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Right so I will try clarify my point and take into account some of the issues you raised. Policies. In a 2 party system you get a chance to vote for policies you like. But with them comes policies you dont necessarily like too. For me I tend to like/ understand the less government, pro business, Fairer treatment of rural citizens, Tougher on crime and borders policies of the right. I dont know enough to be able to specify which are relevant too the states right now. Treat these as generalisations. They are just examples of what i prefer. I dont like many environmental, Abortion and social issues policies. On the Left I like Healthcare, some environmental, social issues like abortion. And thinking about it, I accept the good intent of many other policies. But dislike how far they take them re the bell curve in the vid I posted. I really dislike the anti free speech policies that spring up. The debt and big government the left generates, and tax policy. There is also a historic dislike/ caution. In my life and career, I have been hurt and put at risk by left wing govts too many times too generally support them unless they are moderate, and or the right is extremely bad. With all that said, I dont see this US election as much at all about policy being the deciding factor. In most times you have two capable parties, or one in a state of flux/decline/rebuild. When both parties are capable, you get a great election and it becomes about policies. When one is in flux its about the better party. Usually the party in flux is one thats been in power too long, has done all the good things it wanted too, and now because of that, they open the crazy door on the policies they really shouldn't let out. People who really shouldn't, get elevated, and often the competent decide to retire on top. Truely awful. This election as I have said, seems to be about choosing the best of the worst. Regardless of anything else, I could not vote for Trump. Because he has shown a disregard for democracy- which is what i value most. And he lies so blatantly that I would find it personally offensive that he ask me to beleive him. I would however do fine under his Govt. At least initially. I do have long term concerns... The issue with The democrats is the same issue under another guise. Its been apparent that Biden should not have been candidate for a long time. I find it appalling that hes been the main character in 'A weekend at Bernies" to keep the party going. There has been no attempt to allow democrats a reasonable choice of candidate and with his frailty, there should have been some decency long back in telling him to step down, at least at this election but probably earlier. I mean shit, confusing another woman for his wife and hopping back on a plane hes just left.  Kamala, she's got there with no real effort. I do beleive there is some grounds to claim she's a diversity hire. But thats less important. Whoever has that position should have had their mettle and metal tested. She should have been placed up against Pete, and Manchin And a good number of others and the best should have been chosen. This is the same few people who propped Joe up, putting up the person who will retain their positions of power. If the Democrats really fear for democracy, they should have stepped up and set an example. At least Trump went up against Haley. Though I feel if the party was working properly, Trump would not be there to start with. Again its the people running the party behind the scenes who are found wanting. I think its two reasons. they see a chance to do some crazy stuff, and also they are scared he would form a break away party. What I have seen on this forum, Is more guys from the right recognise this about their party. While I cant think of any on the left that have voiced concerns about theirs in the same way. Maybe Im wrong? | |||
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That's interesting, reading your perspectives and opinions. A lot of it I agree with, some I think is bias, of course, but not really far out enough to argue. I'll pick on the last two paragraphs. There is enough packed in there to write an essay. But I won't. What if Trump is there because the party, GOP, IS working properly, subjectively, by design because the people behind the scenes want it the way it has morphed? Sure, they architect a path to do some crazy stuff, long planned. Who's "they" in your last sentence, next to last paragraph? I think there's a third "they", the moderate survivors who kowtowed to save their jobs? In a break-away party, the crazies would go with him, the moderates would sigh relief, even knowing they will lose this time - live another day for the next battle. The third "they" played the odds for the sake of hanging on Trumpism's coat tails, for whatever it's worth. Some with a conscience made the choice to fight the machine, such as Lis Chaney, etc. and got kicked out. Trump's endorsements have been consistently make or break. You are right, there are many conservatives who find Trump and presumably Trumpism disgusting and repulsive. I too find it difficult to analyze the left, thinking in parallel equivalence. I think probably that's because Dems vs Repugs, the parties, are not parallel. IMO, both have extremism in their souls, but the Dem party is not dominated by it. GOP's soul IS dominated by extremism now, and it's intentional design, and they plan to dominate the country with it. The only way the parties could be parallel would be, for example, if Bernie and the squad got control somehow and ran off all the moderates or made them kowtow to their will. We know the method to induce adequate kowtowing, don't we? Trump didn't invent it, but demonstrated it very well - blackmail, coercion, lies, threats, bullying and expulsion, you know - the tools of a fascist. It will metamorphize (magamorphize) into the real dragon if he wins the election, and the "they" category you mentioned will welcome it, for a while. And another thing - all the accusations the True Believers, hater extremists on the Right make about Marxist socialist communist and other vile accusations about the left, really says more about the accuser than the accused. The claim reeks ignorance and indoctrination rigid ideology and consequentially hate. That's Trumpism to the core. There can be no meaningful conversation about whatever good there is with the democrat party with those who harbor, as truth, the lies stated above, and so much more. There is no swimming past that undercurrent rip tide. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Here's a short article with letters to the editor that shows what I'm saying about the false equivalence notion of Dems and GOPers and the parties respectively. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...aedf5689ae60f&ei=129 Letters to the Editor: Comparing Trump to Hitler? That goes too far, say some readers 6h • 2 min read The title to the published article that's being complained about is: "Would Trump stop free and fair elections? Hitler and Mussolini's paths could be a clue" There's a link in the article. Those objecting missed the point. The article was about the similarities of the PATH. The populist narcissist personalities are also similar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._States#Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...in_the_United_States And within the PATH are many clues, such as the media being the enemies of the people, sowing distrust of the "system" which includes distrust of the electoral systems, the rule of law and fellow citizens, dehumanizing the opposition, and so much more. The strategies of Trump and Team are clearly similar if not identical. And it's telling that some think comparing Trump/Trumpism to fascist/fascism is over the top - the mass murders, etc., when one or more of Trump's heroes are (mass) murderers, namely Putin, and "The late great Hannibal Lector" for examples. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Your conversation is not with those people if you want too win. Thats part of my point. They will vote GOP anyway. Just as the extremes of the left will vote left no matter what. Its pointless to say even, "yep but theres more of them in the GOP" or some such. In the end. If you all beleive the left is doing a fantastic job, Then thats my point. | |||
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One might think the differences in utter corruption, moral and ethical deprivation and detriment vs some semblance of the opposite, at least rejection of it, perhaps including decency and respect, would sway. But apparently that's not the case. Remember the motto: "Progress, not perfection". There is no such thing as regression to excellence. Or maybe this catch-phrase means something: “When they go low, we go high” Michelle Obama. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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ME Stop pretending that one side is full of monsters and the other side only angels. This is politics, not the war in heaven. There is crazy on both sides, some more repugnant to some observers, some more compelling. It would be very few people that take either side wholesale and totally. If you are stuck that "the other side" is inherently better than the other, rather a preference, then you will give yourself nightmare and will work from confirmation bias ALL THE TIME TDS and antiBiden is real.. but likely the vast majority of people only have a light case of one or the other, a few with both. I prefer to think that at least 90% of people are basically good intentioned and want to vote for what's best for them I also fell that way leas than 25% of people are fully open to discussing both sides then making a decision... That you are likely to reject this or try to control the conversation or word choices that is truly a control issue. I prefer people to be informed. It is annoying at best to most and aggressive to others. As basically most people don't care enough or feel they are settled enough. I am 99.9999% surr I have never changed someone's mind here on political items, but I may have given them something to think about on that specific issue.. or ticked them off about it... Heck, even in the realm of finite facts, people don't take correction well... that not just here, but in most people.... because Because Because Most people think that they have or are making the best choice for them and their situation. Yea, I don't live up to this idea.. but I am trying opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Thanks jeffee, that's respectful of you. First, I'm not pretending. Second, one side full of monsters, and the other side angels is not where I'm at. There's plenty of evidence right here on this forum that there are lots of good people left and right leaning. As I've tied to say in many ways, it apparently makes no difference that there are many, many "good" republicans. Their numbers are overwhelmed by Trump supporters, and after all he's the master dung beetle. Perhaps the same could be said about the left. Perhaps subjectively, the difference seems to me is the left is not dominated by the extremists. They may have influence, but not like they do in the GOP. I'm talking about the elected officials in this paragraph. But as you said they "listen" to constituents. You say "90% of people are basically good intentioned". That's an opinion outside looking in, perhaps projecting. I think probably 99% believe they are good intentioned, all the while some, a large percentage, claiming patriotism and Christian morals and at the same time invading the capitol to stop certification of election results, or pushing fake electors, or believing such people are protected under the 1st, and their criminal convictions are politically weaponized law, and they are political hostages, or supporting project 2025, or even ignoring all that. They can believe what they want, but that doesn't make it true, in reality. And you are correct, belief and ideology are stronger than facts and objectivity and critical thinking, the former default and easy, the latter difficult. I think making the best choice for them and their situation isn't practically the basis for the choice in the political realm. If it was, there wouldn't be so many lies spouted and parroted. Take it to an extreme but real example. Do people in cults think they are good, rational, making good choices, believing in the right stuff? Can they be reasoned with? Another example is that I figure I'll be okay whether Trump or Harris wins, whether project 2025 is implemented or not. So, why are my shorts in a wad? Why should I care either way? I'll answer my own question by asking you, and others, two questions. Setting aside personal situation, economics for example, why care either way? What's the driver of "care" in this context? Here's the definition of "care": The meaning of CARE is suffering of mind : grief. The provision of what is needed for the well-being or protection of a person or thing The process of protecting someone or something and providing what that person or thing needs…. A simple explanation is many of us "Care" for our dogs. We care about them. Childless Cat Ladies "care" for their cats. Why? We care about many things that relate to well-being, imaginary and real, tangible and intangible, which includes so much more than money and economic and other factors in security. And it varies. For many, "care" regarding well-being is about ID protection, rigid belief, and other abstracts, nurtured at all costs. I've tried to not be offensive so far. If you read this far, it won't matter. So, I think those who claim it boils down to "I was better off when Trump was president" or "I like his policies" as the reason to vote for him is not the whole truth, if truth at all. It's the whole package of what they care about, and what they are willing to trade off for what they believe is their well-being. And obviously many are willing to trade off 250 or so years of Founding principles in exchange for Trumpism. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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we could throw stuff and examples at each other like howler monkeys, but it wouldn't change either of our positions - I can't see myself voting for either I don't want trump or harris to even be the candidates - I don't think trump, as a person, represents anything like the ideas, goals, and morals (or ethics) of most conservatives - he's not relatable, other than making wise-cracks (which he does way too often) - one could say there are few things in common with most americans to other americans, but the truth is we all want the same things, we just don't agree on the means. Further, I would have preferred someone other than Vance, and would have thought either Tulsi or Nikki would have been an excellent veep choice - They (also) have great lifetime achievements that are easier to relate to - neither are crass, hard talking new york yankee, for one thing. but -- and here's why the shallow (i know, i am trying) think I am a trump supporter - I am grossly offended by unfair play - Case in point - if trump had said Nancy was dead on arrival, there would be a media storm, with articles of impeachment being written, presented, and passed in moments - When biden says it about Johnson -- crickets on everything except fox i work in high tech business - i work with vendors all the time -- i learned, from a grizzled old plant worker, the phrase "crapping on your competitor doesn't make your product better" - it resonated with me - I don't think harris was properly voted for in a democratic process - she wasn't even close to being "number 2" in the 2020 primaries, never picked up a single delegate in that process, iirc, never got above 3% polling in the dem primaries - i could be wrong, but let's go with that. She's an abject failure as border czar (yes, she never had that title.. as it's a handle, not an official job posting) but she's overseen the border being overrun --. harris has done diddly as VP, very little as a senator, and played politics then - But, on the other hand, i actually like social programs and think there are some REALLY dumb restrictions on them, such as the not hot foods restriction - If someone is struggling, and they are making a little money, are on social programs, and have figured out that costco is the cheapest place to buy food, why shouldn't they be able to buy pizza or a hotdog? that's just a dumb restriction. It's not just social grace as to why i feel this way, as a child has a pretty narrow window of initial brain development, they need to be fed, if not over fed, and if life's too busy from the parents working 5 jobs between them to cook a proper meal, a burger and fries is a good main meal -- in fact, the schools (at least when I was growing up) thought burgers and pizza were GREAT foods to offer students at what might that students main meal of the day. There are people that need a hand, or even long term care, that our social programs can help. I personally think that social programs COULD be the best spend of my tax dollars, then schools, then infra, then science, then the military - I might even put actual healthcare (i grew up with county clinics, which were VERY cheap, but would give primary care) at or ahead of food programs.. nah, just tucked in right behind food. So, I don't think harris or trump are right for the job .. but the last time *I* voted for a winning president was Bush I -- i really can't see myself voting for either - but my voice won't be heard, as my county (technically i had a choice on which county, until a couple days ago, due to my work/life circumstances) will overwhelmingly vote one way or the other -- Neither Dallas nor Montgomery counties are in the LEAST bit competitive - one votes hugely blue, one votes hugely red - it wouldn't matter either way. I am socially VERY liberal, for a Texan - If i have to pay taxes, I'd rather they go to help Americans FIRST, rather than studying the sex lives of a Peruvian frog - I don't care what adults do "at home" as long as it's consenting, i rarely care how people choose to intoxicate themselves, again, at home, .. who you love and how you love, between adults, is your thing. I don't think the government should be involved in the LEAST about the religious practice of marriage, and i think "contracts" are where the gov't would be involved.. wanna go to church? good for you.. don't wanna go to church? good for you - "you" and your spouse have some odd arrangements? not my business -- i couldn't care less that the second gentlemen had an affair, or that trump may have had sex with a porn star.. don't care, not my business, not anyone's who wasn't part of it business, either. So, yeah -- i don't like either candidate, for their own flaws, and will more than likely waste my vote on 3rd party, again - it's an atom of water in an ocean for what it matters, but it matters to me.. oh, why am I feisty on AR? i despise inconsistency and unfair play - and, besides, it's fun, some times, to get all riled up over things that won't change anyone else's mind - I likely couldn't convince you to vote for anyone but a dem.. for any position in government .. i have learnt (that's the correct conjugation) that most people assume that if your aren't for Them/Their idea, that they assume you are for the opposite - if i say "bozo stinks" they will immediately assume that I am a died in the wool "pennywise" supporter - which COULD be true, but what I said was "bozo stinks" - whew -- enough of this, let's go back to name calling opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? 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You got here because of far-right agenda of racism, anti-minorities, pro rich tax cuts & tax avoidance, anti-democratic rhetoric by the far right that threatens freedom of the common citizen, anti-healthcare for the poor and the elderly, disrupting and obstructing good governance by preventing a legally elected government from doing its job, by supporting domestic terrorism against democracy, by supporting a rapist and convicted felon to be your flag bearer and leader, by not having a credible candidate to represent any legitimate agenda for the last 8 years. There are several other reasons too such as getting illegal campaign finance from Egypt, obstructing justice by blocking the investigation, having sex with a porn star and paying her off illegally to hush up the story, by spreading lies and hate like never seen in history. Do you want more reasons?
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you got all that from this simple post? not that it's my business, but COHEN offering compensation for an NDA is in no way illegal - that's not what Trump was found guilty of, trump was found guilty of mislabling accounting entries with a possible tax (unproven to date) implication ... i thought i done schooled you on the "Rapist" thing .. i know a couple lawyers tried to help you out ... but hey, good to see you surfacing, I was going to call the sheriff and ask them to perform a wellness check on you ... eventually opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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How do you give equal opportunity to a group of people you have enslaved and oppressed for over 200 years? How do you get rid of the institutionalised racism in your society and your police, government, courts, your political platform etc.? Even the evangelical church is operating on bigoted principles. Women are not allowed to be pastors or leaders. Blacks have historically been excluded from membership and leadership. Blacks were even condemned as the descendants of the murderer Cain until as recently as the mid 1990s.
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If you threw a howler monkey at me, that would definitely change my mind somehow?  But most of the howler monkeys come from Fox News, which doesn't sway me at all. Of course, you know that I'm easily swayed.  Given facts and evidence I'll take them into consideration and possibly swayed. Opinions noted, but have little effect as to swaying.You can name call all you want. I'll just stick with my commitment to avoid that best I can. Also, I plan to throw screaming howler monkeys of reality and truth aplenty. Republicans like drama. Here's something we don't talk about enough: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...3b3727e7fcc724&ei=19 John M. Crisp: If Trump loses, are we prepared for the backlash? Story by John M. Crisp, Tribune News Service • 7h • 3 min read ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I don't know about you, but *I* haven't enslaved anyone. No one in my family has ever been wealthy enough to own slaves, and my family died on the Union side of the conflict -- I get it, from 7,400 miles away and to a racists, we all look alike - kindly point it out and we'll correct it, just like have have for the past 60 years .. since the REPUBLICANS pushed the civil rights act of 1964 through congress wait-- didn't you say in a recent post YOUR are an "evangelical"? It's your religion, not mine - i have NO IDEA what happens inside a evangelical church -- oh, other than most black churchs are either protestant (usually Baptists) or non-denominational - I have NO IDEA what happens inside an evangelical church, I don't think i've ever been inside one . have you - ops, found it?
uhm, i thought that was Catholics.. but, again, i have no clue what happens within a church - i have been inside (for services) of a catholic church LESS times than I've been at an indian temple- Lat time i has in a catholic church, for services, was when I was working on my undergrad and had to go to a "religious church or temple that wasn't my faith" whew, that's been a minute -- oh, I was in St Olaf's church in Trondheim once .. i wanted to see a true medieval church, but i think it had been de-sanctified -- again, the actions of religions is outside of my scope In evangelical churches? Naki, how could you be a member of the same Sounds dumb, but who am I to tell what evangelicals think.. let's ask you
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Since that old post was quoted, I remind everyone that I adequately addressed those false claims, within the thread of the original post. I don't want to rehash them but will if anyone still believes what jeffee said. And that's including jeffee. If I didn't change his mind and perhaps attitude with my previous response, then the best I can do is show others where and why he's wrong. If I did change his mind, tune, attitude, whatever, then that debunks another claim of his that people don't change their minds. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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 I appreciate a well thought out explanation with reasoning, and the time it takes to do so. And i appreciate when the next posts evidence exactly what you are saying. | |||
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Thanks, Shanks - i nearly deleted it after the "next post" as it appears to have been in vain, then you quoted it -- opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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That quote really says a lot.  A howler monkey that doesn't howl much or howls out of tune like member of a church choir, is still a howler monkey. Of course your long-winded post was not in vain. That's why I quoted just a small segment of it, to have some fun. Also, it's not really fun to argue opinions, except when opinions are stated as facts. You did make some transgressions in that regard, but I'm not going to get in the middle of an argument between you and Naki. BTW, you used the word and idea of "care" several times. You earned your hash mark on the big skivvy of cyberspace. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Can you read and do your own research? Can you be objective and honest for a change. Just because your ancestor fought on the side of the Union does not mean that the GOP is not a racist party now. Just because YOU have not enslave anyone does not mean that you are not supporting the gerrymandering oppressive policies of your Governor. Americans are less than 4% of the world's population and have a say in everyone else's lives around the world. The US wants to dominate global economy and politics. But it has failed miserably. You still haven't answered my question about which party's supporter walked into the Capitol with a confederate flag? Which party's supporters kept building new monuments honouring the confederates even into the 2000s? you want me to point out Institutional racism and you will root it out? Really? Can you not spot it yourself? Can you not do your research in your own communities? There you go with your lies again. The GOP of 1964 and 2024 are not the same. Again you forgot the Dixi Democrats who joined the GOP and the liberals who joined the Democrats. You still are in denial about the parties swapping platforms. you are as lazy as ever. You refuse to check your facts. Yes, I am a NZ Evangelical and part of the NZ Baptist Union. We are an apolitical Church with focus on Missions among the poor and needy around the world. We are NOT part of the American Southern Baptist church which is white supremacist and isolated itself from all other Global Baptist churches more than 20 years ago because of African nation's calling for Freedom and justice. It does not take a lot of smarts to research the racist position of the Southern Baptist church or the LDS for that matter. Ok, read this and do some research - https://www.politicalorphans.c...icalism-is-so-cruel/
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A bit of a story. Around 1993 our country voted for a new system of democracy that was aimed at minimising the 2 party system. It was by and large driven by the left who tended to come second too the right under the old system. However the right seems to have adapted better to it, and nowadays you hear more of the left complain about it than you do the right. At a time when our right was in chaos, many traditional right voters, voted for middle ground left and kind of kept the extreme left out With one party acting as a blocker too anything extreme. Thats a long way of saying I understand how you feel with the 3rd party vote In your nation. We are fortunate now that a vote for a minor player can get us results. Since Naki has entered this conversation. I might as well ask. Naki. is there anything you are disappointed with In the political left of NZ right now? | |||
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Okay - Naki suggests that I "do my own research" .. and you know what? India has an ancient (several times longer than the US has been around.. in fact, several times longer than than the "Triangle Trade" existed ) Of, but let's not focus on the past - what about today? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...Contemporary_slavery ~8million slaves in Naki's homeland, something like 6 times the amount ever in the US - and still going strong today What does the global slavery index say, hmmm?  But let's don't take wikipedia, as we all know it can be manipulated here is the source material https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/gro...tion/wcms_575479.pdf I am going to bet that at least one of us on this thread has been formally trained in research, at the graduate level, how about you? You can refrain from the name calling, i hear christians aren't supposed to act that way - See above for the results of 90 seconds of "research" for what's so publicly available -- but DO recall that you asked for "do your own research and be objective and honest - this is now a requirement for yourself *MY* family fought for freeing the slaves - and DIED for it - and what was the Union side, sir? ah, oh, look "freeing the slaves" .. and what where the next steps? the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments! And how the focus shifts.. this tactic is called moving the goal posts or, in the specific case, moving the challenge once one's original argument has been demolished - You said the US government AND your own church are racist. I merely am pointing out that your data needs to be updated as you are incorrect. You said the government is racist, then switched to the GOP - hmm, naki, stick to the point, it's written down, right here - the GOP has NOT been the majority party for the majority of time in the last 100 years - just hasn't - strange -- in Texas, let's say Shelia Jackson Lee's district, actually was gerrymandered - to be certain to include minority voices, and this happens everyday .. i realize that 7,4000 miles and a language barrier can be hard to work through -- but you are still accusing me of racism -- Have you ever been to Texas? even ONCE? much like I have never owned a slave, not any in my history, I also don't want america to be the world's cop -- i do appreciate you thinking i have enough pull to alter national policies, changing decades of policy, but i assure you, i barely have enough pull to get my dog to sit before i feed him. I am a political ZERO. hmm, but american does dominate the global economy, it's just math actually i did - go back and reread -- awe .. how precious - i answered this already -- or, as my good friend is wont to say i done told you" yes, and apparently not - but, like everything at improves in time, the racism that was so terrible under dems has continued to improve over time, usually with legislation to afirm it say, tell me what YOU are doing about the ~8 millions slaves in India today? no, serious question, i think you need to clean your own porch first name one slide around it all you like, what DATE do you think the parties swapped? are you saying that Kennedy was actually a republican, or obama -- i'll wait - there is a difference though, today republicans don't usually have to worry about dems burning crosses in their yards over things blah blahblah - like a squeaky wheel.. what DATE did the "great party swap" happen? The prof that came up with this non-sense also refused to give a date, then blocked me -- i did i longer piece on "WHEN" some time ago, where i paired cali, ny, fla, and texas presidential voting .. and disproved your irrational supposition taken, likely 3rd hand, off the internet - So, which is it? Was Kennedy or Obama actually a republican eh, maybe.. i am actually kind of lazy .. but why with the personal insults? I thought christians were supposed to be better than that show me a SINGLE THING that i have said in our dialogs, other than the personal remarks and anecdotes, that isn't provable within 90 seconds of googling? say, isn't lying a sin? but wait -- you just said the evangelical church is racists - and you are telling me about my integrity issues? are you SURE? good for you .. i might ask, who asked you to go there and be a missionary? but nice that you might be helping the needy okay .. i guess that means something to church people, i am not one -- can't you get that into your through processes? but you don't get it, i don't know, or have ANY desire to know about what happens in a church or its politics .. not my circus, not my monkeys, don't care. why do i care about the LDS? again, not a church person there you go again, telling my your church is cruel and racist - i am beginning to wonder if you see your own tailbiting - not my church, it's yours.. i'd rather assume all church people are nice enough folks, and keep it to themselves
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Thanks, i haven't been to NZ, though it looks gorgeous - but you don't see me talking about the infighting and internal politics -- literally the closest i have come to studying NZ, and this means NOTHING in the real world, is the Heinlein book "Friday" which is one of my fav books i reread it every year or so, when i need a break from technobabble and don't have the will to attack a new book - opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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And why would you? We in the international stage are insignificant. But I can say that the US election result is being payed very close attention too, here, and probably most of the rest of the world. because what happens In the US, will effect us. | |||
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I get that - there is a phrase that goes "when america gets a sniffle, the world gets a cold" I don't like that it happens that way, especially with the military and parts of the government thinking that we are the world's cop leave folks alone, be reluctant to become engaged in "foreign adventures" and improve our country opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Amen. The current crises in the ME included. | |||
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Most of what you post is BS. You lie when you deliberately mix up and equate US Evangelicals to NZ evangelicals, despite my pointing out that we are not the same. You again ignore the facts I pointed out about the history of the US evangelicals particularly in the South. You lie about the two parties switching platforms and claim you did research. You want a date! Really! You really think social, political & economic evolution happens on a particular date? Is that your limits to intellectual ability and the research you claim at graduate level? Tell me what exact date did WW2 start or end? What exact date did Trump become a Republican? You keep dodging and avoiding the questions and claim you answered them. Which party supporters carried the confederate flag into the capitol? More importantly why? Which party's supporters built monuments in the 2000s honouring the confederates? More importantly why? Now you want dates. Just pick the dates of those events and work backwards. That is called deductive logic in research. All the peer reviewed publications that I have done use that methodology where empirical evidence is not obvious. What is more important than the date is that the event actually did occur, irrespective of the date. Same as humans do live on earth, irrespective of the date it started. Just because we do not know the exact date does not mean that human did not live on earth 10,000 years ago or 50,000 ears ago. You obviously do not even understand the meaning of EVOLUTION. Get off your lazy disingenuous ass and read these and much more. Stop your lies. Face the facts. I know it is hard when you have Trump as your leader. https://www.livescience.com/34...witch-platforms.html https://www.realclearhistory.c...platforms_10440.html http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~...lished/reversal2.pdf
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Naki, i am concerned about you - you are taking this WAY too seriously, and are perhaps deluded that you could change my mind, over the internet, while name calling, insulting, and using fertilizer grade sources, while trying to talk to an absolute agnostic about your religion and why it's better, and not listening - You aren't a missionary and i am NOT open to even hearing about your religion - i am sure your imaginary friend is a great pal and brings you comfort - but being a zealot about it and trying to scream me into conversion just don't improve your "Standing" uhm, someone saying "show me" doesn't make them a liar, well, i guess outside of radical zealous religions - you do understand that we don't have a power-dynamic relationship where you can demand and assert, and expect compliance, right? It's the 3 Fs, pal - or, in other words "stop playing, you don't know me like that" anyway, your links don't say what you think they do why do i keep engaging? i am bored and you can be more fun than a box of snap-n-pops, with similar effort for results  your rants are kinda weak, so here's a meme to brighten your day of, this is kinda cute  Are you incapable of understanding that i don't CARE about the differences in evangelicals - I don't need to know about spiritual magic underwear or who's playing what politics.. Don't care - hmm, you contradicting me, without anything like facts, isn't proof that I have lied or mispresented a thing - but, hey, if you like 6 minutes, you might learn a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evPZ-0UhL1E dates on world war II - sure, that's easy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II When did trump become a republican? i could argue he isn't one i answered your silly position on the confederate flag - i don't understand your fascination with it, but if it suits you, that's cool You are the one presenting the exceptional claim of a great party swap, i merely require that you prove it happened. I get it, you can't back it up, and want to shout, while bringing in vague assertations and entirely unrelated stuff - let's look at your first link says right here, the only difference was the party's swapped ideas on big vs small government
then the article doesn't mention that switched back .. your primary article doesn't say a word about any other characteristics -- sorry, old son, a swing and a miss, strike 1 your second link is a synopsis of and a link to the first article - but here's a nifty quote
then goes on in the synopsis, to further inform that the party's views on big/little government swap .. yawn .. swing and a miss -strike 2 third article (andy blocked me on social media for simply asking when) hmm, this is a telling blow -- an absolute SMASHER
Let's repeat for the guy 7,400 miles away tentativeness of this conclusion And strike 3 - Andy's article, with a WHOPPING 8 citations, wasn't peer reviewed His largest inference is that, other than the republicans going form small government to big government and back to small government is that
If i had turned in a "Research Paper" with 8 sources, i would have been laughed out of the classroom and received an F - There's a reason that not even wikipedia supports this whacky concept - it doesn't have quantitive facts, has zero primary contemporary sources, and would be called a "meta" document, as there is ZERO research done. But, the HUGE reveal? the shocking "great party swap" conclusions? People vote differently than they did in 1896-- that's your facts, from your own links ... i do notice that you still haven't provided a date, though ..    opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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