quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
I suppose those voting for Kamala as so intelligent they compete with home grown carrots??

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
From a post-debate You Gov poll. Staggeringly stupid.
Off a bit, yes. Totally off base? I don’t know.


>>A majority of Trump supporters say they believe the claim about Haitian migrants “abducting and eating pet dogs and cats.” Excluding those who are “not sure,” twice as many say it’s at least “probably true” as say it’s at least “probably false.” (There remains no real evidence for this claim. Officials have debunked it and linked it to threats, and Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine on Sunday called it “a piece of garbage that was simply not true.”)
If I had to say, I suspect it’s true. I know that a Chinese restaurant that I used to go to got put out of business for roadkill meat including cats/dogs. Given there was a photo of a guy with a Canada goose, it wouldn’t surprise me. After being in Africa and seeing what protein hungry folks will eat, it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if they have/done so. You very well know that proving a negative is impossible, and the cities involved have a very strong reason to deny it happening.

More than 4 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe that “in some states it is legal to kill a baby after birth” — another claim Trump referenced at last week’s debate. In fact, slightly more said they believed this was true than disbelieved it. (It is false.)

Again, confusing late term abortions with infanticide isn’t too unusual. Trump certainly was wrong, but it’s not unusual for him.

Nearly 3 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe that “public schools are providing students with sex-change operations,” something Trump has recently suggested is happening but for which there is no evidence.

Is providing a referral to a gender dysphoria specialist “providing sex change operations”? Technically not, but if they refer the kid and it’s in one of the states that have passed laws that don’t require the parent be informed, is that close enough?

And 8 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe Venezuela is “deliberately sending people from prisons and mental institutions” to the United States. (There is no evidence that Venezuela or any other country is doing this, and Trump has used bad data to support his claim.)
The claims about Haitian migrants, post-birth executions and sex changes at school are actually some of the least pervasive. But the other claims that Trump supporters believe are more about statistics than ridiculous assertions.

You do realize that Cuba did do that, and that Venezuela is in a major crisis? I would not be surprised if it happens, even though I have no proof that it has.

For example, three-quarters say they believe the United States has given more aid to Ukraine than all of Europe combined (false) But we have given about as much, at least it’s close… assuming we are talking military aid. , 7 in 10 say they believe millions of undocumented immigrants are arriving every month (false) But it’s within an order of magnitude of that. , and 7 in 10 say they believe inflation is at its highest rate ever (not true today or at any point in recent years). True. It was in the 20% range in the 1920’s… but that would be apples to oranges as they removed food from the CPI as it was “too volatile” during (IIRC) Obama’s term in office. It certainly has been at a historic high, and it’s undoubtedly the worst it’s been in the majority of the populations working lifetime.

Americans of all political stripes have a long history of getting such data points wrong and exaggerating perceived problems, especially on the economy. So what’s really striking about the new numbers is how much Trump’s conspiracy theories have caught on.

The numbers on those counts aren’t terribly surprising in context, given the many false things Trump supporters have convinced themselves of in recent years. For example, most Republicans have told pollsters that Trump didn’t try to overturn the 2020 election, that Trump didn’t have classified documents at Mar-a-Lago and that Trump’s offices were wiretapped during the 2016 election. And of course there is the 2020 stolen-election claim that as many as two-thirds of Republicans have believed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...st-haitian-migrants/

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
From a post-debate You Gov poll. Staggeringly stupid.
Off a bit, yes. Totally off base? I don’t know.


>>A majority of Trump supporters say they believe the claim about Haitian migrants “abducting and eating pet dogs and cats.” Excluding those who are “not sure,” twice as many say it’s at least “probably true” as say it’s at least “probably false.” (There remains no real evidence for this claim. Officials have debunked it and linked it to threats, and Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine on Sunday called it “a piece of garbage that was simply not true.”)
If I had to say, I suspect it’s true. I know that a Chinese restaurant that I used to go to got put out of business for roadkill meat including cats/dogs. Given there was a photo of a guy with a Canada goose, it wouldn’t surprise me. After being in Africa and seeing what protein hungry folks will eat, it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if they have/done so. You very well know that proving a negative is impossible, and the cities involved have a very strong reason to deny it happening.

More than 4 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe that “in some states it is legal to kill a baby after birth” — another claim Trump referenced at last week’s debate. In fact, slightly more said they believed this was true than disbelieved it. (It is false.)

Again, confusing late term abortions with infanticide isn’t too unusual. Trump certainly was wrong, but it’s not unusual for him.

Nearly 3 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe that “public schools are providing students with sex-change operations,” something Trump has recently suggested is happening but for which there is no evidence.

Is providing a referral to a gender dysphoria specialist “providing sex change operations”? Technically not, but if they refer the kid and it’s in one of the states that have passed laws that don’t require the parent be informed, is that close enough?

And 8 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe Venezuela is “deliberately sending people from prisons and mental institutions” to the United States. (There is no evidence that Venezuela or any other country is doing this, and Trump has used bad data to support his claim.)
The claims about Haitian migrants, post-birth executions and sex changes at school are actually some of the least pervasive. But the other claims that Trump supporters believe are more about statistics than ridiculous assertions.

You do realize that Cuba did do that, and that Venezuela is in a major crisis? I would not be surprised if it happens, even though I have no proof that it has.

For example, three-quarters say they believe the United States has given more aid to Ukraine than all of Europe combined (false) But we have given about as much, at least it’s close… assuming we are talking military aid. , 7 in 10 say they believe millions of undocumented immigrants are arriving every month (false) But it’s within an order of magnitude of that. , and 7 in 10 say they believe inflation is at its highest rate ever (not true today or at any point in recent years). True. It was in the 20% range in the 1920’s… but that would be apples to oranges as they removed food from the CPI as it was “too volatile” during (IIRC) Obama’s term in office. It certainly has been at a historic high, and it’s undoubtedly the worst it’s been in the majority of the populations working lifetime.

Americans of all political stripes have a long history of getting such data points wrong and exaggerating perceived problems, especially on the economy. So what’s really striking about the new numbers is how much Trump’s conspiracy theories have caught on.

The numbers on those counts aren’t terribly surprising in context, given the many false things Trump supporters have convinced themselves of in recent years. For example, most Republicans have told pollsters that Trump didn’t try to overturn the 2020 election, that Trump didn’t have classified documents at Mar-a-Lago and that Trump’s offices were wiretapped during the 2016 election. And of course there is the 2020 stolen-election claim that as many as two-thirds of Republicans have believed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...st-haitian-migrants/

If you get to define the terms of the debate, you can get some pretty odd results.

Again, it would not surprise me that Haitian immigrants are eating things that I would not, and are likely violating a number of laws (especially game laws) and ordinances to do so. Was Trump being disingenuous with the facts for political reasons… absolutely. So are the folks saying “there is no evidence at all”. Did Vance say something he thought couldn’t be disproved for political gain? Yes.

Saying that they are overstating the number of illegals is asinine. Firstly, they shouldn’t be here, secondly they are illegal. The best they have is an estimate. Is the right’s claim too high? I’m sure it is. But I also think that the “official” estimate is probably too low.

Countries that don’t like us do dump problem cases on us. I really doubt that you can prove that folks who have been in prison or a mental health hospital are not coming here from Venezuela either.

The Biden/Harris “it’s not the worst” argument is pure sophistry. It’s very bad. Arguing that it’s not the worst when it is the worst in most workers lifetime is playing games, and you know it.

Why are we so fertile a ground for conspiracies? Probably because people know that the press and the government lie to them for their own reasons with regularity and with no consequences.

I know that Haitian legal immigrants are no worse than any other group of immigrants, but they undoubtedly have some customs and behaviors I don’t participate in. That you deny they do some things that their neighbors dislike and try to say they don’t makes the divide wider. Do they kidnap their neighbors pets and eat them? I doubt it, and if they did that would be on the pet owner for not controlling their animal.

Your argument on illegals coming to the country smacks of denying there is a problem. I’d say millions of illegals daily is closer to reality than “there really isn’t a problem here…”

Are there bad apples in the illegal immigrant population? We all know there are. How many? Who knows… but any is too many.


You really want to claim inflation isn’t an issue?

This is the way the left treats legitimate issues from the right… deny, minimize, and claim the other side is lying.

Are the specific complaints hyperbolic? Absolutely. It’s not good for the body politic to debate this way… but look at your source. It’s also hyperbolically claiming that the GOP is a bunch of stupid clowns. Potato/potatoe.

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You really want to claim inflation isn’t an issue?

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Originally posted by wymple:

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You really want to claim inflation isn’t an issue?

I believe inflation for August was 2%, with the year looking like 2.6%. And the fed likes it that way. A lot of the inflation we had after covid wasn't inflation, it was greed. Corporate execs have admitted it. It should not be an issue in this election. Unless you think 2.9 million in job losses under trump should also be an issue.

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I’d say millions of illegals daily is closer to reality

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Doc

I continue to be shocked by your total lack of grounding in reality and even remote possibility. I really worry about you and what alternative reality you are floating in.

Just look at what you posted. "Millions of illegals each day"!!! REALLY? Let us say a minimum of 2 million a day! So that makes it 730 million a year! So you are claiming that the US has 2.555 BILLION illegals in the last 3.5 years because of Biden Administration's failure to control the border. That is the MINIMUM according to your claim. It could be 4 or 5 BILLION!

You sound like one of the bottom 5% when you make such claims.


Doc butler said

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I’d say millions of illegals daily is closer to reality

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Keep talking that way and don’t be surprised by what happens.

2.4% is the core PCE inflation for August on an annualized basis.

The CPI inflation was 3.5%.

The difference is PCE excludes food and energy costs. The average person doesn’t keep up on month-to-month inflation. They look at what the have to pay now compared to what they are used to… and we still aren’t used to current prices.

You want to blame CEO’s and greed? Fine. But if the government and the media hadn’t been playing games, there might well have been a bunch of folks who got fired when other businesses got all the business because they didn’t play games.

Seems there are antitrust laws about collusion in price setting… why has your hero Garland not done anything there? Instead we have how many investigations/trials related to Trump and his bad behavior.

You need to think a bit. Inflation is cumulative. Lots of things are up around 30% from 2021.

Yes, the fed now likes 2% inflation. Of course, not that long ago (historically) they wanted it kept at 0.

As to jobs, yes Trump going along with all the Covid restrictions resulted in his having a huge drop in employment. That is on him. It makes Biden’s increase less on him.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
I suppose those voting for Kamala as so intelligent they compete with home grown carrots??

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
I suppose those voting for Kamala as so intelligent they compete with home grown carrots??

They're at least smart enough to not vote for Trump.

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
From a post-debate You Gov poll. Staggeringly stupid.
Off a bit, yes. Totally off base? I don’t know.


>>A majority of Trump supporters say they believe the claim about Haitian migrants “abducting and eating pet dogs and cats.” Excluding those who are “not sure,” twice as many say it’s at least “probably true” as say it’s at least “probably false.” (There remains no real evidence for this claim. Officials have debunked it and linked it to threats, and Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine on Sunday called it “a piece of garbage that was simply not true.”)
If I had to say, I suspect it’s true. I know that a Chinese restaurant that I used to go to got put out of business for roadkill meat including cats/dogs. Given there was a photo of a guy with a Canada goose, it wouldn’t surprise me. After being in Africa and seeing what protein hungry folks will eat, it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if they have/done so. You very well know that proving a negative is impossible, and the cities involved have a very strong reason to deny it happening.

More than 4 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe that “in some states it is legal to kill a baby after birth” — another claim Trump referenced at last week’s debate. In fact, slightly more said they believed this was true than disbelieved it. (It is false.)

Again, confusing late term abortions with infanticide isn’t too unusual. Trump certainly was wrong, but it’s not unusual for him.

Nearly 3 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe that “public schools are providing students with sex-change operations,” something Trump has recently suggested is happening but for which there is no evidence.

Is providing a referral to a gender dysphoria specialist “providing sex change operations”? Technically not, but if they refer the kid and it’s in one of the states that have passed laws that don’t require the parent be informed, is that close enough?

And 8 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe Venezuela is “deliberately sending people from prisons and mental institutions” to the United States. (There is no evidence that Venezuela or any other country is doing this, and Trump has used bad data to support his claim.)
The claims about Haitian migrants, post-birth executions and sex changes at school are actually some of the least pervasive. But the other claims that Trump supporters believe are more about statistics than ridiculous assertions.

You do realize that Cuba did do that, and that Venezuela is in a major crisis? I would not be surprised if it happens, even though I have no proof that it has.

For example, three-quarters say they believe the United States has given more aid to Ukraine than all of Europe combined (false) But we have given about as much, at least it’s close… assuming we are talking military aid. , 7 in 10 say they believe millions of undocumented immigrants are arriving every month (false) But it’s within an order of magnitude of that. , and 7 in 10 say they believe inflation is at its highest rate ever (not true today or at any point in recent years). True. It was in the 20% range in the 1920’s… but that would be apples to oranges as they removed food from the CPI as it was “too volatile” during (IIRC) Obama’s term in office. It certainly has been at a historic high, and it’s undoubtedly the worst it’s been in the majority of the populations working lifetime.

Americans of all political stripes have a long history of getting such data points wrong and exaggerating perceived problems, especially on the economy. So what’s really striking about the new numbers is how much Trump’s conspiracy theories have caught on.

The numbers on those counts aren’t terribly surprising in context, given the many false things Trump supporters have convinced themselves of in recent years. For example, most Republicans have told pollsters that Trump didn’t try to overturn the 2020 election, that Trump didn’t have classified documents at Mar-a-Lago and that Trump’s offices were wiretapped during the 2016 election. And of course there is the 2020 stolen-election claim that as many as two-thirds of Republicans have believed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...st-haitian-migrants/

If you get to define the terms of the debate, you can get some pretty odd results.

Again, it would not surprise me that Haitian immigrants are eating things that I would not, and are likely violating a number of laws (especially game laws) and ordinances to do so. Was Trump being disingenuous with the facts for political reasons… absolutely. So are the folks saying “there is no evidence at all”. Did Vance say something he thought couldn’t be disproved for political gain? Yes.

Saying that they are overstating the number of illegals is asinine. Firstly, they shouldn’t be here, secondly they are illegal. The best they have is an estimate. Is the right’s claim too high? I’m sure it is. But I also think that the “official” estimate is probably too low.

Countries that don’t like us do dump problem cases on us. I really doubt that you can prove that folks who have been in prison or a mental health hospital are not coming here from Venezuela either.

The Biden/Harris “it’s not the worst” argument is pure sophistry. It’s very bad. Arguing that it’s not the worst when it is the worst in most workers lifetime is playing games, and you know it.

Why are we so fertile a ground for conspiracies? Probably because people know that the press and the government lie to them for their own reasons with regularity and with no consequences.

I know that Haitian legal immigrants are no worse than any other group of immigrants, but they undoubtedly have some customs and behaviors I don’t participate in. That you deny they do some things that their neighbors dislike and try to say they don’t makes the divide wider. Do they kidnap their neighbors pets and eat them? I doubt it, and if they did that would be on the pet owner for not controlling their animal.

Your argument on illegals coming to the country smacks of denying there is a problem. I’d say millions of illegals daily is closer to reality than “there really isn’t a problem here…”

Are there bad apples in the illegal immigrant population? We all know there are. How many? Who knows… but any is too many.


You really want to claim inflation isn’t an issue?

This is the way the left treats legitimate issues from the right… deny, minimize, and claim the other side is lying.

Are the specific complaints hyperbolic? Absolutely. It’s not good for the body politic to debate this way… but look at your source. It’s also hyperbolically claiming that the GOP is a bunch of stupid clowns. Potato/potatoe.

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Originally posted by wymple:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Keep talking that way and don’t be surprised by what happens.

2.4% is the core PCE inflation for August on an annualized basis.

The CPI inflation was 3.5%.

The difference is PCE excludes food and energy costs. The average person doesn’t keep up on month-to-month inflation. They look at what the have to pay now compared to what they are used to… and we still aren’t used to current prices.

You want to blame CEO’s and greed? Fine. But if the government and the media hadn’t been playing games, there might well have been a bunch of folks who got fired when other businesses got all the business because they didn’t play games.

Seems there are antitrust laws about collusion in price setting… why has your hero Garland not done anything there? Instead we have how many investigations/trials related to Trump and his bad behavior.

You need to think a bit. Inflation is cumulative. Lots of things are up around 30% from 2021.

Yes, the fed now likes 2% inflation. Of course, not that long ago (historically) they wanted it kept at 0.

As to jobs, yes Trump going along with all the Covid restrictions resulted in his having a huge drop in employment. That is on him. It makes Biden’s increase less on him.

Bullshit. I live on a fixed income, pension + SS. My pension doesn't even get COLA. I live about the same as I did 4 years ago, my wife & I like fast food to a point & we eat out almost daily, I go wherever I want & do whatever I like.

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
From a post-debate You Gov poll. Staggeringly stupid.
Off a bit, yes. Totally off base? I don’t know.


>>A majority of Trump supporters say they believe the claim about Haitian migrants “abducting and eating pet dogs and cats.” Excluding those who are “not sure,” twice as many say it’s at least “probably true” as say it’s at least “probably false.” (There remains no real evidence for this claim. Officials have debunked it and linked it to threats, and Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine on Sunday called it “a piece of garbage that was simply not true.”)
If I had to say, I suspect it’s true. I know that a Chinese restaurant that I used to go to got put out of business for roadkill meat including cats/dogs. Given there was a photo of a guy with a Canada goose, it wouldn’t surprise me. After being in Africa and seeing what protein hungry folks will eat, it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if they have/done so. You very well know that proving a negative is impossible, and the cities involved have a very strong reason to deny it happening.

The picture of the guy carrying the two geese was in Columbus, not Springfield, and according to the Ohio Wildlife Department they were hit by a car.

More than 4 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe that “in some states it is legal to kill a baby after birth” — another claim Trump referenced at last week’s debate. In fact, slightly more said they believed this was true than disbelieved it. (It is false.)

Again, confusing late term abortions with infanticide isn’t too unusual. Trump certainly was wrong, but it’s not unusual for him.

No, he wasn't "wrong", he lied. He knows, or should know if he's the Republican Nominee, that killing a baby after it's born is murder in every State and Territory.

Nearly 3 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe that “public schools are providing students with sex-change operations,” something Trump has recently suggested is happening but for which there is no evidence.

Is providing a referral to a gender dysphoria specialist “providing sex change operations”? Technically not, but if they refer the kid and it’s in one of the states that have passed laws that don’t require the parent be informed, is that close enough?

"Technically" my ass, it's not in any sense the same thing.

And 8 in 10 Trump supporters say they believe Venezuela is “deliberately sending people from prisons and mental institutions” to the United States. (There is no evidence that Venezuela or any other country is doing this, and Trump has used bad data to support his claim.)
The claims about Haitian migrants, post-birth executions and sex changes at school are actually some of the least pervasive. But the other claims that Trump supporters believe are more about statistics than ridiculous assertions.

You do realize that Cuba did do that, and that Venezuela is in a major crisis? I would not be surprised if it happens, even though I have no proof that it has.

Neither does Trump, he's lying.

For example, three-quarters say they believe the United States has given more aid to Ukraine than all of Europe combined (false) But we have given about as much, at least it’s close… assuming we are talking military aid. , 7 in 10 say they believe millions of undocumented immigrants are arriving every month (false) But it’s within an order of magnitude of that. , and 7 in 10 say they believe inflation is at its highest rate ever (not true today or at any point in recent years). True. It was in the 20% range in the 1920’s… but that would be apples to oranges as they removed food from the CPI as it was “too volatile” during (IIRC) Obama’s term in office. It certainly has been at a historic high, and it’s undoubtedly the worst it’s been in the majority of the populations working lifetime.

Americans of all political stripes have a long history of getting such data points wrong and exaggerating perceived problems, especially on the economy. So what’s really striking about the new numbers is how much Trump’s conspiracy theories have caught on.

The numbers on those counts aren’t terribly surprising in context, given the many false things Trump supporters have convinced themselves of in recent years. For example, most Republicans have told pollsters that Trump didn’t try to overturn the 2020 election, that Trump didn’t have classified documents at Mar-a-Lago and that Trump’s offices were wiretapped during the 2016 election. And of course there is the 2020 stolen-election claim that as many as two-thirds of Republicans have believed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...st-haitian-migrants/

If you get to define the terms of the debate, you can get some pretty odd results.

Again, it would not surprise me that Haitian immigrants are eating things that I would not, and are likely violating a number of laws (especially game laws) and ordinances to do so. Was Trump being disingenuous with the facts for political reasons… absolutely. No, he lied. So are the folks saying “there is no evidence at all”. Did Vance say something he thought couldn’t be disproved for political gain? Yes. He lied.

Saying that they are overstating the number of illegals is asinine. Firstly, they shouldn’t be here, secondly they are illegal. No, they aren't, they are legal with work permits and were welcomed by the employers of Springfield and, according to those employers, are excellent workers. The best they have is an estimate. Is the right’s claim too high? I’m sure it is. But I also think that the “official” estimate is probably too low.

Countries that don’t like us do dump problem cases on us. I really doubt that you can prove that folks who have been in prison or a mental health hospital are not coming here from Venezuela either. I would have thought that at some point during your vast education they would have mentioned that you can't prove a negative.

The Biden/Harris “it’s not the worst” argument is pure sophistry. It’s very bad. Arguing that it’s not the worst when it is the worst in most workers lifetime is playing games, and you know it.

Why are we so fertile a ground for conspiracies? Probably because people know that the press and the government lie to them for their own reasons with regularity and with no consequences.

I know that Haitian legal immigrants are no worse than any other group of immigrants, but they undoubtedly have some customs and behaviors I don’t participate in. I feel that way about Christians, the whole ritualistic cannibalism thing just freaks me the fuck out. That you deny they do some things that their neighbors dislike and try to say they don’t makes the divide wider. When my neighbors do things I don't like I talk to them like adults, then drop them in a swamp if they keep doing it. I don't make bomb threats against elementary schools like MAGAts. Do they kidnap their neighbors pets and eat them? I doubt it, and if they did that would be on the pet owner for not controlling their animal.

Your argument on illegals coming to the country smacks of denying there is a problem. I’d say millions of illegals daily is closer to reality than “there really isn’t a problem here…”

Are there bad apples in the illegal immigrant population? We all know there are. How many? Who knows… but any is too many.


You really want to claim inflation isn’t an issue?

This is the way the left treats legitimate issues from the right… deny, minimize, and claim the other side is lying. The usual response to a history of lying about everything.

Are the specific complaints hyperbolic? Absolutely. No, they are lies, fabricated from thin air. It’s not good for the body politic to debate this way… but look at your source. It’s also hyperbolically claiming that the GOP is a bunch of stupid clowns. Potato/potatoe.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
You must eat pretty odd fast food as even McDonald’s is hurting due to price increases… if you believe them.

I suppose you could be correct if you have downgraded your desires and never were spending your entire income before.

But per Newsweek, McDonalds prices have gone up 141% in the last 5 years.

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Originally posted by wymple:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Keep talking that way and don’t be surprised by what happens.

2.4% is the core PCE inflation for August on an annualized basis.

The CPI inflation was 3.5%.

The difference is PCE excludes food and energy costs. The average person doesn’t keep up on month-to-month inflation. They look at what the have to pay now compared to what they are used to… and we still aren’t used to current prices.

You want to blame CEO’s and greed? Fine. But if the government and the media hadn’t been playing games, there might well have been a bunch of folks who got fired when other businesses got all the business because they didn’t play games.

Seems there are antitrust laws about collusion in price setting… why has your hero Garland not done anything there? Instead we have how many investigations/trials related to Trump and his bad behavior.

You need to think a bit. Inflation is cumulative. Lots of things are up around 30% from 2021.

Yes, the fed now likes 2% inflation. Of course, not that long ago (historically) they wanted it kept at 0.

As to jobs, yes Trump going along with all the Covid restrictions resulted in his having a huge drop in employment. That is on him. It makes Biden’s increase less on him.

Bullshit. I live on a fixed income, pension + SS. My pension doesn't even get COLA. I live about the same as I did 4 years ago, my wife & I like fast food to a point & we eat out almost daily, I go wherever I want & do whatever I like.

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Originally posted by sjr:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I suppose those voting for Kamala as so intelligent they compete with home grown carrots??

They're at least smart enough to not vote for Trump.

So voting for Camelo Toe is what ???????????

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
You must eat pretty odd fast food as even McDonald’s is hurting due to price increases… if you believe them.

I suppose you could be correct if you have downgraded your desires and never were spending your entire income before.

But per Newsweek, McDonalds prices have gone up 141% in the last 5 years.

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Keep talking that way and don’t be surprised by what happens.

2.4% is the core PCE inflation for August on an annualized basis.

The CPI inflation was 3.5%.

The difference is PCE excludes food and energy costs. The average person doesn’t keep up on month-to-month inflation. They look at what the have to pay now compared to what they are used to… and we still aren’t used to current prices.

You want to blame CEO’s and greed? Fine. But if the government and the media hadn’t been playing games, there might well have been a bunch of folks who got fired when other businesses got all the business because they didn’t play games.

Seems there are antitrust laws about collusion in price setting… why has your hero Garland not done anything there? Instead we have how many investigations/trials related to Trump and his bad behavior.

You need to think a bit. Inflation is cumulative. Lots of things are up around 30% from 2021.

Yes, the fed now likes 2% inflation. Of course, not that long ago (historically) they wanted it kept at 0.

As to jobs, yes Trump going along with all the Covid restrictions resulted in his having a huge drop in employment. That is on him. It makes Biden’s increase less on him.

Bullshit. I live on a fixed income, pension + SS. My pension doesn't even get COLA. I live about the same as I did 4 years ago, my wife & I like fast food to a point & we eat out almost daily, I go wherever I want & do whatever I like.

McDonalds says you are full of shit.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Dr. B did make one crucial mistake. And that mistake was coming on here trying to offer some rational thought. For pure insanity, visit the latest assassination attempt thread where the perpetrator is now just a lost fisherman.

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Originally posted by tomahawker:

Every democrats dream girl.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Timan:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:

Every democrats dream girl.

I understand this creature is neither man nor woman?

What IS it?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Timan:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:

Every democrats dream girl.

I understand this creature is neither man nor woman?

What IS it?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Dr. Butler, you are not demonstrating logical thought.

You say "it would not surprise me that Haitian immigrants are eating things that I would not, and are likely violating a number of laws (especially game laws) and ordinances to do so." The fact something doesn't surprise you does not make it so. This is innuendo of the basest sort. THOSE people eat different stuff, so they are BAD. Shame!

One thing Trump is good at is whipping up prejudice, fear, and hate of minority groups like Haitians who are citizens, not illegals. You, sir, are obviously not immune to the worst of Trumpism.

"Countries that don’t like us do dump problem cases on us. I really doubt that you can prove that folks who have been in prison or a mental health hospital are not coming here from Venezuela either."

You've got to be kidding me. Asking someone to prove a negative. Trump has got your head mixed up.

"Why are we so fertile a ground for conspiracies? Probably because people know that the press and the government lie to them for their own reasons with regularity and with no consequences."

So they prefer Trump's lies? As someone said, Trumpists are mostly morons. That's why they believe in conspiracies that have no factual support. Don't blame the press and government--except for the rightwing media who spread conspiracy lies.

"I know that Haitian legal immigrants are no worse than any other group of immigrants, but they undoubtedly have some customs and behaviors I don’t participate in."

Trumpism again. Lots of religious and other groups have customs and behaviors I don't participate in. I don't hold that against them, so long as they don't try to impose their ways on me.

"That you deny they do some things that their neighbors dislike and try to say they don’t makes the divide wider."

Wow, that Trumpism must really stick to your foot like dogshit. How dare immigrant citizens follow their own (legal) customs! Like, I'm sure my own immigrant ancestors never did that. Doc, have you ever heard of xenophobia? You sound kind of xenophobic here.

"It’s also hyperbolically claiming [sic] that the GOP is a bunch of stupid clowns."

Not the entire GOP. Just the true believer Trumpists. The enablers are cynically looking out for their own interests.

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Originally posted by Timan:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:

Every democrats dream girl.

I understand this creature is neither man nor woman?

What IS it?

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Where did you get that from Saeed? I bet it was from the Arab Harems! How may eunuchs there?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Timan:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:

Every democrats dream girl.

I understand this creature is neither man nor woman?

What IS it?

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
You must eat pretty odd fast food as even McDonald’s is hurting due to price increases… if you believe them.

I suppose you could be correct if you have downgraded your desires and never were spending your entire income before.

But per Newsweek, McDonalds prices have gone up 141% in the last 5 years.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Keep talking that way and don’t be surprised by what happens.

2.4% is the core PCE inflation for August on an annualized basis.

The CPI inflation was 3.5%.

The difference is PCE excludes food and energy costs. The average person doesn’t keep up on month-to-month inflation. They look at what the have to pay now compared to what they are used to… and we still aren’t used to current prices.

You want to blame CEO’s and greed? Fine. But if the government and the media hadn’t been playing games, there might well have been a bunch of folks who got fired when other businesses got all the business because they didn’t play games.

Seems there are antitrust laws about collusion in price setting… why has your hero Garland not done anything there? Instead we have how many investigations/trials related to Trump and his bad behavior.

You need to think a bit. Inflation is cumulative. Lots of things are up around 30% from 2021.

Yes, the fed now likes 2% inflation. Of course, not that long ago (historically) they wanted it kept at 0.

As to jobs, yes Trump going along with all the Covid restrictions resulted in his having a huge drop in employment. That is on him. It makes Biden’s increase less on him.

Bullshit. I live on a fixed income, pension + SS. My pension doesn't even get COLA. I live about the same as I did 4 years ago, my wife & I like fast food to a point & we eat out almost daily, I go wherever I want & do whatever I like.

McDonalds says you are full of shit.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
God, please don't let anyone else reply with that horrible photo. If I have to look at it again, I might get sick.