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posted 10 March 2024 02:44
During his State of the Union Address President Biden covered many topics, but the one that may matter most was little noticed at the time.

The President mentioned that the technology involved in creating the COVID vaccine, mRNA, is being explored for use to treat cancer.

As Newsweek put it:
quote:
Responding on his Truth Social website, Trump look credit for the vaccines' rapid approval, commenting: "YOU'RE WELCOME, JOE, NINE MONTH APPROVAL TIME VS. 12 YEARS THAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN YOU!"


And all the anti-vaxxers, from Alex Jones to Robert Kennedy Jr., melted right the hell down. On Twitter and Truth Social hundreds or thousands of posts denounced the Orange One.

It's absolutely glorious.


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posted 10 March 2024 03:52Hide Post
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/n...on-officials-confirm

Obama team left pandemic playbook for Trump administration, officials confirm

https://www.statnews.com/2020/...to-the-covid-19-era/

A pandemic plan was in place. Trump abandoned it — and science — in the face of Covid-19

(excerpt)

President Obama was bothered. It was the summer of 2009 and he was in a meeting at the White House to talk about preparations for an expected autumn outbreak of swine flu. Elbows on the table, he thumbed through the pages of a report on preparations for it.

“So,” he asked no one in particular, “if you guys are so smart, how come you’re still making this in eggs?” he asked, referring to the nearly century-old process for making vaccines in chicken eggs.

Those around the table erupted into laughter. The president’s quip was a moment of levity at an otherwise serious meeting.

The “smart guys” the president was jesting with were the members of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, or PCAST. Founded in 1990 by President George H. W. Bush, the council, administered by the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), is an advisory group of scientists and engineers appointed by the president to augment the science advice he receives from other White House advisors, departments, and agencies.

In June 2009, the recently inaugurated Obama had given his PCAST advisors their first assignment: What does the president need to do to prepare for an influenza pandemic? Five weeks later, on Aug. 7, they gave him their answers at a meeting in the White House’s State Dining Room.

The story of this meeting and the ensuing eight years of science-informed policy making, which I have drawn from interviews with members of PCAST and internet archives of documents, show a president comfortable with having back-and-forth discussions with an assembly of the some of the nation’s top scientific minds. The president was committed to integrating science into his day-to-day decisions. One of those decisions was how to plan for and respond to the outbreak of a pandemic illness.

Over the course of the Obama presidency, a pandemic infrastructure was put in place. It included recommendations for a top-level White House official devoted to planning and responding to emerging infectious threats and, to guide that person’s work, the “Playbook for early response to high-consequence emerging infectious disease threats and biological incidents.”

And then on Jan. 21, 2017, Donald Trump became president.


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posted 10 March 2024 03:54Hide Post
If you read up, you will find Trump followed the CDC guidelines they gave him.
 
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posted 10 March 2024 04:01Hide Post
https://www.usatoday.com/story...idelines/3636834001/

President Trump and his staff defied CDC coronavirus guidelines 27 times since Sept. 1. President Donald Trump and members of his administration have often flouted guidelines aimed at preventing the spread of COVID-19, according to a review of news events by USA TODAY.Oct 6, 2020

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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posted 10 March 2024 04:39Hide Post
I was refering to vaccine making and distributing.
But sure, lets talk about guidelines.
Like the people in the BLM crowds and riots. They were allowed to flout all the same guidelines.
Or the Dems that traveled and had parties during the same lockdowns.
None with power thought the rules applied to them.
As we know now, most ended up being BS and it really didnt matter in the long run.
 
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posted 10 March 2024 05:02Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by theback40:
I was refering to vaccine making and distributing.
But sure, lets talk about guidelines.
Like the people in the BLM crowds and riots. They were allowed to flout all the same guidelines.
Or the Dems that traveled and had parties during the same lockdowns.
None with power thought the rules applied to them.
As we know now, most ended up being BS and it really didnt matter in the long run.


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Average excess death rates in Florida and Ohio were 76% higher among Republicans than Democrats from March 2020 to December 2021, according to a working paper released last month by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Excess deaths refers to deaths above what would be anticipated based on historical trends.

A study in June published in Health Affairs similarly found that counties with a Republican majority had a greater share of Covid deaths through October 2021, relative to majority-Democratic counties.

But experts are still puzzling over why these differences exist. Are lower vaccination rates among Republicans responsible? Or did mask use and social distancing guidelines prevent more deaths in counties run by Democrats?


Link


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posted 10 March 2024 07:54Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/n...on-officials-confirm

Obama team left pandemic playbook for Trump administration, officials confirm

https://www.statnews.com/2020/...to-the-covid-19-era/

A pandemic plan was in place. Trump abandoned it — and science — in the face of Covid-19

(excerpt)

President Obama was bothered. It was the summer of 2009 and he was in a meeting at the White House to talk about preparations for an expected autumn outbreak of swine flu. Elbows on the table, he thumbed through the pages of a report on preparations for it.

“So,” he asked no one in particular, “if you guys are so smart, how come you’re still making this in eggs?” he asked, referring to the nearly century-old process for making vaccines in chicken eggs.

Those around the table erupted into laughter. The president’s quip was a moment of levity at an otherwise serious meeting.

The “smart guys” the president was jesting with were the members of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, or PCAST. Founded in 1990 by President George H. W. Bush, the council, administered by the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), is an advisory group of scientists and engineers appointed by the president to augment the science advice he receives from other White House advisors, departments, and agencies.

In June 2009, the recently inaugurated Obama had given his PCAST advisors their first assignment: What does the president need to do to prepare for an influenza pandemic? Five weeks later, on Aug. 7, they gave him their answers at a meeting in the White House’s State Dining Room.

The story of this meeting and the ensuing eight years of science-informed policy making, which I have drawn from interviews with members of PCAST and internet archives of documents, show a president comfortable with having back-and-forth discussions with an assembly of the some of the nation’s top scientific minds. The president was committed to integrating science into his day-to-day decisions. One of those decisions was how to plan for and respond to the outbreak of a pandemic illness.

Over the course of the Obama presidency, a pandemic infrastructure was put in place. It included recommendations for a top-level White House official devoted to planning and responding to emerging infectious threats and, to guide that person’s work, the “Playbook for early response to high-consequence emerging infectious disease threats and biological incidents.”

And then on Jan. 21, 2017, Donald Trump became president.


How familiar was Fauci with the playbook?


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posted 10 March 2024 17:55Hide Post
Vermont, a blue state, has the highest vax rate in the country at 96-97%. They also had the highest covid rate per population this season.
Jeffi's speculative post means the same as this one..... nothing. They dont know why.
 
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posted 10 March 2024 18:14Hide Post
It still amazes me that people think there was a way for government “to handle” COVID.

Once SARS CoV-2 left China…the rest was history. It was going to do what it did and herd immunity was going to prevail as it did.

Hopefully, what we learned from the pandemic was not to beat ourselves in the head as we did last round.

Inform the people. Suggest helpful measures. Fund treatment and vaccine research. Carry on life the best it can be.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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posted 10 March 2024 19:57Hide Post
Any sane politician would stay as far away from the covid vaccine fiasco as he possibly could. Bragging on the development of an ineffective vaccine to combat a human caused, hyped up, pandemic, while refusing to recognize its origins, or make any attempt to exclude it from the country, is not part of a winning strategy. Regards, Bill.
 
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posted 10 March 2024 20:30Hide Post
Here's some interesting statistics:

https://www.nytimes.com/intera.../us/covid-cases.html

Track Covid-19 in the U.S.
Updated March 8, 2024

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/c...ations-survey-trust/

A quarter of Americans distrust CDC recommendations, survey finds
By Alexander Tin

March 7, 2023 / 8:22 PM EST / CBS News


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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posted 10 March 2024 20:39Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Here's some interesting statistics:

https://www.nytimes.com/intera.../us/covid-cases.html

Track Covid-19 in the U.S.
Updated March 8, 2024

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/c...ations-survey-trust/

A quarter of Americans distrust CDC recommendations, survey finds
By Alexander Tin

March 7, 2023 / 8:22 PM EST / CBS News


So where do these "trusted" doctors get their information from? Likely the CDC.


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posted 10 March 2024 21:08Hide Post
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So where do these "trusted" doctors get their information from? Likely the CDC.
tu2

What I learned from the scope of it all (covid) is actually too much to list in a short post. First, I would have to sort out what was affirmed and what was learned new.

I don't want to spend the time to do it for nothing.

There is lots of good info out there.

But this needs to be boiled down a bit, and somewhat stay within the premise of this thread.

Here's just one example of "good" info. Note that I skipped the media partially because many have criticized or don't trust the media.

https://oversight.house.gov/re...n-lab-leak%EF%BF%BC/

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak

Spoiler: Note that the Natural Origin Theory and the Lab Leak Theory are both still THEORIES.

The intentional lab leak is far-fetched.

Here's a sample:

Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) warned that the media downplayed, discredited, and silenced voices of experts sounding the alarm that COVID-19 may have originated from a lab in Wuhan, China.

Chairman Comer: “Would you agree that the scientific establishment used the media to downplay the lab leak theory?”

Mr. Wade: “I think the media was used in this particular campaign to establish the natural origin theory.

“The scientific community is very afraid to speak up on political issues. I think the reason is that government grants are handed out through the system of peer-reviewed committees. You don’t want any single scientist on your peer-review committee to vote against, because you won’t get your grant – it’s so competitive. Therefore, scientists are very reluctant to say anything that’s politically divisive or turn other scientists off against them. This means that they cannot be relied upon in the way that we would like them to be independent and forthright and call it as they see it.”

Comer: “Was there science available to make such an unequivocal statement against the possibility of a lab leak that early on in February of 2020?”

Witnesses Dr. Metzl, Mr. Wade, and Dr. Redfield all answered, “No.”

Comer: “Is the possibility COVID-19 leaked from a lab a conspiracy theory?”

Witnesses answered, “No.”

==================================================================

Note that Comer did not phrase the question thusly - “Is there science available to make an unequivocal statement for or against either the lab leak or the natural origin theories?”

==================================================================

So, as we all know Comer is the expert on spin. He wasn't after truth. He was after affirmation. But the affirmation he actually got wasn't what he was seeking. What he got was what we already knew from the science community. The origin was Wuhan, either the wet market or other natural occurrence, or the Wuhan lab from which the GMO virus escaped.

Which is worse, political spin or the media?

Another question: Why was it so important to Rightists to make Fauci wrong, and use so much TP $ attempting to do that?


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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posted 10 March 2024 21:31Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
It still amazes me that people think there was a way for government “to handle” COVID.

Once SARS CoV-2 left China…the rest was history. It was going to do what it did and herd immunity was going to prevail as it did.

Hopefully, what we learned from the pandemic was not to beat ourselves in the head as we did last round.

Inform the people. Suggest helpful measures. Fund treatment and vaccine research. Carry on life the best it can be.


I wonder about this, is it possible that the rate is down now because the most vulnerable population is already dead?


TomP

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posted 10 March 2024 23:27Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
It still amazes me that people think there was a way for government “to handle” COVID.

Once SARS CoV-2 left China…the rest was history. It was going to do what it did and herd immunity was going to prevail as it did.

Hopefully, what we learned from the pandemic was not to beat ourselves in the head as we did last round.

Inform the people. Suggest helpful measures. Fund treatment and vaccine research. Carry on life the best it can be.


I wonder about this, is it possible that the rate is down now because the most vulnerable population is already dead?


The most vulnerable don’t contribute as much to transmission of this virus as the more resistant.

Rates are down due to herd immunity just as every competent immunologist suggested would happen.

If it didn’t take place in this manner…humans would have ceased to exist millennia ago.

We’re going to come through the other side regardless.


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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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posted 11 March 2024 00:57Hide Post
I think Kabob, you are seeing what you want to see.
Remember the Boston marathon bombing. Calls to have Obo declare it a Terrorist act.
He finally came out and spoke and said " no acts of terror will"
The R,s claimed he still didnt call it a terrorist act. The dems said yes he did just different words. The next person will want it said a third way.
 
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posted 11 March 2024 01:02Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by theback40:
If you read up, you will find Trump followed the CDC guidelines they gave him.


You mean the recs for chlorox enemas, livestock anti-helminths, and UV light therapy? Oh, that’s right, those were his recommendations…… 2020 cuckoo


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posted 11 March 2024 01:30Hide Post
I think President Trump could have done a better job w Covid. However, I place no blame or fault at him for the overall response to the pandemic.

My fault is he was too slow and ran his mouth about UVs, animal meds, did not do enough to stop anti-vaxing, and Bleach.

The “shutdown,” social distancing, quarantines, etc., he is not to be blamed for. He ran the playbook. He did so in-artfully. Yet, what all the folks who wanted what the CDC wanted got the sway.
 
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posted 11 March 2024 02:34Hide Post
I'm not going to stick up for trumps mouth and BS.
But most all of those topics were taken out of context. I know how to use fact check, and not just what the media tells me.
 
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posted 11 March 2024 02:43Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
It still amazes me that people think there was a way for government “to handle” COVID.

Once SARS CoV-2 left China…the rest was history. It was going to do what it did and herd immunity was going to prevail as it did.

Hopefully, what we learned from the pandemic was not to beat ourselves in the head as we did last round.

Inform the people. Suggest helpful measures. Fund treatment and vaccine research. Carry on life the best it can be.


I don't think you should be amazed, you allude to a better response the government should have taken yourself.

The rush to panic as driven by the 24 hour news cycle, hysterical opinion polls and "Rulers" obsessing over re election killed us.

The kids were all fine, they should have stayed in school, all of them.

All working Americans are, "essential workers", get to work, stay at work. If you just can't handle it, go hide in the closet, but government ain't gonna babysit you.

The seniors and most vulnerable can isolate, they generally ain't "essential" and we can assist this minor fraction.

Perhaps most importantly, government and our "rulers" can guide and lead. When social or cultural divisions appear like when Rachel Maddow refered to maskless Americans as, "the enemy", a "Ruler" can artfully as LHeym said, disagree and tamp that stuff down. A Head of State, a Commander in Chief must do better than school closures, Convalescent Home pad locked and swallowing lightbulbs.
 
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posted 11 March 2024 05:27Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
It still amazes me that people think there was a way for government “to handle” COVID.

Once SARS CoV-2 left China…the rest was history. It was going to do what it did and herd immunity was going to prevail as it did.

Hopefully, what we learned from the pandemic was not to beat ourselves in the head as we did last round.

Inform the people. Suggest helpful measures. Fund treatment and vaccine research. Carry on life the best it can be.


I wonder about this, is it possible that the rate is down now because the most vulnerable population is already dead?


The most vulnerable don’t contribute as much to transmission of this virus as the more resistant.

Rates are down due to herd immunity just as every competent immunologist suggested would happen.

If it didn’t take place in this manner…humans would have ceased to exist millennia ago.

We’re going to come through the other side regardless.


Then what accounts for the higher rates in Republican-led States? Higher vaccination rates and mask use weren't the difference?

Your vast training on goat hemorrhoids tells you it's coincidence?


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posted 11 March 2024 05:37Hide Post
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When social or cultural divisions appear like when Rachel Maddow refered to maskless Americans as, "the enemy", a "Ruler" can artfully as LHeym said, disagree and tamp that stuff down.


Scott, I wonder sometimes - do you ever go back and read what you write and edit before or after posting?

I do practically every time. I edit corrections in sentence structure and punctuation, change specific words for clarity, and even add or remove whole sentences.

I tried to fact check your claim that Maddow said maskless Americans are the enemy. I found no corroboration. Frankly, I find that to be something she wouldn't say. I could be wrong of course.

The rest of your rant sentence, IMO, is just off in la la somewhere. I could have some fun unpackaging that part about "Ruler", "artfully", "tamp that stuff down". That's ripe.

Note that I started this post with "Scott". What that means is that I'm speaking to you specifically. I didn't use the word "we".

But it's on the open forum, so anyone can chime in.

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Edit, for example:

I have already edited this post maybe 10 times. Here's a big one.

I went back and re-read your post for the fourth-fifth time. First read, I didn't get it all. Now, mostly I agree with you, but I would have said it differently. The quote I isolated above still stands alone.

Yet another edit:

quote:
The seniors and most vulnerable can isolate, they generally ain't "essential" and we can assist this minor fraction.


I take exception with that too.

Just when did seniors become "ain't essential"?

And just when did "isolate" become practical?

What do you mean "we can assist this minor fraction"?


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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posted 11 March 2024 05:45Hide Post
But, it's only a couple people, we got it under control....1 million later and the idiots still exist.
 
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posted 11 March 2024 06:20Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
When social or cultural divisions appear like when Rachel Maddow refered to maskless Americans as, "the enemy", a "Ruler" can artfully as LHeym said, disagree and tamp that stuff down.


Scott, I wonder sometimes - do you ever go back and read what you write and edit before or after posting?

I do practically every time. I edit corrections in sentence structure and punctuation, change specific words for clarity, and even add or remove whole sentences.

I tried to fact check your claim that Maddow said maskless Americans are the enemy. I found no corroboration. Frankly, I find that to be something she wouldn't say. I could be wrong of course.

The rest of your rant sentence, IMO, is just off in la la somewhere. I could have some fun unpackaging that part about "Ruler", "artfully", "tamp that stuff down". That's ripe.

Note that I started this post with "Scott". What that means is that I'm speaking to you specifically. I didn't use the word "we".

But it's on the open forum, so anyone can chime in.

=========================================================

Edit, for example:

I have already edited this post maybe 10 times. Here's a big one.

I went back and re-read your post for the fourth-fifth time. First read, I didn't get it all. Now, mostly I agree with you, but I would have said it differently. The quote I isolated above still stands alone.

Big Grin



No, I don't edit allot. If I post here I'm no more or less expressing a thought. It maybe poorly worded or composed, my thoughts may well be ill thought out, it's just a thought.

I don't have to be right, I don't have to win, I don't have to have the last word or be victorious here.

https://thefederalist.com/2021...-as-selfish-threats/

This is where Maddow referred to maskless as a threat.

If I notice some glaring to me stupid grammar error I'll try to fix it, but I don't really mind being wrong or proven to be wrong so if someone here thinks I'm an idiot or whatever that's ok.

Edited to change the word 'bay' to 'may'. Big Grin
 
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posted 11 March 2024 06:33Hide Post
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I don't have to be right, I don't have to win, I don't have to have the last word or be victorious here.

https://thefederalist.com/2021...-as-selfish-threats/


I'm glad you said it. IMO, that's a realistic attitude, not only herein but anytime when dealing with political or maybe cultural issues.

Also, thanks for that article link. It appears to be a good article, despite the source. I think it bodes well for Maddow. I think Rightists don't often introspect like that and change their tune.

Did you notice how many times the words "feel" or "feeling" appear in the article?

I was working all day today with my far-right cousin. He wore a tee-shirt that said, "my rights don't end with your feelings". Big Grin Or maybe it was: "My rights don't end where your feelings start". You/we get the point.

There is a concept called "stream of consciousness". That's the way you write sometimes. Written out it looks like a rant, but it's not that. I work at avoiding it. Maybe I shouldn't. It's actually a valid way of expression.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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posted 11 March 2024 07:14Hide Post
Is there any believable source to the covid numbers.
 
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posted 11 March 2024 07:25Hide Post
quote:
Is there any believable source to the covid numbers.


Is there any believable source to the covid numbers statistics?

I wonder about that too.

To reach the answer "no" is more troubling than the question.

I refuse to accept that they are all lying. In my world, my reality, there are liars and those who cherish fact-based truth. I realize that's binary, which in reality may be a fallacy also. Roll Eyes

"Believable" has connotations, mostly about preconceptions.

So, a source that relies on facts and evidence, shown to be consistent, is reliable.

Belief or (seeking or supposedly attaining) affirmation thereof is NOT reliable, and mostly gets in the way of real knowledge.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
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I don't have to be right, I don't have to win, I don't have to have the last word or be victorious here.

https://thefederalist.com/2021...-as-selfish-threats/


I'm glad you said it. IMO, that's a realistic attitude, not only herein but anytime when dealing with political or maybe cultural issues.

Also, thanks for that article link. It appears to be a good article, despite the source. I think it bodes well for Maddow. I think Rightists don't often introspect like that and change their tune.

Did you notice how many times the words "feel" or "feeling" appear in the article?

I was working all day today with my far-right cousin. He wore a tee-shirt that said, "my rights don't end with your feelings". Big Grin Or maybe it was: "My rights don't end where your feelings start". You/we get the point.

There is a concept called "stream of consciousness". That's the way you write sometimes. Written out it looks like a rant, but it's not that. I work at avoiding it. Maybe I shouldn't. It's actually a valid way of expression.


If it helps any, I use "Ruler" because Saeed does and I think it's funny. LHeym used "artful" and I thought that was funny too.

I think the pf is a conversation, nothing more and I appreciate getting to converse with you, Mitchell, Lane, Dollar and LHeym. I don't expect anything, I don't want anything and I'm just content to banter.

Obviously it's more important to some and participants like the Leetle Person need to feel some Internet glory and I'm just happy to help the dimunative. If I can provide a shin or kneecap for him to punch it seems a minor inconvenience for me.

My "rant" as you say should be considered pretty innocuous.
 
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Originally posted by theback40:
I'm not going to stick up for trumps mouth and BS.
But most all of those topics were taken out of context. I know how to use fact check, and not just what the media tells me.


It amazes me that semi-intelligent people here keep repeating it though.


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posted 11 March 2024 17:25Hide Post
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Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by ledvm:
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Originally posted by TomP:
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Originally posted by ledvm:
It still amazes me that people think there was a way for government “to handle” COVID.

Once SARS CoV-2 left China…the rest was history. It was going to do what it did and herd immunity was going to prevail as it did.

Hopefully, what we learned from the pandemic was not to beat ourselves in the head as we did last round.

Inform the people. Suggest helpful measures. Fund treatment and vaccine research. Carry on life the best it can be.


I wonder about this, is it possible that the rate is down now because the most vulnerable population is already dead?


The most vulnerable don’t contribute as much to transmission of this virus as the more resistant.

Rates are down due to herd immunity just as every competent immunologist suggested would happen.

If it didn’t take place in this manner…humans would have ceased to exist millennia ago.

We’re going to come through the other side regardless.


Then what accounts for the higher rates in Republican-led States? Higher vaccination rates and mask use weren't the difference?

Your vast training on goat hemorrhoids tells you it's coincidence?


Gomer,
Did you think you were having a Shazam moment here?

None of what you are implying is statistically true.

Just compare TX & CA in end.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Originally posted by Scott King:

The seniors and most vulnerable can isolate, they generally ain't "essential" and we can assist this minor fraction.

Perhaps most importantly, government and our "rulers" can guide and lead. When social or cultural divisions appear like when Rachel Maddow refered to maskless Americans as, "the enemy", a "Ruler" can artfully as LHeym said, disagree and tamp that stuff down. A Head of State, a Commander in Chief must do better than school closures, Convalescent Home pad locked and swallowing lightbulbs.


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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I could have some fun unpackaging that part about "Ruler", "artfully", "tamp that stuff down". That's ripe.


Just when did seniors become "ain't essential"?

And just when did "isolate" become practical?

What do you mean "we can assist this minor fraction"?


quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:

If it helps any, I use "Ruler" because Saeed does and I think it's funny. LHeym used "artful" and I thought that was funny too.

I think the pf is a conversation, nothing more and I appreciate getting to converse with you, Mitchell, Lane, Dollar and LHeym. I don't expect anything, I don't want anything and I'm just content to banter.

Obviously it's more important to some and participants like the Leetle Person need to feel some Internet glory and I'm just happy to help the dimunative. If I can provide a shin or kneecap for him to punch it seems a minor inconvenience for me.

My "rant" as you say should be considered pretty innocuous.


Yea, I should have caught your irony/humor/mocking/satire. It's pretty dry and went over my head. Wink That was my fault, not yours. Now that I read it again in the light of a new day, it's actually a bit clever.


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"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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posted 11 March 2024 19:33Hide Post
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Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
It still amazes me that people think there was a way for government “to handle” COVID.

Once SARS CoV-2 left China…the rest was history. It was going to do what it did and herd immunity was going to prevail as it did.

Hopefully, what we learned from the pandemic was not to beat ourselves in the head as we did last round.

Inform the people. Suggest helpful measures. Fund treatment and vaccine research. Carry on life the best it can be.


I wonder about this, is it possible that the rate is down now because the most vulnerable population is already dead?


The most vulnerable don’t contribute as much to transmission of this virus as the more resistant.

Rates are down due to herd immunity just as every competent immunologist suggested would happen.

If it didn’t take place in this manner…humans would have ceased to exist millennia ago.

We’re going to come through the other side regardless.


Then what accounts for the higher rates in Republican-led States? Higher vaccination rates and mask use weren't the difference?

Your vast training on goat hemorrhoids tells you it's coincidence?


Gomer,
Did you think you were having a Shazam moment here?

None of what you are implying is statistically true.

Just compare TX & CA in end.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


Okay, California had 2,838 deaths per million of population, while Texas had 3,606. Are Texans just naturally weaker and more prone to death? Oklahoma 4,083, Mississippi 4,527, Louisiana 4,145, Alabama 4,311, Florida 4,404. Seems almost like a pattern showing exactly what I said, people in Republican-led States died at a considerably higher rate than those not afflicted with governments trying to please Trump.

If it wasn't vaccination and it wasn't mask use, why was it?


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...5d85cf496ef0c&ei=179

Trump’s vaccine rhetoric sends chills through public health circles
Story by Nathaniel Weixel • 1d


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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posted 11 March 2024 22:02Hide Post
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Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
It still amazes me that people think there was a way for government “to handle” COVID.

Once SARS CoV-2 left China…the rest was history. It was going to do what it did and herd immunity was going to prevail as it did.

Hopefully, what we learned from the pandemic was not to beat ourselves in the head as we did last round.

Inform the people. Suggest helpful measures. Fund treatment and vaccine research. Carry on life the best it can be.


I wonder about this, is it possible that the rate is down now because the most vulnerable population is already dead?


The most vulnerable don’t contribute as much to transmission of this virus as the more resistant.

Rates are down due to herd immunity just as every competent immunologist suggested would happen.

If it didn’t take place in this manner…humans would have ceased to exist millennia ago.

We’re going to come through the other side regardless.


Then what accounts for the higher rates in Republican-led States? Higher vaccination rates and mask use weren't the difference?

Your vast training on goat hemorrhoids tells you it's coincidence?


Gomer,
Did you think you were having a Shazam moment here?

None of what you are implying is statistically true.

Just compare TX & CA in end.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


Okay, California had 2,838 deaths per million of population, while Texas had 3,606. Are Texans just naturally weaker and more prone to death? Oklahoma 4,083, Mississippi 4,527, Louisiana 4,145, Alabama 4,311, Florida 4,404. Seems almost like a pattern showing exactly what I said, people in Republican-led States died at a considerably higher rate than those not afflicted with governments trying to please Trump.

If it wasn't vaccination and it wasn't mask use, why was it?


Gomer,
Using the numbers from that Website, there is no statistical significance between the numbers from TX and CA. That is a good comparison.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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posted 11 March 2024 22:32Hide Post
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Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
It still amazes me that people think there was a way for government “to handle” COVID.

Once SARS CoV-2 left China…the rest was history. It was going to do what it did and herd immunity was going to prevail as it did.

Hopefully, what we learned from the pandemic was not to beat ourselves in the head as we did last round.

Inform the people. Suggest helpful measures. Fund treatment and vaccine research. Carry on life the best it can be.


I wonder about this, is it possible that the rate is down now because the most vulnerable population is already dead?


The most vulnerable don’t contribute as much to transmission of this virus as the more resistant.

Rates are down due to herd immunity just as every competent immunologist suggested would happen.

If it didn’t take place in this manner…humans would have ceased to exist millennia ago.

We’re going to come through the other side regardless.


Then what accounts for the higher rates in Republican-led States? Higher vaccination rates and mask use weren't the difference?

Your vast training on goat hemorrhoids tells you it's coincidence?


Gomer,
Did you think you were having a Shazam moment here?

None of what you are implying is statistically true.

Just compare TX & CA in end.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


Okay, California had 2,838 deaths per million of population, while Texas had 3,606. Are Texans just naturally weaker and more prone to death? Oklahoma 4,083, Mississippi 4,527, Louisiana 4,145, Alabama 4,311, Florida 4,404. Seems almost like a pattern showing exactly what I said, people in Republican-led States died at a considerably higher rate than those not afflicted with governments trying to please Trump.

If it wasn't vaccination and it wasn't mask use, why was it?


Gomer,
Using the numbers from that Website, there is no statistical significance between the numbers from TX and CA. That is a good comparison.


I never realized that in Texas 25% more deaths is statistically insignificant.

How many would be?


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