Popular Vote victory as well

06 November 2024, 18:04

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
So, the dems want to dismantle the Electral College? Trump crushed Kamalalalala in the popular vote as well as the EC.
Seems the votes for senators followed as well.
Looks like the Supreme Court could get a new face or two - hopefully. All of the lower courts will get justices instead of liberal pukes.

What will the dems think of next to try and push a socialist agenda???

Morning Ross, I was watching last night and some commentators said that the D party needs to have a serious introspective contemplation about the results. Others said, that they believe the left will push the party further left.

My wife asked me what happens to the Liz Chenny's and Mitt Romney's (Pierre DeLecto)of the country? Third party? Change party?

What about the legacy media?

06 November 2024, 18:48

tomahawker

Agree. The way forward for media, pundits, and party is to fess up admit they were wrong, own the hyperbole and craziness, and do better.

06 November 2024, 19:37

Timan

It's all very simple, you intentionally sabotage Americans who actually care about America, and you shall be removed from power as we'll only stand for so much BS from the left.

Wide open border, crushed energy policy, economy in shambles. GAME OVER!!

The pendulum still swings, good to see.

06 November 2024, 20:23

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by tomahawker:
Agree. The way forward for media, pundits, and party is to fess up admit they were wrong, own the hyperbole and craziness, and do better.

Excellent.

06 November 2024, 20:25

Johnly

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
So, the dems want to dismantle the Electral College? Trump crushed Kamalalalala in the popular vote as well as the EC.
Seems the votes for senators followed as well.
Looks like the Supreme Court could get a new face or two - hopefully. All of the lower courts will get justices instead of liberal pukes.

What will the dems think of next to try and push a socialist agenda???

Morning Ross, I was watching last night and some commentators said that the D party needs to have a serious introspective contemplation about the results. Others said, that they believe the left will push the party further left.

My wife asked me what happens to the Liz Chenny's and Mitt Romney's (Pierre DeLecto)of the country? Third party? Change party?

What about the legacy media?

Neither party wants a viable centrist third party to exist, as fighting battles on two fronts is far more difficult. Currently the two US parties campaign to their extremes during the primaries, then try to reposition themselves as centrist after the candidates have been selected.

06 November 2024, 20:28

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by Johnly:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
So, the dems want to dismantle the Electral College? Trump crushed Kamalalalala in the popular vote as well as the EC.
Seems the votes for senators followed as well.
Looks like the Supreme Court could get a new face or two - hopefully. All of the lower courts will get justices instead of liberal pukes.

What will the dems think of next to try and push a socialist agenda???

Morning Ross, I was watching last night and some commentators said that the D party needs to have a serious introspective contemplation about the results. Others said, that they believe the left will push the party further left.

My wife asked me what happens to the Liz Chenny's and Mitt Romney's (Pierre DeLecto)of the country? Third party? Change party?

What about the legacy media?

Neither party wants a viable centrist third party to exist, as fighting battles on two fronts is far more difficult. Currently the two US parties campaign to their extremes, then try to reposition themselves as centrist after the candidates have been selected.

Could the current Trump administration show that a centrist party or coalition can exist?

His team has many Democrats support. You know the names. Rogans support isn't even a measurable metric yet. Rogan was a Bernie supporter.

06 November 2024, 20:42

Tumbleweed

quote:
Could the current Trump administration show that a centrist party or coalition can exist?

I don’t think so. Both sides are so consumed with crushing and dominating the other that cooperation and unity have left the building.

Very few people from either side would support a ‘middle of the road’ government, although that’s the only logical solution.

Politics in the western democracies have taken on the attitudes of British soccer clubs; “I love mine fiercely, and hate yours with equal ferocity.”

I maintain that a government must be socialist enough to meet the basic needs of everyone, and capitalist enough to encourage growth, prosperity and progress.

Right now, both sides are at a position of “Fuck you, it’s all about me!”

06 November 2024, 21:08

Grizzly Adams1

quote:
Very few people from either side would support a ‘middle of the road’ government, although that’s the only logical solution.

Bingo.

07 November 2024, 03:22

MtElkHunter

quote:
Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

I maintain that a government must be socialist enough to meet the basic needs of everyone, and capitalist enough to encourage growth, prosperity and progress.

”

This is exactly correct and a perfect way to says it! We need to get away from the far right and the far left!

07 November 2024, 03:25

TomP

quote:
Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
quote:
Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

I maintain that a government must be socialist enough to meet the basic needs of everyone, and capitalist enough to encourage growth, prosperity and progress.

”

This is exactly correct and a perfect way to says it! We need to get away from the far right and the far left!

We live in a reasonably successful mixed economy.

07 November 2024, 05:02

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
quote:
Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

I maintain that a government must be socialist enough to meet the basic needs of everyone, and capitalist enough to encourage growth, prosperity and progress.

”

This is exactly correct and a perfect way to says it! We need to get away from the far right and the far left!

We have been lightyears past meeting basic needs of all since the 1950s.

07 November 2024, 05:09

p dog shooter

Nothing about this country requires to meet any bodies basic needs.

Meeting basic needs is just communistic BS to destroy the republic.

Stand on your own two feet and make your way.

07 November 2024, 05:12

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Nothing about this country requires to meet any bodies basic needs.

Meeting basic needs is just communistic BS to destroy the republic.

Stand on your own two feet and make your way.

Agreed. But even if that was a mandate…we surpassed that 75 years ago.

07 November 2024, 05:14

RolandtheHeadless

"Surpassed" is an apt word choice.

07 November 2024, 05:19

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
"Surpassed" is an apt word choice.

I believe so. We are the most spoiled population the world has ever known.

07 November 2024, 05:20

RolandtheHeadless

I was thinking more in the moral sense.

07 November 2024, 05:23

ledvm

Morality has devolved every year of that same time period.

Peak morality in the USA probably occurred sometime in the late 1950s.

07 November 2024, 05:35

JTEX

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Morality has devolved every year of that same time period.

Peak morality in the USA probably occurred sometime in the late 1950s.

And then the progressive came onto their own.....the downfall began.

We are working on fixing this!

.

07 November 2024, 05:36

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Morality has devolved every year of that same time period.

Peak morality in the USA probably occurred sometime in the late 1950s.

And then the progressive came onto their own.....the downfall began.

We are working on fixing this!

.

100%

07 November 2024, 13:34

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
"Surpassed" is an apt word choice.

I believe so. We are the most spoiled population the world has ever known.

You are kidding right?

Having to choose between Kamala and Trump?

Hahahaha!

Trump would never have won if it wasn’t for all the billionaires who bought him!

07 November 2024, 16:00

JTEX

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
"Surpassed" is an apt word choice.

I believe so. We are the most spoiled population the world has ever known.

You are kidding right?

Having to choose between Kamala and Trump?

Hahahaha!

Trump would never have won if it wasn’t for all the billionaires who bought him!

Uninformed as usual..... There where more billionaires supporting the dems.....

.

07 November 2024, 17:54

dogcat

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
"Surpassed" is an apt word choice.

I believe so. We are the most spoiled population the world has ever known.

And entitled, just like all of the UAE and Saudi Arabia....

07 November 2024, 17:55

Bill Leeper

Although it is difficult to generalize, I think most of the Trump supporters are non-union working class, and middle class to upper middle class entrepreneurs. I think we need to be more conservative fiscally (something Donald Trump certainly is not), and more common sense socially. Ain't gonna happen but we can hope. Regards, Bill

07 November 2024, 17:55

dogcat

quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
"Surpassed" is an apt word choice.

I believe so. We are the most spoiled population the world has ever known.

Again, bad facts. More tossed money at Kamala and the Dems. They had more money given to them than Republicans by about 30%. Money doesn't buy what you think and when you get what you bought it may not be so rosy...

You are kidding right?

Having to choose between Kamala and Trump?

Hahahaha!

Trump would never have won if it wasn’t for all the billionaires who bought him!

Uninformed as usual..... There where more billionaires supporting the dems.....

.

07 November 2024, 17:57

M.Shy

quote:
Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
quote:
Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

I maintain that a government must be socialist enough to meet the basic needs of everyone, and capitalist enough to encourage growth, prosperity and progress.

”

This is exactly correct and a perfect way to says it! We need to get away from the far right and the far left!

And Trump can deliver that, Dems would screw it up

07 November 2024, 18:17

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:

quote:

Trump would never have won if it wasn’t for all the billionaires who bought him!

Uninformed as usual..... There where more billionaires supporting the dems.....

I researched the question a few days ago and based on the sources I found and read, the donations supporting Trump by billionaires exceeded that of Harris.

The billionaires' investment in Trump surly paid off. Whatever they donated was exceeded by a lot in returns when Trump won. And there's a lot more where that came from.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...55cc42f4dcbaf2&ei=51

Elon Musk’s $20 Billion Net Worth Jump Leads Billionaire Surge After Trump’s Win—Fortunes Of Bezos, Buffett And More Swell
Story by Antonio Pequeño IV, Forbes Staff • 2h • 2 min read

Key Facts:

Elon Musk: The Tesla chief, who was one of Trump’s biggest financial backers in the lead-up to the election, experienced a nearly $21 billion jolt to his net worth Wednesday, bringing it to $285.6 billion as Tesla’s stock closed up nearly 15% on Wednesday at $288.53—its highest share price recorded this year.

Jeff Bezos: Bezos’ net worth is up $7 billion to $223.5 billion after a strong day of trading for Amazon shares (up 3.8%), maintaining his position as the world’s second-wealthiest person behind Musk.

Larry Ellison: The Oracle co-founder is nearly $12 billion richer, as his net worth jumped to $220.8 billion and lessened the gap between him and Bezos for No. 2 on Forbes’ billionaire list.

Warren Buffett: The world-renowned investor’s net worth spiked $7.6 billion Wednesday, bringing it to $147.4 billion, with Berkshire Hathaway rising more than 5%.

Brian Armstrong: Armstrong, the CEO of crypto platform Coinbase, has an estimated $11 billion net worth after a $2.6 billion increase Wednesday, the result of a whopping 31% surge for Coinbase as it closed at $254.31 (the platform’s co-founder, Fred Ehrsam, became $600 million richer as markets closed).

Vlad Tenev & Baiju Bhatt: The Robinhood co-founders’ net worths climbed together, with Bhatt’s up $307 million to $1.9 billion and Tenev’s up nearly $300 million to $1.9 billion, as well (Robinhood shares surged almost 20% Wednesday).

Michael Saylor: Saylor, the founder of bitcoin strategy firm MicroStrategy, became nearly $600 million richer as his estimated net worth climbed to $6.6 billion while the company’s stock swelled 13% to $257.81—one of its highest points of the year.

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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus

07 November 2024, 19:17

4WD

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Trump would never have won if it wasn’t for all the billionaires who bought him!

I researched the question a few days ago and based on the sources I found and read, the donations supporting Trump by billionaires exceeded that of Harris.

Magine Enigman,
Once again you are proving what a uninformed dumb ass you are! You are just another self proclaimed internet expert. Your one day of research response is so incomplete it’s comical. Maybe if you spend a about a month compiling detailed information you might be able to come up with the other 98% of your incomplete diatribe,You are a clown!
4WD

07 November 2024, 19:20

MJines

Whining isn't going to change the result. Trump won. Accept it and move on.

The good news. We do not have to deal with another 2020 Big Lie and the associated damage to the democratic institution of our elections and the divisiveness fomented by the Big Lie. We can look forward to a peaceful transfer of power unlike 2020. The GOP now controls both the Executive and Legislative branches, so they should be able to take on our country's profligate spending, healthcare, border security and other vexing issues . . . and if they don't there is no one to blame but themselves. They have a busy two years ahead of them. There is always the hope (not necessarily the expectation) that Trump may use his lame duck status to become more unifying in his messaging.

The bad news. Trump is still Trump, so while we can hope that his rhetoric about this being a time to heal is sincere, there is really no basis to believe that will be the case.

I think we will know a lot more once we see the cabinet picks start to be announced. Are they people of character with backgrounds of success and achievement or are they a group of yes-men and yes-women that were selected based solely on their willingness not to say no. In 2016 I was encouraged by Trump's cabinet picks but it soon became obvious that he had no intention of letting them do their jobs. So in 2024 I will again will hopeful that the leopard can change his spots . . . albeit skeptical. He is our President and we all hope that he, and the rest of the GOP, can do more to unify us than divide us.

07 November 2024, 19:33

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by 4WD:
quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Trump would never have won if it wasn’t for all the billionaires who bought him!

I researched the question a few days ago and based on the sources I found and read, the donations supporting Trump by billionaires exceeded that of Harris.

Magine Enigman,
Once again you are proving what a uninformed dumb ass you are! You are just another self proclaimed internet expert. Your one day of research response is so incomplete it’s comical. Maybe if you spend a about a month compiling detailed information you might be able to come up with the other 98% of your incomplete diatribe,You are a clown!
4WD

For a while this forum enjoyed your absence. Now, all righteous and emboldened you taint the forum with name calling and BS.

That's pretty typical of most forums when the rabid far right emerge from under their rocks.

I have no plans to stoop as low as you.

I don't need a month of research. About 30 seconds is enough to counter blatant BS. Stating opinion as fact with no backup is sooo typical of the uninformed Right.

I won't even bother with your vitriol. It speaks for you a lot more than me.

Who are the biggest donors.

https://www.opensecrets.org/el...rview/biggest-donors

Big money, big stakes: 5 things everyone should know about money in 2024 elections
By Albert Serna Jr. and Anna Massoglia
November 6, 2024 5:14 pm

https://www.opensecrets.org/ne...ey-in-2024-election/

About 44% of all the money raised to support Trump came from just 10 individual megadonors.

07 November 2024, 19:40

M.Shy

quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
Whining isn't going to change the result. Trump won. Accept it and move on.

The good news. We do not have to deal with another 2020 Big Lie and the associated damage to the democratic institution of our elections and the divisiveness fomented by the Big Lie. We can look forward to a peaceful transfer of power unlike 2020. The GOP now controls both the Executive and Legislative branches, so they should be able to take on our country's profligate spending, healthcare, border security and other vexing issues . . . and if they don't there is no one to blame but themselves. They have a busy two years ahead of them. There is always the hope (not necessarily the expectation) that Trump may use his lame duck status to become more unifying in his messaging.

The bad news. Trump is still Trump, so while we can hope that his rhetoric about this being a time to heal is sincere, there is really no basis to believe that will be the case.

I think we will know a lot more once we see the cabinet picks start to be announced. Are they people of character with backgrounds of success and achievement or are they a group of yes-men and yes-women that were selected based solely on their willingness not to say no. In 2016 I was encouraged by Trump's cabinet picks but it soon became obvious that he had no intention of letting them do their jobs. So in 2024 I will again will hopeful that the leopard can change his spots . . . albeit skeptical. He is our President and we all hope that he, and the rest of the GOP, can do more to unify us than divide us.

Numbers don’t lie
2020 numbers were too big so IMO there was something nefarious going on comparing to numbers in 2024
Of course we disagree on it and that’s Ok

And this time, Dems must move on and stop whining too…
Positive thing is, Hollywood will move to ME or some other place and we’ll be better of

07 November 2024, 19:58

4WD

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Originally posted by 4WD:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Trump would never have won if it wasn’t for all the billionaires who bought him!

I researched the question a few days ago and based on the sources I found and read, the donations supporting Trump by billionaires exceeded that of Harris.

Magine Enigman,
Once again you are proving what a uninformed dumb ass you are! You are just another self proclaimed internet expert. Your one day of research response is so incomplete it’s comical. Maybe if you spend a about a month compiling detailed information you might be able to come up with the other 98% of your incomplete diatribe,You are a clown!
4WD

For a while this forum enjoyed your absence. Now, all righteous and emboldened you taint the forum with name calling and BS.

Magine Enima,
Wrong. You , your best buddy Headless and MJines were the biggest trolls, most aggressive, most offensive, spewing your radical liberal agenda. The name calling and insults were started and continued with you and your fellow radical liberal clowns. The majority have read your VITRIOL.
Your self proclaimed internet expert BS is just that BS. Add your incomplete list of Billionaire donors up. Then add up the other 754 billionaires you somehow coincidentally didn’t include in your list and tell us the results.
I am about as mainstream republican as they come. I am just so fed up with your Obama,Biden, Harris woke extremely radical liberal government you and your like have denigrated our country with . You are a biased uninformed clown who needs to shut the fuck up and realize our country does not agree with you or your woke uninformed radical liberal buddies.
4WD

07 November 2024, 20:07

theback40

Didnt harris have far more money to spend than Trump?
It had to come from somewhere quick, she only had 100 days as candidate. No word of floods of $5 donations pouring in.

07 November 2024, 20:11

Magine Enigam

quote:
I am about as mainstream republican as they come.

I wouldn't have agreed with that claim last week. But today, you may be mainstream Right. (pun intended)

Why take it out on me for stuff others have done to insult you?

I usually avoid name calling, and certainly avoid arguing with vile fools. But I'll make exception for you for entertainment value, what little there is, for a little while. When I partake in argument with fools on the internet, I pop a top on a Bud Lite, kick back and let you discredit yourself.

Good job so far. Usually one Bud Lite is enough. You may warrant two.

07 November 2024, 20:24

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by 4WD:
quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Trump would never have won if it wasn’t for all the billionaires who bought him!

I researched the question a few days ago and based on the sources I found and read, the donations supporting Trump by billionaires exceeded that of Harris.

Magine Enigman,
Once again you are proving what a uninformed dumb ass you are! You are just another self proclaimed internet expert. Your one day of research response is so incomplete it’s comical. Maybe if you spend a about a month compiling detailed information you might be able to come up with the other 98% of your incomplete diatribe,You are a clown!
4WD

I just noticed that you misattributed a quote to me.

I didn't post this initially. I quoted it from another participant, who also quoted it:

"Trump would never have won if it wasn’t for all the billionaires who bought him!"

07 November 2024, 20:31

4WD

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Why take it out on me for stuff others have done to insult I pop a top on a Bud Lite, kick back and let you discredit yourself.

Good job so far. Usually one Bud Lite is enough. You may warrant two.

Enima,
You are one if not the most VILE, aggressive, obnoxious, pig headed, relentless, WOKE, uninformed, cruel, self absorbed, arrogant, radical liberal ,obnoxious, unforgiving, unforgettable,did I say WOKE individuals on the ARPF.
Your comments about your affinity for “BUD LIGHT” has explained TO US WHO YOU REALLY ARE

To fuckin funny.
4WD

07 November 2024, 20:36

Magine Enigam

The joke is on you.

"Unforgettable"

That's the best compliment I've had in a while.

Of course I'm projecting my own values there.
I forget and write off notorious internet characters pretty quickly. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame.

OTOH, you can start paying rent anytime.

07 November 2024, 20:56

4WD

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The joke is on you.

"Unforgettable"

That's the best compliment I've had in a while.

Of course I'm projecting my own values there.
I forget and write off notorious internet characters pretty quickly. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame.

OTOH, you can start paying rent anytime.

Enima,
Glad you enjoyed my “unforgettable “ comment and that you read my every word.

Go have some more of your “Bud Light’s “ lol. That is just to funny! that you admitted to our affinity for “BUD LIGHT” . That is one of the funniest admissions I have read from one of you WOKES all political season. God Bless America!
4WD

07 November 2024, 21:11

Huvius

quote:
Originally posted by theback40:
Didnt harris have far more money to spend than Trump?
It had to come from somewhere quick, she only had 100 days as candidate. No word of floods of $5 donations pouring in.

It was the first $Billion campaign and she lost - bigly.

It will be interesting to see if the pro popular vote movement reassesses their folly after this election.

Would have been hysterical if Harris lost the EC vote because enough states signed onto the popular vote compact.
That is, if she had won the EC.

07 November 2024, 21:12

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by 4WD:

Enima,
Glad you enjoyed my “unforgettable “ comment and that you read my every word.

Go have some more of your “Bud Light’s “ lol. That is just to funny! that you admitted to our affinity for “BUD LIGHT” . That is one of the funniest admissions I have read from one of you WOKES all political season. God Bless America!
4WD

"Funny" is subjective.

I'm glad that you think my Bud Lite joke is funny.

In the same way, stretching the definition of "funny", maybe amused is a better word, I think it's funny that you allowed me to lead you into a meaningless debate.

As I said, you can start rent payments anytime.

Part of my amusement is that you and a few others are just too easy. I finished about half of my 2nd Bud Lite. Go ahead, make my day.