13 May 2025, 01:19
TumbleweedThey know how to massage Trumps juvenile ego and stoke his lust for a Peace Prize.
…because Obama got one!
Citation: Carrick Ryan
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These men just played Trump...
They found a way to try and drive a wedge between him and Putin.
Yesterday, the leaders of France, Germany, Poland, and the UK gathered in a room with Zelensky. They then made an unscheduled phone call to Trump.
In that call, they disclosed a plan to give Putin an ultimatum: agree to a 30-day ceasefire and begin negotiations for peace, or they would supply Ukraine with overwhelming military support and coordinate additional sanctions that could suffocate a Russian economy finally beginning to show the mortal wounds of economic isolation.
In this call, they convinced Trump that this threat alone would force Putin to the negotiating table.
And they convinced Trump that if this worked... he would get the plaudits. The truth is, they know Putin doesn't want peace. As I've explained countless times, anyone who actually understands Putin and his geopolitical priorities knows he doesn't want a democratic Ukraine to survive.
Trump, evidently, has failed to grasp this. He still sees everything as a real estate deal and fails to appreciate the deeper ideological aspirations at play.
He is also notoriously easy to persuade, especially by someone like Macron. Starmer, meanwhile, is Trump's new best friend after he went along with his charade of a bilateral trade agreement. They've been buttering him up for this whole time.
Macron, Starmer, Merz, Tusk, and Zelensky appealed to Trump's vanity and his ignorance... and it looks like it worked.
They managed to get his verbal approval for the ultimatum during the call. And before anyone had the chance to explain the implications to Trump... they announced it. One by one, they gave speeches to the media where they made it absolutely clear that Trump was in on the deal. The USA was party to the ultimatum.
Putin then had to either accept an immediate ceasefire by Monday... or defy Trump.
As expected, before the deadline even came close, Putin rejected the offer outright. Because he does not want peace.
Trump has now effectively sanctioned the European plan for complete and unrestricted support of the Ukrainian military and agreed to cooperate on additional economic sanctions on Russia.
Just like that, the USA appears to be back on Ukraine's side, and it's all thanks to an unscheduled phone call.
I don't know whose plan it was, but it was brilliant.
13 May 2025, 05:23
Magine EnigamGreat post TW; informative.
I think it's just fine for Trump to get the peace prize, if he earns it.
Unlike Obama who got it for just being nice.
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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serpDegenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".
Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."
Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."
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O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.
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13 May 2025, 08:26
TumbleweedI think Obama got it just for not being Dubya.
At that time, the world thought the Dick ‘n Dubya combo was the craziest shit the Americans could come up with. Little did we know….
All he is trying to do is to end the killing
This could have ended it in 2014
quote:
The truth is, they know Putin doesn't want peace. As I've explained countless times, anyone who actually understands Putin and his geopolitical priorities knows he doesn't want a democratic Ukraine to survive.
Hahahahaha!
Bloody hell!
The puppet currently in charge has been installed by the CIA.
Just to start this war!
quote:
Originally posted by M.Shy:
All he is trying to do is to end the killing
This could have ended it in 2014
What he’s trying to do is make himself look good. There are countless places around the world where a genuine mother Theresa would want the killing stopped, but this one is topical and the US has previously been involved.
If they find some way of stopping this then they will get my applause, for what it’s worth.
The way to shove Putins hand up behind his back is to threaten and then supply as much military kit as Ukraine thinks it can use and twisting the EU’s arm to accelerate independence from Vlads gas. So the opposite of denying Ukraine intelligence sharing, limiting the effectiveness of weapons they already have and bushwhacking Zelenski on US TV … all the while putting no pressure on Russia … which has been Trumps game plan to date.
13 May 2025, 17:13
Steve BertramForgive him, he sees the world through orange tinted glasses
13 May 2025, 22:23
Philip A.quote:
Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
…because Obama got one!
Citation: Carrick Ryan
——
These men just played Trump...
They found a way to try and drive a wedge between him and Putin.
Yesterday, the leaders of France, Germany, Poland, and the UK gathered in a room with Zelensky. They then made an unscheduled phone call to Trump.
In that call, they disclosed a plan to give Putin an ultimatum: agree to a 30-day ceasefire and begin negotiations for peace, or they would supply Ukraine with overwhelming military support and coordinate additional sanctions that could suffocate a Russian economy finally beginning to show the mortal wounds of economic isolation.
In this call, they convinced Trump that this threat alone would force Putin to the negotiating table.
And they convinced Trump that if this worked... he would get the plaudits. The truth is, they know Putin doesn't want peace. As I've explained countless times, anyone who actually understands Putin and his geopolitical priorities knows he doesn't want a democratic Ukraine to survive.
Trump, evidently, has failed to grasp this. He still sees everything as a real estate deal and fails to appreciate the deeper ideological aspirations at play.
He is also notoriously easy to persuade, especially by someone like Macron. Starmer, meanwhile, is Trump's new best friend after he went along with his charade of a bilateral trade agreement. They've been buttering him up for this whole time.
Macron, Starmer, Merz, Tusk, and Zelensky appealed to Trump's vanity and his ignorance... and it looks like it worked.
They managed to get his verbal approval for the ultimatum during the call. And before anyone had the chance to explain the implications to Trump... they announced it. One by one, they gave speeches to the media where they made it absolutely clear that Trump was in on the deal. The USA was party to the ultimatum.
Putin then had to either accept an immediate ceasefire by Monday... or defy Trump.
As expected, before the deadline even came close, Putin rejected the offer outright. Because he does not want peace.
Trump has now effectively sanctioned the European plan for complete and unrestricted support of the Ukrainian military and agreed to cooperate on additional economic sanctions on Russia.
Just like that, the USA appears to be back on Ukraine's side, and it's all thanks to an unscheduled phone call.
I don't know whose plan it was, but it was brilliant.
Excellent information, absolutely brilliant, collected at great personal risk.
Just out of curiosity... What exactly were you doing under that table?