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24 April 2025, 17:13
LHeym500President Trump is right
Ukraine is going to have to make a territorial concession to end the war this decade.
Ukraine cannot by force expel Russia wo direct military intervention by the West.
Crimea makes the most sense for Ykraine and Russia.
Ukraine cannot expel Russia.
Russia has de facto annexed Crimea and has had Russia all over for a 10 years now.
Russia withdraws from mainland Ukraine and ends hostilities.
The West recognizes Crimea as Russian.
Putin and Russia wo Putin will never give up Crimea. It means too much strategically and historically.
That is the reality on the ground. Either we all go to war now to expel Russia and break the Russian, China, Iranian spheres of influence whatever that looks like and however it ends, or we recognize the reality of Ukraine, Russia, and Crimea.
Now, I do not know what the entirety of the deal is. However, if Ukraine is bucking over Crimea, I would tell Ukraine. That fine, but I will veto any spending that gives you a 22 rimfire cartridge.
This reminds me of the Russo-Japanese War. That ended with negotiations and territorial concession.
24 April 2025, 17:21
Steve BertramMight as well throw Alaska in the deal, after all it was once Russian.
Russia could be expelled from Ukraine; they need the tools to do the job though.
It's not just about Crimnea, Putin wants the four Oblasts in the East as well.
24 April 2025, 17:35
LHeym500When Russia takes Alaska and we are unable to expel it them, or engage in a global order shifting war, I shall agree with you then.
24 April 2025, 17:50
HerrBergThis is bullshit.
Just let Ukraine kill russian and destroy russian property at a high rate, and let the russian economy grind to a halt in a storm of inflation, labor shortage, and the general inability to do anything else than produce misery - their core export commodity.
There are almost no T72's showing up at the contact lines anymore. russian stockpiles are running dry.
The US today consist of hand wringers. And China is watching. The way you treat Ukraine today shows how you will treat Taiwan next year.
The occupied territories are under the heel of russia. Their countrymen who were misfortunate enough to live in the eastern provices will have their kids killed if theis kids should choose to resist the masters assigned to them.
The Soviet Union lost Afghanistan at the height of their power. And the US did too. Because the afghan will to stay in the fight was higher. The lesson is: it's not about the size of the dog in the fight. It's about the size of the fight in the dog.
Two years ago, US aid was critical for Ukraine. Not so much anymore. Drone warfare is cheap. The big risk for Ukraine is not that the US steps out of Ukraine, but that the US lowers the pressure on russia and delaying their economical collapse. Because agent Krasnov, and the meek americans who tolerate the shitshow he has started.
Write hard and clear about what hurts
-E. Hemingway
24 April 2025, 17:52
Steve Bertramquote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
When Russia takes Alaska and we are unable to expel it them, or engage in a global order shifting war, I shall agree with you then.
Until that time I guess we stand down to the Russians and allow them to take over sovereign countries?
Nah, I'll pass on that. We need to stand up to Russian aggression, just the way Reagan did.
24 April 2025, 17:52
Steve Bertramquote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
This is bullshit.
Just let Ukraine kill russian and destroy russian property at a high rate, and let the russian economy grind to a halt in a storm of inflation, labor shortage, and the general inability to do anything else than produce misery - their core export commodity.
There are almost no T72's showing up at the contact lines anymore. russian stockpiles are running dry.
The US today consist of hand wringers. And China is watching. The way you treat Ukraine today shows how you will treat Taiwan next year.
The occupied territories are under the heel of russia. Their countrymen who were misfortunate enough to live in the eastern provices will have their kids killed if theis kids should choose to resist the masters assigned to them.
The Soviet Union lost Afghanistan at the height of their power. And the US did too. Because the afghan will to stay in the fight was higher. The lesson is: it's not about the size of the dog in the fight. It's about the size of the fight in the dog.
Two years ago, US aid was critical for Ukraine. Not so much anymore. Drone warfare is cheap. The big risk for Ukraine is not that the US steps out of Ukraine, but that the US lowers the pressure on russia. Because agent Krasnov, and the meek americans who tolerate the shitshow he has started.
Correct.
24 April 2025, 17:54
LHeym500quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
When Russia takes Alaska and we are unable to expel it them, or engage in a global order shifting war, I shall agree with you then.
Until that time I guess we stand down to the Russians and allow them to take over sovereign countries?
Nah, I'll pass on that. We need to stand up to Russian aggression, just the way Reagan did.
Again, Ukraine do a global power shifting conflict has not and cannot expel Russia from Crimea. They have not done so in 10 years.
24 April 2025, 17:59
HerrBergquote:
We need to stand up to Russian aggression, just the way Reagan did.
The US could power their whole country by connecting a power generator to Ronald Reagan's corpse as it spins in his grave.
Write hard and clear about what hurts
-E. Hemingway
24 April 2025, 18:01
Steve Bertramquote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
When Russia takes Alaska and we are unable to expel it them, or engage in a global order shifting war, I shall agree with you then.
Until that time I guess we stand down to the Russians and allow them to take over sovereign countries?
Nah, I'll pass on that. We need to stand up to Russian aggression, just the way Reagan did.
Again, Ukraine do a global power shifting conflict has not and cannot expel Russia from Crimea. They have not done so in 10 years.
Because they do not have the needed tools.
Pick your poison, fight the Russians now, or wait to and fight the Russians and have a bigger bill to pay. Putin needs to be stopped, not rewarded for bad behavior. If it is time for a global power shifting conflict, then we must meet the challenge. History has taught us that appeasement does not work with a madman like Putin.
24 April 2025, 18:02
Steve Bertramquote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
quote:
We need to stand up to Russian aggression, just the way Reagan did.
The US could power their whole country by connecting a power generator to Ronald Reagan's corpse as it spins in his grave.
Can a dead man puke? If so, poor old Reagan must be choking on vomit after seeing how Trump has betrayed our allies and embraced Russia.
24 April 2025, 18:05
HerrBergquote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
Again, Ukraine do a global power shifting conflict has not and cannot expel Russia from Crimea. They have not done so in 10 years.
The vietnamese could expel the US from Vietnam (and France, China).
The afghans could expel the US and the Soviet Union.
That is just a statement you pulled from your butt. Why should that be true? There were no consequences in 2014. Europe bought oil and gas. Everybody kept russia happy. Economy was booming.
Look at where russia is heading now instead.
The correct question is: can Ukraine expel russians from Crimea, in the midst of a finaincial russian meltdown, ongoing russian civil war, bread riots around the russian cities, and revolting eastern provinces?
Sure they can. Maybe just one of them is enough.
In a fight, you fight without knowing HOW you will win. Stay in the fight and victory is likely to show herself to you. Leave the fight and there is zero chance she will. In the early days of the invasion, NOBODY knew if anybody would come to help. Germany sent 5000 helmets
Write hard and clear about what hurts
-E. Hemingway
24 April 2025, 18:24
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
quote:
We need to stand up to Russian aggression, just the way Reagan did.
The US could power their whole country by connecting a power generator to Ronald Reagan's corpse as it spins in his grave.
Reagan is dead!
Just like any hope of America winning g a war!
Where have you been during the last three wars America started?
On each and everyone of them.
They got their sorry arse handed to them!
Bloody hell, the last one they ran away and left all their military equipment behind!
Whilst Ukraine has the will to fight for their freedom the west should support them in doing so.
Trump was wrong to imply Zelensky started the war.
Trump was wrong to limit intelligence sharing and weapon functionality to try to force Ukraine to do what he told them.
Trump was wrong to humiliate Zelensky at the WH.
Trump was wrong to say he could end the war in 24 hrs
Trump was wrong to put pressure on Ukraine and none on Russia.
24 April 2025, 18:34
HerrBergquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
quote:
We need to stand up to Russian aggression, just the way Reagan did.
The US could power their whole country by connecting a power generator to Ronald Reagan's corpse as it spins in his grave.
Reagan is dead!
Just like any hope of America winning g a war!
Where have you been during the last three wars America started?
On each and everyone of them.
They got their sorry arse handed to them!
Bloody hell, the last one they ran away and left all their military equipment behind!
Well, the US destroyed the Soviet Union without a shot. Total win. But that was another time when there was more resolve than bullshit coming from the white house.
Write hard and clear about what hurts
-E. Hemingway
Can we spell holomodor? I suspect most Ukranians know the word.
Open warfare might cease with a surrender, resistance at some level will not.
Crimea may be lost to Russia, they need a place to park submarines.
The rest of Ukraine will be up in the air.
TomP
Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.
Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)
24 April 2025, 20:41
Mike MitchellIt's not up to trump or us or anybody else other than the Ukrainian people.
Screw the Russians.
24 April 2025, 20:53
LHeym500quote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
Again, Ukraine do a global power shifting conflict has not and cannot expel Russia from Crimea. They have not done so in 10 years.
The vietnamese could expel the US from Vietnam (and France, China).
The afghans could expel the US and the Soviet Union.
That is just a statement you pulled from your butt. Why should that be true? There were no consequences in 2014. Europe bought oil and gas. Everybody kept russia happy. Economy was booming.
Look at where russia is heading now instead.
The correct question is: can Ukraine expel russians from Crimea, in the midst of a finaincial russian meltdown, ongoing russian civil war, bread riots around the russian cities, and revolting eastern provinces?
Sure they can. Maybe just one of them is enough.
In a fight, you fight without knowing HOW you will win. Stay in the fight and victory is likely to show herself to you. Leave the fight and there is zero chance she will. In the early days of the invasion, NOBODY knew if anybody would come to help. Germany sent 5000 helmets
After a decade when we wanted to leave. Political structure in Russia and U.S. are not comparable. Crimea has been de facto Russian for over a decade.
24 April 2025, 20:55
medvedquote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
quote:
We need to stand up to Russian aggression, just the way Reagan did.
The US could power their whole country by connecting a power generator to Ronald Reagan's corpse as it spins in his grave.
Reagan is dead!
Just like any hope of America winning g a war!
Where have you been during the last three wars America started?
On each and everyone of them.
They got their sorry arse handed to them!
Bloody hell, the last one they ran away and left all their military equipment behind!
Well, the US destroyed the Soviet Union without a shot. Total win. But that was another time when there was more resolve than bullshit coming from the white house.
in that equation of the collapse of ussr you forget the vatican and the polish pope
back to soviet union they destroyed it and then created russia ... your country was not interested in joining nato until very recently was wondering why lol ... a weak opponent that is not anymore maybe ...
24 April 2025, 21:24
tomahawker“They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for one's country. But in modern war, there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason.”
24 April 2025, 21:27
Steve Bertramquote:
Originally posted by tomahawker:
“They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for one's country. But in modern war, there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason.”
Might as well roll over on our backs and just become Russian subjects then.....or not.
24 April 2025, 21:41
LongDistanceOperatorEurope is waking up to the fact that Trump and the United States are no longer allies. They are talking about helping Ukraine without us. What did we do? Contacted a country helping Ukraine and ask them to stop. What a fucking disgrace this country has become. I hope the white trash messiah chokes to death on a chicken wing.
24 April 2025, 22:35
Magine EnigamAs I said, Trump is getting people killed by running his mouth and doing things to favor Putin
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...c3ebcf6014f846&ei=24Trump writes ‘Vladimir, STOP!’ after Russia launches deadliest strikes on Kyiv since last summer
Story by Rob Picheta, Svitlana Vlasova, Todd Symons and Victoria Butenko, CNN • 24m • 5 min read
US President Donald Trump said he is “not happy” after Russia launched its deadliest wave of attacks on Kyiv in nine months, telling President Vladimir Putin to “STOP!” as he attempts to push Ukraine to agree on a contentious ceasefire proposal.
Moscow sent 70 missiles and 145 drones toward Ukraine, mainly targeting Kyiv, in an attack that leader Volodymyr Zelensky said was aimed at pressuring the United States.
At least 12 people died in the strikes with 90 injured, according to Ukraine’s emergency services, and more casualties may be trapped under rubble. The emergency services said Moscow’s assault struck 13 locations in Kyiv, including residential buildings and civilian infrastructure.
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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serpDegenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".
Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."
Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.
"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus
24 April 2025, 22:52
Magine EnigamThis was yesterday:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...0c320689aee6b6&ei=24Trump will pay a 'heavy political price' if he abandons Ukraine, WSJ editorial board warns
President Donald Trump slammed Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Wednesday, accusing him of derailing negotiations to end the war in Ukraine while a peace deal was “very close.” Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal editorial board writes Thursday that the president will pay a 'heavy political price' if he abandons Ukraine.
Today:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...818c77c2cece71&ei=99'Vladimir, STOP!' Trump reacts to new Russian strikes on Ukraine
Russia launched its worst attack on Kyiv in months overnight. This comes just hours after President Trump said he thought he had a deal with Russia to end its war in Ukraine. NBC News International Reporter Matt Bodner reports more. USA Today Washington Bureau Chief Susan Page joins Ana Cabrera to discuss the political impact of the conflict on Trump.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...bZ4?ocid=socialshare *************
“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serpDegenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".
Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."
Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.
"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus
24 April 2025, 23:30
ANTELOPEDUNDEEquote:
Originally posted by tomahawker:
“They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for one's country. But in modern war, there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason.”
Just hope the other guy runs out of fodder before you do. Still there's something to be said for being a live coward instead of a dead hero.
Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit.
24 April 2025, 23:50
Scott Kingquote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
quote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
This is bullshit.
Just let Ukraine kill russian and destroy russian property at a high rate, and let the russian economy grind to a halt in a storm of inflation, labor shortage, and the general inability to do anything else than produce misery - their core export commodity.
There are almost no T72's showing up at the contact lines anymore. russian stockpiles are running dry.
The US today consist of hand wringers. And China is watching. The way you treat Ukraine today shows how you will treat Taiwan next year.
The occupied territories are under the heel of russia. Their countrymen who were misfortunate enough to live in the eastern provices will have their kids killed if theis kids should choose to resist the masters assigned to them.
The Soviet Union lost Afghanistan at the height of their power. And the US did too. Because the afghan will to stay in the fight was higher. The lesson is: it's not about the size of the dog in the fight. It's about the size of the fight in the dog.
Two years ago, US aid was critical for Ukraine. Not so much anymore. Drone warfare is cheap. The big risk for Ukraine is not that the US steps out of Ukraine, but that the US lowers the pressure on russia. Because agent Krasnov, and the meek americans who tolerate the shitshow he has started.
Correct.
I don't believe he's entirely correct.
I don't believe Russia lost Afghanistan at its height. Post WW2 was a zenith for the USSR combining the newly won territories and it's educated populace.Russians have no problem with waging war, at that time they were loosing the ability.
Whether America was at its zenith during our tour in Afghanistan is immaterial. We lost there and other places because we lack the will to kill he enemy. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea could all have been pacified then and still today id America had the will to wage war.
In unsurprising fashion, today America, having investing wads and wads of money in Ukraine now wants to walk off on the investment. Vlad is nothing but bad and useless/ valueless to anyone other than himself and there's all the reasons for America to push Vlad out the door.
We lack the will to see a task through despite the cost. Again we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
25 April 2025, 00:15
TumbleweedFunny, ain’t it?
The Americans boast about being the world’s policeman and bringing ‘Freedom & Liberty!’ to all the world’s oppressed - except when Putin is the criminal, then it’s ’Not our business! Ukraine should concede!”
And of course, Trump would deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for inducing a victim to concede to a tyrant.
25 April 2025, 01:08
Magine EnigamI started this video link at a spot I found interesting:
https://youtu.be/eLmufYfWG-4?s..._9AiqpxW6UYB7S&t=149What does an alliance between Trump and Putin really mean? | LBC
President Donald Trump says Volodymyr Zelenskyy is prolonging the “killing field” after pushing back on ceding Crimea to Russia as part of a potential peace plan. In response, US vice president JD Vance has said Moscow and Kyiv must strike a deal to end the war in Ukraine or the US will "walk away".
https://youtu.be/JQLDrs_orKg?si=YL2z0b4HzAqFhDT5Trump's in 'cahoots with Putin'
https://youtu.be/WbU2Vj98fGc?si=X9wpDsbq8DGLqS7bMAGA - Moscow Agent Governing America
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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serpDegenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".
Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."
Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.
"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus
25 April 2025, 02:32
crbutlerThis is something of a debate about realpolitik and what is right.
I agree that Ukraine having its agreed upon historic borders is “right” but is it practical?
Russia is bigger. They have placed ethnic Russians on the ground in Crimea. Trying to revert to Ukrainian sovereignty is likely to be something that generates continued tension in Crimea, regardless. I don’t know that the Ukrainians regardless of western weapons and money are going to be able to bleed Russia enough for the average Russian to agree with giving up their only warm water port.
I don’t know that the Russians can convince the Ukrainians that Crimea is part of Russia, but I do think numbers will tell in the end, and the west (even the Eastern European NATO members) are not interested in actually sending troops in and widening the war just to get Crimea back in Ukrainian sovereignty.
The part that Trump is missing is that both sides need to want to end the war for it to end. Right now, both sides are too far apart as to what is acceptable for meaningful peace negotiations.
Is our giving weapons enough to shift that? I don’t know.
I can see Scott’s point of view that pouring more money in doesn’t serve us directly, and is unlikely to end this anytime soon… and it does risk us getting in the position where we get pushed into fighting because we get the in a position that we can’t back away.
What I worry most about is that we commit to Ukraine and thus become unable to deal with Chinese aggression due to over commitment. I do think that Peking is playing this much more than the Europeans admit and they definitely see Putin as a more direct threat now than the Chicoms, while to the US, China is really the only real potential existential threat.
25 April 2025, 03:45
theback40People need to remember.
Putin agreeing to a peace deal, and following through with it, are two different things.
25 April 2025, 05:02
medvedquote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
This is something of a debate about realpolitik and what is right.
I agree that Ukraine having its agreed upon historic borders is “right” but is it practical?
Russia is bigger. They have placed ethnic Russians on the ground in Crimea. Trying to revert to Ukrainian sovereignty is likely to be something that generates continued tension in Crimea, regardless. I don’t know that the Ukrainians regardless of western weapons and money are going to be able to bleed Russia enough for the average Russian to agree with giving up their only warm water port.
I don’t know that the Russians can convince the Ukrainians that Crimea is part of Russia, but I do think numbers will tell in the end, and the west (even the Eastern European NATO members) are not interested in actually sending troops in and widening the war just to get Crimea back in Ukrainian sovereignty.
The part that Trump is missing is that both sides need to want to end the war for it to end. Right now, both sides are too far apart as to what is acceptable for meaningful peace negotiations.
Is our giving weapons enough to shift that? I don’t know.
I can see Scott’s point of view that pouring more money in doesn’t serve us directly, and is unlikely to end this anytime soon… and it does risk us getting in the position where we get pushed into fighting because we get the in a position that we can’t back away.
What I worry most about is that we commit to Ukraine and thus become unable to deal with Chinese aggression due to over commitment. I do think that Peking is playing this much more than the Europeans admit and they definitely see Putin as a more direct threat now than the Chicoms, while to the US, China is really the only real potential existential threat.
accepting that one country can remove part of her land even wrongly done will be a premiere and will not end well ...
when the same will be done on palestinian soil you will understand what i wrote ...
now your president is supporting putin agression/war against ukraine and the ukrainians and expansionism and you are trying to find escuse to that because this is not a problem for usa ...
that is exactly the problem you have now and your country has no more allies ...
25 April 2025, 05:21
Scott KingMaybe I worded it poorly, but I meant to say that we should follow through with our commitment and previous support for Ukraine.
The time for consideration is past. We made the commitment and before Trump was elected we were all led to believe Vlad was in serious trouble, which was at least not bad for the West.
Regardless our allies, I think it'd be advantageous for the US to push Vlad over the edge.
I agree that we should continue our military support for Ukraine.... With full accountability...... As long as European countries meet or exceed our contributions.
Europe and their bullshit has led to TWO world wars....wars that never threatened our shores! And we had to involve American blood and treasure to resolve.
Europe needs to pull their frieght!!!
We need to be the last resort, we have enough of our own problems
25 April 2025, 09:03
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
Europe is waking up to the fact that Trump and the United States are no longer allies. They are talking about helping Ukraine without us. What did we do? Contacted a country helping Ukraine and ask them to stop. What a fucking disgrace this country has become. I hope the white trash messiah chokes to death on a chicken wing.
It will be a BIG MAC!
The MAGA FUCKWIT love BIG MAC!
25 April 2025, 16:37
Steve Bertramquote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
I agree that we should continue our military support for Ukraine.... With full accountability...... As long as European countries meet or exceed our contributions.
Europe and their bullshit has led to TWO world wars....wars that never threatened our shores! Have you heard of Pearl Harbor? My God, you are a dumbass. And we had to involve American blood and treasure to resolve.
Europe needs to pull their frieght!!!
We need to be the last resort, we have enough of our own problems
25 April 2025, 18:43
LHeym500Yeah, Hitler declared war on the US. The U.S. declared war on Japan.
The reason Hitler did that is he thought he had a mutual defense pact w Japan. Hitler’s declaration of war was designed to trigger that pact brining Japan into the War w Russia.
I guess we should just let Hitler declare war so a response.
25 April 2025, 18:56
Tumbleweedquote:
Originally posted by theback40:
People need to remember.
Putin agreeing to a peace deal, and following through with it, are two different things.
True. And then there’s Trump who never honors commitments or agreements, so a deal that involves those two should be a quite a shit show.
25 April 2025, 20:44
medvedquote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
Yeah, Hitler declared war on the US. The U.S. declared war on Japan.
The reason Hitler did that is he thought he had a mutual defense pact w Japan. Hitler’s declaration of war was designed to trigger that pact brining Japan into the War w Russia.
I guess we should just let Hitler declare war so a response.
you had your history wrong ... pearl harbor 7th, japan war declaration against usa and uk later the 7th, in return usa and uk declared war to japan on the 8th then germany and italy declare war to usa on the 11th ...
26 April 2025, 07:58
LHeym500Confound it msn. No I don’t. The US declaration of war was on Japan. We did not declare against Germany.
Hitler declared war on us. The resin bring for what I stated above.
Even in your own post, you do not contradict my history.
The IS declared war on Japan. We did not do so on Germany. Hitler did so for the reason given.
26 April 2025, 09:31
medvedquote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
Confound it msn. No I don’t. The US declaration of war was on Japan. We did not declare against Germany.
Hitler declared war on us. The resin bring for what I stated above.
Even in your own post, you do not contradict my history.
The IS declared war on Japan. We did not do so on Germany. Hitler did so for the reason given.
timeframe is what is posted i thought you had that part wrong.
and as a matter of fact your country declared as well to germany ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...war_on_Germany_(1941)
after germany did so.
26 April 2025, 09:37
LHeym500Dude your wiki link is dead
Anyway the US Declaration war on Germany after, after Germany declared war on us.
The Declaration of War on December 7, did not include Germany.
We then decided to send 80 percent of the War effort to Europe and 20 percent to the Pacific. Think about that. The U.S. fought the War in the Pacific on a budget.