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I'd just say one more thing and then I'm done with this...I'm on record as saying I don't know what the solution is. But, when one side starts starving innocents on the other side to death, it's time to re-evaluate our support for the side implementing that policy.

I'm all for re evaluating support, but not in the middle of a fight.

And ill add that i think I know less of what a solution is than you.

You know what bro? There isn't a solution. I'm old and this shit has been going on my whole life. And, it is going to continue to go on. As many folks have stated on here, all the Israelis are doing right now is creating the next generation of fighters for Hamas or some other terrorist organization. And, all Hamas is doing is forcing the Israelis to double down on their security efforts. It's circular and intractable.

We should try to stay as far away from it as possible.

If you're going to call me bro, (taken as a compliment,) can I call you Dude? ( said with brotherly love,) ?

Scott, I view you as a friend and I want to disagree diplomatically.

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The bottom line is this, neither side has shown the ability to live with the other, there have been wrongs committed by settlers and the IDF going back to day 1. It’s not just mistakes as you seek to portray them. Settlers burning out Palestinian farms, beating and killing Palestinians, poisoning Palestinian farmers wells, the list is endless. It’s not a “ mistake” burning out farms and houses and then building a settlement there. Nothing justifies the wholesale slaughter of people in this instance.

Nute, you argue among other things that you know better than Doc and yet you are as far removed and no more experienced or informed than any other Westerner. You make your decisions and have your preferences based exclusively on the media you decide to believe, your peers opinions that you like and how a particular breakfast settled in your mid section.

Just like most of the rest of us, certainly me.

But Hamas is the long time government in authority over the Palestinians, strike one. Hamas chooses to and the Palestinians choose to let Hamas conduct its war exclusively from behind civilian people and infrastructure, strike two.
Despite staggering losses and defeat, Hamas refuses to retreat, surrender, capitulate, etc, and the Palestinians refuse to give Hamas up and retreat, surrender, capitulate. Strike three.

If Israel retreats from Gaza, Hamas is resurgent. If Israel continues its pursuit, it appears that Hamas is happy and willing to sacrifice its very last child. It looks to me like the Kushner takeover is the best plan.

Scott, the examples I cited of horrendous things perpetrated by Israeli settlers predate the 10/7 when the press still had access to the area. Neither incident has been challenged by Israel and both are well documented. As are many many other incidents of beatings, burnings and destruction of legacy owned Palestinian property.

Settlers building on Palestinian land is also pretty easy to check.

The IDF murdering aid workers then burying the vehicles and bodies having come up with a cock and bull tale about how the aid workers vehicles were behaving ... only to find there was phone footage of what really happened ..is also well documented.

If you want to go a bit further back the various atrocities are also historical fact. If you choose not to believe them that's up to you.

I have an interest in history. I will read around a subject and look at what information is available from both sides. If you don't want to inform yourself and just condemn thousands of innocent people to death (and probably a few guilty ones mixed in with them ) is up to you. I don't claim to be an expert, but just because I don't live there doesn't mean I'm ignorant on the subject.

Read the times of Israel article linked above. Yes the times of Isreal is left leaning, but the increase in support for Hamas since the current conflict started is telling. Ive said it before, maybe you feel differently, but the fact is that Palestinians are not just in Gaza, there are thousands of them in surrounding countries and the West Bank. If you think by exterminating every living soul in Gaza that you won't be motivating all their brothers, cousins, fathers and sons to take revenge, with respect, you are naive.

You beliving i advocate exterminating every living soul is the latest example of your preconceived notions based on your breakfast.

Doc and I are under the impression that Hamas has very broad, very large majority support from the Palestinians. You insist the opposite. From your seat in Britain.

Having survived the Battle of Britain, how popular would you have been with your neighbors for protesting German civilian deaths in the subsequent battles in europe?

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You beliving i advocate exterminating every living soul is the latest example of your preconceived notions based on your breakfast.

Doc and I are under the impression that Hamas has very broad, very large majority support from the Palestinians. You insist the opposite. From your seat in Britain.

Having survived the Battle of Britain, how popular would you have been with your neighbors for protesting German civilian deaths in the subsequent battles in europe?