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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
According to Democrats and TDS’rs it’s in the thousands of women. The worst case was forcing wealthy Russian women studying liberal arts to pee on him.

The Democrats will say anything that might serve their purpose but were they present when what they claim actually happened or are they spouting their Democratic shit as usual?

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I am going to bet you now the counter snipers had him in their scopes

If they did not…they were beyond incompetent

and were trying to get a green light to shoot.

Why (I am not meaning this inflammatory to the person who wrote it…just a legitimate question) WHY would they need to ask for a green light? The man had the high ground with a rifle! Should that not be pre-installed as a “green light?” I thought that was a counter sniper’s job — to locate and eliminate other snipes before they could shoot.

Once the scumbag shot they no longer had to wait.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I think I'll refrain from commenting on the obsession by the right with pedos. Too bizarre for me thanks.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I think you are both right.

But here's the deal - we don't know for sure either way. So it's speculation, although legit questions.

As I recall from seeing what I thought were the first pictures of the counter-snipers, was that they were already lined up on the shooter before he fired shots.

There will be investigations, the results of which will be nit-picked, denied, spun, so there will still be questions.

Meanwhile conspiracy theories will run amuck, and GOPer MAGAs will reap/squeeze as much blood out of this awful turnip of event as possible.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I think you are both right.

But here's the deal - we don't know for sure either way. So it's speculation, although legit questions.

As I recall from seeing what I thought were the first pictures of the counter-snipers, was that they were already lined up on the shooter before he fired shots.

There will be investigations, the results of which will be nit-picked, denied, spun, so there will still be questions.

Meanwhile conspiracy theories will run amuck, and GOPer MAGAs will reap/squeeze as much blood out of this awful turnip of event as possible.

Possible they thought that he could be one of them and they were afraid of killing one of their own.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I think you are both right.

But here's the deal - we don't know for sure either way. So it's speculation, although legit questions.

As I recall from seeing what I thought were the first pictures of the counter-snipers, was that they were already lined up on the shooter before he fired shots.

There will be investigations, the results of which will be nit-picked, denied, spun, so there will still be questions.

Meanwhile conspiracy theories will run amuck, and GOPer MAGAs will reap/squeeze as much blood out of this awful turnip of event as possible.

Possible they thought that he could be one of them and they were afraid of killing one of their own.

I'm pretty sure, the way the kid was dressed, they didn't think he was one of their own.
The counter sniper that had him in his view, has a "POLICE" patch on his back so I'm thinking he was a state, county or local officer rather than some SS sniper, not sure how an actual SS overwatch sniper would present.
100% he had the shooter in his sights and appeared to wait until he shot - it's all on video.

The first question to be asked is WHY?

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Originally posted by fairgame:


One picture is worth 1000 words

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I think you are both right.

But here's the deal - we don't know for sure either way. So it's speculation, although legit questions.

As I recall from seeing what I thought were the first pictures of the counter-snipers, was that they were already lined up on the shooter before he fired shots.

There will be investigations, the results of which will be nit-picked, denied, spun, so there will still be questions.

Meanwhile conspiracy theories will run amuck, and GOPer MAGAs will reap/squeeze as much blood out of this awful turnip of event as possible.

Possible they thought that he could be one of them and they were afraid of killing one of their own.

I'm pretty sure, the way the kid was dressed, they didn't think he was one of their own.
The counter sniper that had him in his view, has a "POLICE" patch on his back so I'm thinking he was a state, county or local officer rather than some SS sniper, not sure how an actual SS overwatch sniper would present.
100% he had the shooter in his sights and appeared to wait until he shot - it's all on video.

The first question to be asked is WHY?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
From the man with the longest confirmed sniper hit.



I'm very familiar with the layout of these types of things and what the job should be, and yesterday what happened, I have no doubts in my mind that the shooter had help from somewhere within an agency, an organization or the government,' he said in a video posted to his Instagram and X account.


He might be right!

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I think you are both right.

But here's the deal - we don't know for sure either way. So it's speculation, although legit questions.

As I recall from seeing what I thought were the first pictures of the counter-snipers, was that they were already lined up on the shooter before he fired shots.

There will be investigations, the results of which will be nit-picked, denied, spun, so there will still be questions.

Meanwhile conspiracy theories will run amuck, and GOPer MAGAs will reap/squeeze as much blood out of this awful turnip of event as possible.

Possible they thought that he could be one of them and they were afraid of killing one of their own.

I'm pretty sure, the way the kid was dressed, they didn't think he was one of their own.
The counter sniper that had him in his view, has a "POLICE" patch on his back so I'm thinking he was a state, county or local officer rather than some SS sniper, not sure how an actual SS overwatch sniper would present.
100% he had the shooter in his sights and appeared to wait until he shot - it's all on video.

The first question to be asked is WHY?

How do you know that the counter-sniper had the shooter "in his view?"

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The BBC was the first to report that multiple people shouted out to warn law enforcement about this man. The Associated Press reported that a law enforcement officer climbed up on the roof and confronted the shooter before climbing back down again without stopping him.

~Ann

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Originally posted by shankspony:
There is the saying, dont attribute to malice what you can to incompetence.
Id add luck too that.

The cop that confronted the shooter on the roof might well have saved trumps life. Forcing the shooter to hurry his shot. And you can kind of understand him ducking back down when confronted with a rifle.

Also having watched the footage a few times. I dont believe you see the return fire from the counter sniper team. What it looks like to me is they are focused on a disturbance left of where the shooter is. probably people yelling about the sniper. he looks up to get a wider view given its so close, the shot s start, he flinches as shot gos pretty close to his position and identifies where shots came from, and then readjusts rifle and stand at which point camera gos off of him and focusses of Trump.
after that you hear a volley of shots in quick succession. My guess is more than one counter sniper fires.

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I think I'll refrain from commenting on the obsession by the right with pedos. Too bizarre for me thanks.

And as usual you will not comment on the Left's embracing of pedo's....oh wait we can't call them "pedo's" they are "minor attracted persons".

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
There is the saying, dont attribute to malice what you can to incompetence.
Id add luck too that.

The cop that confronted the shooter on the roof might well have saved trumps life. Forcing the shooter to hurry his shot. And you can kind of understand him ducking back down when confronted with a rifle.

Also having watched the footage a few times. I dont believe you see the return fire from the counter sniper team. What it looks like to me is they are focused on a disturbance left of where the shooter is. probably people yelling about the sniper. he looks up to get a wider view given its so close, the shot s start, he flinches as shot gos pretty close to his position and identifies where shots came from, and then readjusts rifle and stand at which point camera gos off of him and focusses of Trump.
after that you hear a volley of shots in quick succession. My guess is more than one counter sniper fires.

Agreed. With all your comments above.

I suspect incompetence instead of malice as you put it. But at that level, incompetence can't be tolerated.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I'm not one for conspiracy theories and I very seldom comment here in the political forum.

That said, I have a question here.

How did an untrained kid (at least no reports of him having any military or evasion training), manage to park his van a couple hundred yards away, walk across the exposed area in plain sight with a long gun, manage to get to a building only 130 yards or so away from the former president without being stopped by any LEO official, climb the permanently attached ladder (why were there no security officers guarding that ladder on a building so close to his target), and get off shots before being engaged by the counter sniper team.

I somewhat understand the delay in the counter sniper team engaging him until positive ID, SORT OF UNDERSTAND that as I'm not privy to the on site ROE, but still question it. But how in the hell did he achieve that elevated position that close? If you look at the overhead photos of the area lay out, something isn't right here.

I heard (anything from the press these days is highly suspect) that the Secret Service is blaming the local police force for allowing him to get to that building, saying it was their responsibility. That's unsatisfactory. The Secret Service should have an onsite commander that dictates everyone's responsibilities, with sub commanders in constant communication with their teams, ensuring all security issues are properly accounted for and being executed properly.

This was a monumental failure of the Secret Service, full stop. Regardless of it happening to Trump, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, the next set of presidential candidates to come in future elections, etc., THIS TYPE OF SECURITY LAPSE CANNOT HAPPEN.

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Originally posted by Huvius:
It just keeps getting worse…

The building he shot from was the police staging area!

https://abcnews.go.com/Politic...MUTDTEGYAlI6iqsRn9mw

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I'm not one for conspiracy theories and I very seldom comment here in the political forum.

That said, I have a question here.

How did an untrained kid (at least no reports of him having any military or evasion training), manage to park his van a couple hundred yards away, walk across the exposed area in plain sight with a long gun, manage to get to a building only 130 yards or so away from the former president without being stopped by any LEO official, climb the permanently attached ladder (why were there no security officers guarding that ladder on a building so close to his target), and get off shots before being engaged by the counter sniper team.

I somewhat understand the delay in the counter sniper team engaging him until positive ID, SORT OF UNDERSTAND that as I'm not privy to the on site ROE, but still question it. But how in the hell did he achieve that elevated position that close? If you look at the overhead photos of the area lay out, something isn't right here.

I heard (anything from the press these days is highly suspect) that the Secret Service is blaming the local police force for allowing him to get to that building, saying it was their responsibility. That's unsatisfactory. The Secret Service should have an onsite commander that dictates everyone's responsibilities, with sub commanders in constant communication with their teams, ensuring all security issues are properly accounted for and being executed properly.

This was a monumental failure of the Secret Service, full stop. Regardless of it happening to Trump, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, the next set of presidential candidates to come in future elections, etc., THIS TYPE OF SECURITY LAPSE CANNOT HAPPEN.

Complacency? The SS vets dozens of campaign sites a year. Nothing ever happens. Until it does.

I agree with you though, it is very difficult to understand. The shooter must have concealed the weapon somehow, right? Or, maybe it's just a Kyle Rittenhouse situation and everybody ought to be able to carry an AR-15 wherever they want?

However, the idea that it's some sort of conspiracy involving Biden, the DOJ and the SS is absurd. Does anybody here think that the SS and the law enforcement personnel on site are secret Democrats who would participate in some sort conspiracy to asassinate trump? Ridiculous. I'd be willing to bet serious money that the vast majority of the SS and law enforcement personnel involved in security at the site will be voting for trump.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

I'll leave the pedo talk to you

Q?? Q??

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

I'll leave the pedo talk to you

Q?? Q??

You brought the subject up, figured you had experience in the field.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

It is more disturbing now that even RFK Jr was denied SS protection. This needs to change.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Here's the best commentary I've seen.

Don't miss the last part, after the ad, which you can scroll past.

https://youtu.be/n2qkzrO5sHw?si=IH-OJ3809Pz3EML_

So Trump Got Shot (a Little Bit, Anyway)

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

I'll leave the pedo talk to you

Q?? Q??

You brought the subject up, figured you had experience in the field.

Another ring winger challenged by the concept of honesty...why am I not surprised?

It was Fulvio that brought the pedo comments into the conversation, pg5 of this thread.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

I'll leave the pedo talk to you

Q?? Q??

You brought the subject up, figured you had experience in the field.

Another ring winger challenged by the concept of honesty...why am I not surprised?

It was Fulvio that brought the pedo comments into the conversation, pg5 of this thread.

Actually the "pedo" part was introduced by Hasher on the same Page 5 (15.07.2024 @ 08:13):

If you cannot understand hwo he got there since a candidate gets a tiny percentage of what the Prez or VP gets then you are not a moron.

You are a bloody moron who will tell any lie to get your Pedo president re-elected.

Please feel free to block me.

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