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The other Republicans kick you out. Liz Cheney is going to lose her job because she's been saying what everybody knows to be the truth about ex-President Fucktard: he's a lying sack of shit.

This quote from her op-ed yesterday is the bottom line on Trump's bullshit about election fraud:

"Trump is seeking to unravel critical elements of our constitutional structure that make democracy work — confidence in the result of elections and the rule of law. No other American president has ever done this."


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One would think this just has to turnaround. But it doesn't and just keeps going in the direction that gradually became evident some time ago. It's very clear now. It's also very clear that this is not as bad as it's goonna get.

And there are some/many who still think it's all about TDS and Trump's narcissism, such as Doc Butler.

What's the outcome of this? How much worse is it gonna get before better? Will it get better?


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Trump . . . he's like a bad case of diarhea that just won't go away . . . a stinky pain in the ass.


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It should be obvious that the problem is not just Trump. There would be no Trump diarrhea if there was no rotten gut to be infected.


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The Republican Party has been largely based on lies for years, they have now been completely consumed by them.

I honestly don't know where there's an off-ramp for them. Look at the crap they are chasing in Arizona, maybe 40,000 ballots were smuggled from China and they can find the bamboo in the paper, or maybe Trump set an elaborate trap and put watermarks on the ballots.

The lunatics run that asylum now.
 
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In 2012, Hillary Clinton called a group of malcontents and often stupid people the “deplorable”.

Subsequently, a number of political experts tried to calculate exactly how many Americans could be considered a “deplorable”. The consensus pegged the range between 25 and 30%.

Today, we have this concerning situation where half the senators, ie, the Republican, are only elected by 20% of the people. In addition, polling shows that 70% of Republicans believe the “Big Lie”. If 40% of Americans are Republicans, who do you think the 28% of Americans that believe the “Big Lie” are? Of course, they are the the fascists, malcontents and out-right creeps that Clinton was labeling. And because of the disparity created by the two senator per state they have a out-size impact.

America, to survive, has to figure a way out of this conundrum and how to deal with these cocksuckers.
 
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We already let Trump kill a couple hundred thousand Americans because admitting the truth about Covid would make him "look bad", we have done essentially nothing (so far) about a blatant, public attempt to overthrow the government assisted to an unknown extent (at least to the public) by elected and appointed Republican officials, justified by the Big Lie promulgated by Trump.

Just how much more are the American People going to tolerate from these ignorant liars?
 
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The two senator per state situation allows these nuts to have a disproportionate effect. The majority of Americans, about 65 to 70% don’t buy into the “big lie”.

I posed a question about the so-called Arizona recount/audit and look at the response of many of these nuts here in the crater. Some thought that it was a first step in Trump regaining the presidency, but none seemed to have the “critical thinking skills” to question who and how this recount was being conducted. Bizzaro.

Ultimately, I believe that the biggest problem America has is not China or Russia or even Covid, but that about a third of America in this time of Fox and social media lack the thinking skills to maneuver threw the labyrinth of false information out there.
 
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From my side of the street, these are all very good and correct comments that go to the core of the situation. I find complete agreement with every comment.
 
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Brian, the leaders of the deplorables know the truth, but they have these positions of power because they are without any scintilla of moral fiber and willing to manipulate these idiots.

By definitions, half the people have IQs below 100. An average IQ doesn’t confer the talent to weave through the massive amounts of information coming at people. In days past, people were engaged in labor, not spending hours on the computer or watching Fox.
 
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Schrodinger, I like your summary and I sure enjoyed this thread so far.
Important subject discussed by informed, intelligent and thoughtful people. This is the PF at it's best. Thanks!
 
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The republican party would be fine if they would shed themselves of their cult-like obsession with ex-President Fucktard and return to their traditional policies. Trump is toxic to everything he touches.

The republicans, unlike the Democrats, have an impressive line-up of young up-and-comers to replace Trump. Unfortunately, they are embracing the short-term strategy rather than playing the long game and what is particularly interesting about that is they are doubling down on Trump less than a year after he got his ass waxed by a geriatric career retread.

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The Republican Party has been largely based on lies for years, they have now been completely consumed by them.

I honestly don't know where there's an off-ramp for them. Look at the crap they are chasing in Arizona, maybe 40,000 ballots were smuggled from China and they can find the bamboo in the paper, or maybe Trump set an elaborate trap and put watermarks on the ballots.

The lunatics run that asylum now.


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I would like to say something but there is nothing that I could contribute without just being redundant. (I know, that has never stopped me before.)

I believe the republican party will sort through this mess and you will have two vibrant parties again if the democrats don't fall on their swords in the process.
This impacts the whole world and we are cheering for you all. Many countries including Canada are going through this or something similar in varying degrees of intensity.(Autocracy vs democracy, country vs party, tribalism, etc.)
I sense that the fever is breaking in the USA.
Cheers, Brian
 
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She is trying to be relevant by throwing a TDS tantrum.

Why is she not freaking out about the current retard in chief? Oh yeah, she is a dim, that right.


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Oops, There goes the neighbourhood.
 
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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
The republican party would be fine if they would shed themselves of their cult-like obsession with ex-President Fucktard and return to their traditional policies. Trump is toxic to everything he touches.

The republicans, unlike the Democrats, have an impressive line-up of young up-and-comers to replace Trump. Unfortunately, they are embracing the short-term strategy rather than playing the long game and what is particularly interesting about that is they are doubling down on Trump less than a year after he got his ass waxed by a geriatric career retread.

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The Republican Party has been largely based on lies for years, they have now been completely consumed by them.

I honestly don't know where there's an off-ramp for them. Look at the crap they are chasing in Arizona, maybe 40,000 ballots were smuggled from China and they can find the bamboo in the paper, or maybe Trump set an elaborate trap and put watermarks on the ballots.

The lunatics run that asylum now.


They had, and pissed away, their chance immediately after January 6. If Republicans had stood up to Trump then his cult would have shriveled, but instead their waffling and obesience has emboldened them to the point that, while still a minor minority of the Country they control most of the Republican primaries. Oppose them in favor of the Country and the Constitution and you get primaried out.

McCarthy is apparently so deathly opposed to the establishment of an Independent Commission to investigate the insurrection because he will have to testify, under Oath, about that phone call with Trump on the 6th when Trump reportedly said “well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election then you are.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/...t=link&ICID=ref_fark

Now they have no clue how to get out of the corner Trump's painted them into.
 
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She is trying to be relevant by throwing a TDS tantrum.

Why is she not freaking out about the current retard in chief? Oh yeah, she is a dim, that right.


You're so stupid you don't even realize how insane calling Dick Fucking Cheney's daughter a Democrat is, aren't you?

Anybody who doesn't hang on Donald Trump's little mushroom-shaped dick is a "dim" to you.
 
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Poor old Rmiller is Exhibit 101. Unfortunately, we have to deal with this group. Crazy bastards think they are conservatives. They aren’t. Trump isn’t. Liz Cheney is a conservative.

All a deplorable really cares about is “owning” the liberals. Their bullshit about values like integrity and honesty and democracy were always worn as a cloak of self-righteousness. They never did possess those values. Other than sounding as good lip-service, fundamental morality and integrity has never been on this groups radar screen.

There has always been a segment of any population that are given to be manipulated by demagogues. What’s different now is that they have a voice.

The “deplorables” use science for everything from their computers to medicine, but seemingly unaware of their complete reliance on science in their everyday life, they will reject this same science if it runs contrary to what their demagogue is telling them, ie, climate change, vaccinations. It never seems to register with them that there is a conflict between accepting some science, but on the other hand rejecting other science; a science that one should defer to the experts on. The only determinate of which science they reject and that they accept is what their Great Leader tells them. This is part and parcel of Dunning-Kruger.
 
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Schroddy, You reference Dunning-Kruger. Why won't you also reference Cloward-Privin ? Explain that to us.
One conservative post by RMiller and you are all back in your name calling and Elitist mode.

A truthful liberal Socialist is a oxymoron !!
 
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You're an idiot. Every word she has spoken is absolutely true and correct and you're delusional and disconnected from reality if you can't see that. Get back to your search for the pizza parlor with that basement you whackjob.

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She is trying to be relevant by throwing a TDS tantrum.

Why is she not freaking out about the current retard in chief? Oh yeah, she is a dim, that right.


-Our long national nightmare is over.

 
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I don’t know what to say about Cheney.

Obviously there is bad blood between her and Trump.

Undoubtedly there are folks in the Trump camp who viewed the moderate Republicans abandoning Trump with disgust and fury.

While Trump was and remains an idiot, Biden sure isn’t any better... and in some ways, you can understand that members of a party expect you to support the party if you are also a member.

I think Cheney sees Trump pretty clearly as a very flawed leader who has set back true conservatism badly. Unfortunately, she has to justify allowing Biden to become president to many of the members of the party because she took a rather strong stand for him over Trump.

What is going on is a argument over party loyalty... just like in the Democrat party, except the mainstream media isn’t trumpeting everything between the squad and Pelosi’s supporters.

I have to admit, I got pretty upset with McCain when he would break ranks to the Democrats on some thing that the rest of the party supported when the margin is slim. Same thing with Romney.

But I know I would get in trouble the same way over some things if I was there as well. As I am not a direct constituent, no way would I get any sort of meaningful reply as to why they did it (I got a form letter from McCain when I wrote stating how he was glad I contacted his office - that was it...)

So, if you hold a leadership role in the party, shouldn’t you be expected to back the party?

She didn’t need to become involved at that level?

I suspect that is what is making her a target- that so many in the GOP are upset about folks not supporting the coalition that is the party in public.

Honestly, if she survives the next election, once the GOP has a new guy at the top of the ticket, unless she continues to go her own way, she will be fine.

It is kind of odd with the lefties trying to say a Cheney (whose father did what Trump is trying to do when he was in the Bush camp) is being treated unfairly.
 
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you can understand that members of a party expect you to support the party if you are also a me


Maybe “understand” it, but Nuremberg told us that it’s still unethical.

“So, if you hold a leadership role in the party, shouldn’t you be expected to back the party?”

Maybe if I use specific examples, the import of your utterance will resonate with you: “So, if you are Adolph Eichmann, a leader, shouldn’t he have been expected to back the Nazi party.”

You say:

“It is kind of odd with the lefties trying to say a Cheney (whose father did what Trump is trying to do when he was in the Bush camp) is being treated unfairly.”

Why is it so hard for you to understand that people find it fundamentally wrong to punish someone for telling the truth?
 
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Dr. Butler,
You hit the nail on the head. The (D)s are successful due to loyalty. Republicans struggle due to none.

If you are playing baseball and there is a clash with a couple of players...they don’t go root for the opposing team.

The Democrats are the enemy...stay focused and be active in Primaries. But, until a viable conservative 3rd part emerges...we must remain party loyalty.


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When you are more loyal to a political party than you are to the Constitution, fuck you.

Republicans backing Trump have proven, decisively, that they are.
 
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Trump is seeking to unravel critical elements of our constitutional structure that make democracy work — confidence in the result of elections and the rule of law. No other American president has ever done this."



Any of you loyal republicans want to address this quote? What's to stop every politician from making this kind of claim in the future when there is a close election? Or, as in the case with Trump, even when it's not close. It undermines the very fabric of our republic.

Fuck you and your party loyalty. You're putting Trump above the well-being of the country. Miserable republican fucks. And, you don't absolve yourself of responsibility by telling us that you recognize what a piece of shit Trump is, Doc. You're complicit.


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I actually am quite in sympathy with Ms. Cheney.

However, she knows the rules. The worst that will happen to her is she loses her GOP leadership post... which would be unfortunate as I think she represents a good part of the party.

I do think comparing Trump and the Nazis is way beyond being a stretch... closer to BS than just hyperbole.

That is part of why you on the left are getting the reaction you are. Gross exaggeration and factual lies past what Trump did... that you justify because he was a liar.

I am no longer a Trump supporter, but that doesn’t mean I support anyone that isn’t him.

My point re her father was he was in the position of using similar political threats to keep the party behind GWB, a man that many have said just as nasty of stuff about as Trump... until Trump got in office.

He did the same things that the Trump loyalists are doing.

It’s self evident that the GOP will have a debate on who will be its standard bearer in about 3 years. Once that is decided, you guys will have a new devil to tar and feather, and the party will have to try and rally behind them. Until then the Trump loyalists have outsized influence in the party. They probably will until there is a new GOP president elected.

As to punishing folks for telling the truth... I’m not so sure Liz Cheney’s issues are about truth as much as about she finds Trump unacceptable. There is a VERY large difference there. I detest DJT. I don’t think that my fellow Republicans who support him are detestable just because they support him.

You are the one trying to state that being anti trump is a truth. It isn’t a truth, it’s a personal decision.

Further, where did Trump actually order a genocide? Seems to me, while foolish, he actually kept us from killing more folks (admittedly who probably need killing, but still not our job to sort them out.)

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you can understand that members of a party expect you to support the party if you are also a me


Maybe “understand” it, but Nuremberg told us that it’s still unethical.

“So, if you hold a leadership role in the party, shouldn’t you be expected to back the party?”

Maybe if I use specific examples, the import of your utterance will resonate with you: “So, if you are Adolph Eichmann, a leader, shouldn’t he have been expected to back the Nazi party.”

You say:

“It is kind of odd with the lefties trying to say a Cheney (whose father did what Trump is trying to do when he was in the Bush camp) is being treated unfairly.”

Why is it so hard for you to understand that people find it fundamentally wrong to punish someone for telling the truth?
 
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I could say the same re Biden and the Democrats.

Why not go the extra mile and prove that Trump was full of it?

Frankly, that boat sailed when JFK won election and the open secret was his father brought the vote in Chicago.

Don’t give me this GOP = anti constitutional.

I agree I am complicit in getting Trump elected. I voted for the guy.

But watch what you are doing.

Is political disagreement treason?

If ensuring that the elections are worthy of confidence is part of democracy, why is it that whenever the Trump side says prove that is right, your response is no, prove it’s wrong?

The fact that you guys still insist that there is nothing there, yet don’t want it looked at says something.

Frankly, if the AZ thing loaded with Trump supporters comes up with something, maybe you will be forced to actually have an impartial investigation of this. I’m under no illusions that the current thing in AZ is impartial, but if they can find things, then maybe it’s get off the pot time and if they find nothing, then everyone is satisfied that Trump was wrong, including his supporters.

Your a lawyer. Is “no evidence of fraud sufficient to change the outcome” the same as “no evidence of fraud”?

As to the part about making a claim re. close elections, I seem to recall this multiple presidential elections and multiple lower office elections. It’s happening already.

Trumps a poor loser, but we all knew that a long time ago.

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Trump is seeking to unravel critical elements of our constitutional structure that make democracy work — confidence in the result of elections and the rule of law. No other American president has ever done this."



Any of you loyal republicans want to address this quote? What's to stop every politician from making this kind of claim in the future when there is a close election? Or, as in the case with Trump, even when it's not close. It undermines the very fabric of our republic.

Fuck you and your party loyalty. You're putting Trump above the well-being of the country. Miserable republican fucks. And, you don't absolve yourself of responsibility by telling us that you recognize what a piece of shit Trump is, Doc. You're complicit.
 
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When you are more loyal to a political party than you are to the Constitution, fuck you.

Republicans backing Trump have proven, decisively, that they are.


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When Trump’s Next Coup Happens, the Republican Party Will Fully Support It
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The republican party need to reform it self. That takes time to re-invent the wheel again. America is in the 2021 and living on the looonesome prairie cobatting rattlesnakes. Comanche, kiowa and coyotes isn't present issues anymore.


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I could say the same re Biden and the Democrats.

Why not go the extra mile and prove that Trump was full of it?

Frankly, that boat sailed when JFK won election and the open secret was his father brought the vote in Chicago.

Don’t give me this GOP = anti constitutional.

I agree I am complicit in getting Trump elected. I voted for the guy.

But watch what you are doing.

Is political disagreement treason?

If ensuring that the elections are worthy of confidence is part of democracy, why is it that whenever the Trump side says prove that is right, your response is no, prove it’s wrong?

The fact that you guys still insist that there is nothing there, yet don’t want it looked at says something.

Frankly, if the AZ thing loaded with Trump supporters comes up with something, maybe you will be forced to actually have an impartial investigation of this. I’m under no illusions that the current thing in AZ is impartial, but if they can find things, then maybe it’s get off the pot time and if they find nothing, then everyone is satisfied that Trump was wrong, including his supporters.

Your a lawyer. Is “no evidence of fraud sufficient to change the outcome” the same as “no evidence of fraud”?

As to the part about making a claim re. close elections, I seem to recall this multiple presidential elections and multiple lower office elections. It’s happening already.

Trumps a poor loser, but we all knew that a long time ago.

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Trump is seeking to unravel critical elements of our constitutional structure that make democracy work — confidence in the result of elections and the rule of law. No other American president has ever done this."



Any of you loyal republicans want to address this quote? What's to stop every politician from making this kind of claim in the future when there is a close election? Or, as in the case with Trump, even when it's not close. It undermines the very fabric of our republic.

Fuck you and your party loyalty. You're putting Trump above the well-being of the country. Miserable republican fucks. And, you don't absolve yourself of responsibility by telling us that you recognize what a piece of shit Trump is, Doc. You're complicit.


Aren't medical doctors scientists anymore? Are you unfamiliar with the maxim that the proponent of a proposition has the burden of proof? That''s where science and law meet, Doc.

You can't prove a negative: no one can prove there was no fraud in the election. It's the Trumps' burden to prove there WAS fraud--and sufficient fraud to have affected the election outcome.

And according to law, fraud must be shown by clear and convincing evidence, a higher standard of proof than in other civil matters.

You claim: "The fact that you guys still insist that there is nothing there, yet don’t want it looked at says something."

Do you think multi-million dollar investigations are warranted when all that supports alleged fraud is Donald Trump's sore-loser claims? If Trump had come forth with his evidence and disclose how he knows there was fraud, I might have a different response.
 
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I could say the same re Biden and the Democrats.

Why not go the extra mile and prove that Trump was full of it?

Frankly, that boat sailed when JFK won election and the open secret was his father brought the vote in Chicago.

Don’t give me this GOP = anti constitutional.

I agree I am complicit in getting Trump elected. I voted for the guy.

But watch what you are doing.

Is political disagreement treason?

If ensuring that the elections are worthy of confidence is part of democracy, why is it that whenever the Trump side says prove that is right, your response is no, prove it’s wrong?

The fact that you guys still insist that there is nothing there, yet don’t want it looked at says something.

Frankly, if the AZ thing loaded with Trump supporters comes up with something, maybe you will be forced to actually have an impartial investigation of this. I’m under no illusions that the current thing in AZ is impartial, but if they can find things, then maybe it’s get off the pot time and if they find nothing, then everyone is satisfied that Trump was wrong, including his supporters.

Your a lawyer. Is “no evidence of fraud sufficient to change the outcome” the same as “no evidence of fraud”?

As to the part about making a claim re. close elections, I seem to recall this multiple presidential elections and multiple lower office elections. It’s happening already.

Trumps a poor loser, but we all knew that a long time ago.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
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Trump is seeking to unravel critical elements of our constitutional structure that make democracy work — confidence in the result of elections and the rule of law. No other American president has ever done this."



Any of you loyal republicans want to address this quote? What's to stop every politician from making this kind of claim in the future when there is a close election? Or, as in the case with Trump, even when it's not close. It undermines the very fabric of our republic.

Fuck you and your party loyalty. You're putting Trump above the well-being of the country. Miserable republican fucks. And, you don't absolve yourself of responsibility by telling us that you recognize what a piece of shit Trump is, Doc. You're complicit.


Did you sleep through the Loon side filing 60+ lawsuits that were rejected by courts from traffic court to the conservative-dominated Supreme Court? Remember the ONLY relief granted being that observers could stand 6 feet away instead of 10? Had there been credible evidence of election fraud wouldn't it have been presented somewhere at least once?

Trump started with the Big Lie well in advance of a single vote being counted when he started claiming he could only lose if he was cheated out of the election despite every available metric showing him behind, part and parcel of the same denial of any reality that shows just how full of shit he has always been, from his financial acumen to the coronavirus to his compromise by Russian intelligence. It was of a piece with him calling into radio shows in the '80s as "John Barron" to sell complete lies about his wealth, his business genius and his sexual conquests.

The Republican Party, rather than accept the obvious reality of the changing demographics in this Country and adapting to that reality willingly followed a known carnival barker over the cliff, and they richly deserve the fall and splat that goes with it.
 
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You could say it but it wouldn't be true.



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I could say the same re Biden and the Democrats.

Why not go the extra mile and prove that Trump was full of it?

Frankly, that boat sailed when JFK won election and the open secret was his father brought the vote in Chicago.

Don’t give me this GOP = anti constitutional.

I agree I am complicit in getting Trump elected. I voted for the guy.

But watch what you are doing.

Is political disagreement treason?

If ensuring that the elections are worthy of confidence is part of democracy, why is it that whenever the Trump side says prove that is right, your response is no, prove it’s wrong?

The fact that you guys still insist that there is nothing there, yet don’t want it looked at says something.

Frankly, if the AZ thing loaded with Trump supporters comes up with something, maybe you will be forced to actually have an impartial investigation of this. I’m under no illusions that the current thing in AZ is impartial, but if they can find things, then maybe it’s get off the pot time and if they find nothing, then everyone is satisfied that Trump was wrong, including his supporters.

Your a lawyer. Is “no evidence of fraud sufficient to change the outcome” the same as “no evidence of fraud”?

As to the part about making a claim re. close elections, I seem to recall this multiple presidential elections and multiple lower office elections. It’s happening already.

Trumps a poor loser, but we all knew that a long time ago.

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Trump is seeking to unravel critical elements of our constitutional structure that make democracy work — confidence in the result of elections and the rule of law. No other American president has ever done this."



Any of you loyal republicans want to address this quote? What's to stop every politician from making this kind of claim in the future when there is a close election? Or, as in the case with Trump, even when it's not close. It undermines the very fabric of our republic.

Fuck you and your party loyalty. You're putting Trump above the well-being of the country. Miserable republican fucks. And, you don't absolve yourself of responsibility by telling us that you recognize what a piece of shit Trump is, Doc. You're complicit.


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She is trying to be relevant by throwing a TDS tantrum.

Why is she not freaking out about the current retard in chief? Oh yeah, she is a dim, that right.


You're so stupid you don't even realize how insane calling Dick Fucking Cheney's daughter a Democrat is, aren't you?

Anybody who doesn't hang on Donald Trump's little mushroom-shaped dick is a "dim" to you.


Anyone who goes on and with with maximum TDS is a dim to me. She has spent weeks now going on about Trump.

Why does she not have a single criticism of the criminal in chief Biden?

Besides these above two items, yeah, I am trolling.


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And I read somewhere that Trump is trying to appropriate the term "Big Lie", like he did fake news, etc.

I also read somewhere that Trump complained about others weaponizing the law.


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Today's most prominent Republicans almost seem like cartoon villains: They are obvious in their schemes, exaggerated in their evil, sociopathic and antisocial as a group, and mean for the pure joy of it. Yet they somehow are still able to imagine themselves as being noble, misunderstood victims. Donald Trump, the acknowledged master of cartoon villainy, has become a role model of such behavior for the entire Republican Party.


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Here’s a line you can expect to hear in almost every ad for a Democratic candidate for Senate between now and Nov. 8, 2022, courtesy of Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.: “One hundred percent of my focus is on stopping this new administration.”


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How Trump is hunting down the GOP’s leading families
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Liz Cheney’s months-long effort to turn Republicans from Trump threatens her reelection and ambitions. She says it’s only beginning.
Michael Scherer, Josh Dawsey, Dan Lamothe 1 hr ago

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Rep. Liz Cheney had been arguing for months that Republicans had to face the truth about former president Donald Trump — that he had lied about the 2020 election result and bore responsibility for the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol — when the Wyoming Republican sat down at a party retreat in April to listen to a polling briefing.

The refusal to accept reality, she realized, went much deeper.

When staff from the National Republican Congressional Committee rose to explain the party’s latest polling in core battleground districts, they left out a key finding about Trump’s weakness, declining to divulge the information even when directly questioned about Trump’s support by a member of Congress, according to two people familiar with what transpired.

Trump’s unfavorable ratings were 15 points higher than his favorable ones in the core districts, according to the full polling results, which were later obtained by The Washington Post. Nearly twice as many voters had a strongly unfavorable view of the former president as had a strongly favorable one.

Cheney was alarmed, she later told others, in part because Republican campaign officials had also left out bad Trump polling news at a March retreat for ranking committee chairs. Both instances, she concluded, demonstrated that party leadership was willing to hide information from their own members to avoid the truth about Trump and the possible damage he could do to Republican House members, even though the NRCC denied any such agenda.

Those behind-the-scenes episodes were part of a months-long dispute over Republican principles that has raged among House leaders and across the broader GOP landscape. That dispute is expected to culminate next week with a vote to remove Cheney from her position as the third-ranking House Republican.

At issue: Should the Republican Party continue to defend Trump’s actions and parrot his falsehoods, given his overwhelming support among GOP voters? Or does the party and its leaders need to directly confront the damage he has done?

“She just believes he’s disqualified himself by his conduct, more than it’s any kind of political analysis,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.). “If you look at a political analysis, there’s no way this party is going to stay together without President Trump and his supporters. There is no construct where the party can be successful without him.”

At the root of the collapse in relations, according to interviews with more than a dozen people involved, most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations, was a fundamental misunderstanding of Cheney’s position. Her determination to name, shame and banish Trump — and her refusal to follow McCarthy’s pleas to move on and display unity — had become fundamental to her political purpose, not just a position she could compartmentalize.

She has been willing to sacrifice her House leadership ambitions and put at risk her reelection hopes, allies say, to try to push the party away from the former president. After McCarthy visited with Trump in January in an effort to broker a truce that he hoped could pave the way for a Republican takeover of the House — and, potentially, McCarthy’s speakership — she called McCarthy out for backing away from earlier saying the former president “bears responsibility” for the riot.

Even if she is cast out of power in the House, she has made clear that she will not stop, promising to take her argument against Trump to the campaign trail in Wyoming, where he garnered 70 percent of the vote in 2020. She has told others that blocking Trump from leading the party is a fight she sees as just beginning, no matter how Wednesday’s vote goes.

“The Republican Party is at a turning point,” Cheney wrote Wednesday in a Washington Post op-ed, “and Republicans must decide whether we are going to choose truth and fidelity to the Constitution.”

That is a remarkable statement from a Republican conference chairwoman, whose job description requires her to develop, coordinate and elevate the party’s communications strategy against Democrats, which she has continued to do at times with far less fanfare. Cheney and McCarthy declined to speak for this story.

Even before the Jan. 6 riot, she had been working to stem the threat she saw in Trump.

“She called me and said, ‘You know, I’m really worried about this. What should we do?’ ” said former U.S. Ambassador Eric Edelman, who worked with her to write the essay by the former defense secretaries. “Liz was a prime mover of the whole thing, really.”

Working closely with her father, former vice president Richard B. Cheney, the congresswoman volunteered to recruit Jim Mattis, the former Marine general who had served as Trump’s first defense secretary; Leon Panetta, who served as defense secretary in the Obama administration; and Donald H. Rumsfeld, who was defense secretary while her father was vice president, Edelman said.

The opinion piece also warned the military that any involvement in election disputes was dangerous. Richard B. Cheney’s role in organizing the defense secretaries soon became public, but the congresswoman’s role was kept quiet at the time.

The backlash to Liz Cheney’s focus on Trump has been fierce.

Opponents said the relentlessness of Cheney’s criticism after her vote for Trump’s impeachment has aggravated her ideological colleagues.

In a Feb. 7 appearance on Fox News Sunday, she leaned into her complaints about Trump’s election denial and role in the riot, even suggesting that he should be investigated by prosecutors for the possibility that he intended to incite an attack against Vice President Pence.

“This is not something that we can simply look past, or pretend didn’t happen, or try to move on [from],” she told host Chris Wallace. “We’ve got to make sure this never happens again.”

Repeatedly, over the following weeks, Cheney highlighted the divisions McCarthy was trying to dampen. At a Feb. 24 news conference by Republican leaders at the Capitol, a reporter asked McCarthy whether Trump should be invited to the upcoming Conservative Political Action Conference.

“Yes, he should,” McCarthy replied immediately.

When Cheney followed by saying Trump should have no role in leading the party or the country, the number two in the House, Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.), who was standing next to them, shook his head. McCarthy struggled to maintain a stone face.

“On that high note, thank you all very much,” McCarthy finally ad-libbed, ending the event.

He confronted her privately afterward during a meeting in his office. People whom the two leaders have spoken to about that conversation do not agree on what was said behind closed doors.

In early February, the last time Republicans gathered to determine her fate, she was the one to demand a formal vote on whether she stayed in her leadership position. She is expected to make the same demand on Wednesday, forcing her Republican colleagues to once again confront the former president’s role in a violent attack on the U.S. Capitol — at least privately.

“The choice is so clear,” said one Cheney ally. “Is it okay to be in leadership and tell the truth? That is what members are going to have to weigh in on.”


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Frankly, I don't understand why embracing Trump's Big Lie, and all the rest, doesn't imperil the political future of all that do so. Maybe, hopefully, it does, and we're just not there yet.


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