaves the children in those districts abandoned for reasons I have done said.

You have "done said"??????

You must be a product of a shitty school system.....

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A Governor who believes he can defy the Supreme Court.

No, he should be impeached on a civilized state.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A Governor who believes he can defy the Supreme Court.

No, he should be impeached on a civilized state.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A Governor who believes he can defy the Supreme Court.

No, he should be impeached on a civilized state.

Thank God, we are not what you think is civilized....

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A Governor who believes he can defy the Supreme Court.

No, he should be impeached on a civilized state.

Thank God, we are not what you think is civilized....

Have I told you where you can stick your God?

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A Governor who believes he can defy the Supreme Court.

No, he should be impeached on a civilized state.

Thank God, we are not what you think is civilized....

Have I told you where you can stick your God?

Steve was unaware at the time, but this was the exact moment the religious war on AR kicked off. Lol

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A Governor who believes he can defy the Supreme Court.

No, he should be impeached on a civilized state.

Thank God, we are not what you think is civilized....

Have I told you where you can stick your God?

Steve was unaware at the time, but this was the exact moment the religious war on AR kicked off. Lol

Not really, these are Christians only when it is convenient. The kind of Christians that support lying, cheating, adultery and more for political gain. White Christian Nationalist are not Christians in my eyes.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

So......sarg....if parents sacrifice to make sure their children have a good education they should still subsidize teachers,unions????

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Your vision leaves the children in those districts abandoned for reasons I have done said.