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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Roofies were sixty’s slang for barbiturates. And yes, combining them with alcohol does cause significant impairment. I do think you are reading things into the lyrics that were neither intended to be there or a common thought at the time. Heck, I’ve heard women make all kinds of statements that make no sense trying to sort out to themselves what they want to do. No alcohol or drugs involved at all. Now, I agree that intoxicating someone to coerce them to agree to something is wrong. OTOH, is having sex after a few drinks wrong? In many cases, the lady has already decided before the first drink. Consent was made at stage 1. Folks get intoxicated because they want to. Can getting intoxicated and then changing your mind happen? Personally, I’d think hanging out with a person alone that you don’t know well enough to determine if they would spike your drink in the first place is a problem, and going out and getting intoxicated with strangers is incredibly dumb… but your freedom. It’s a song. It needs to have some sort of story to it to hold it together. When it was written, this kind of “mating dance” if you will was the social norm. The song makes it a common situation that everyone could relate to… a good date and neither one wanting it to end, but thinking it is time, and debating whether one should leave. In the sense of a duet, they both are agreeing it’s cold out, and that’s an excuse to stay as they want. The cancelling of a song over a minority not liking it is the discussion point here. I don’t see fathers demanding that WAP be removed from circulation, but rather stating it’s inappropriate for some people (young kids) to hear, and should not be played where they are likely to hear it. To me, the woke cancellation of Baby but insistence on WAP being allowed to be on the public airways clearly demonstrates the hypocrisy of the woke leftist movement. It’s pretty obvious that the majority of the folks on this thread don’t see the rape/drugging of the woman in Baby that a minority are complaining about. Conversely, I don’t see even the leftists stating this is something that a four year old should be listening to, but rather that it shouldn’t be censored. Pretty much hypocrisy. | |||
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It woud have been a pretty short song if it consisted of = Do you want to stay the night? Yes! | |||
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I just watched an older version video. Yeap, positions himself between her and the door. Pulls her by the arm when she puts on her coat and hat to leave. Same is true the other way. Do you want to stay? I should go. Okay. | |||
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First you said that "wants to leave" and I asked you to show me the line where she says that she "wants to leave". Now you are saying that she was "asking to leave". Can you find a line where she asks to leave? The simple truth is that she NEVER asks to leave, and she NEVER says that she wants to leave. If this is incorrect, please show me where I am wrong. *BTW, we are talking about the song, not the video(which would be the film-makers interpretation). Saying "I really can't stay" is not ASKING to leave. She is also not saying that she wants to leave. Saying "I ought to say, "No, no, no, sir.'" is not saying "no". Quite the opposite, she is saying "I 'ought to' say no, but I'm not saying no". As a lawyer, I would think that this would be obvious to you.... Here are the lyrics. Maybe you can show me where: -She says that she wants to leave -She asks to leave -He holds her against her will(this is what you are implying)
I'll ask again: do you think that someone would write a song about holding a woman against her will and drugging her? Do you truly believe that was his intent? Does that seem reasonable? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Give it a rest. You have rape fixation. Loosen the bun and chill out. Or go listen to WAP and sing along….  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Conversely, had LHeym written the song, it would have been three lines.
Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Either way doesn't matter. My point is that it would not be a hit. The song is a song because of the back and forward. Its just a couple of short sentences otherwise. | |||
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That was the point of my attempt at humor... The song would be nothing without the back and forth. *After further consideration: Maybe that is how we ended up with songs like WAP.... If you aren't allowed to describe the process of a man charming a woman(isn't that always the case?) then what do you have left to sing about, other than the act itself? Yep, you'd better bring a mop and a bucket... Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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The way things are going we probably wont be able to limit our songs to such primitive, exclusionary pronouns. Let alone being so diminishing as to call a women a baby.... | |||
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Anyone who wants to center go listen to Baby it is Cold Outside on YouTube and who knows where else. If you want it, it is widely available for free. | |||
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The question was:
Why should Americans be happy with this? Your youtube recommendation leads me to believe that you have no answer to this question(hence your redirection). Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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1) The song is not banned. You can hear it anytime you want. You can buy, you can hear it any day for free on demand. You can go to ITunes and get it. 2) I answered why it is a good thing culture has rejected, “ progressed” past this song. You simply do not like the answer. You cannot ignore in the original music video, at least from the late 50s, the man is blocker her from the door, taking her coat off as soon as she puts it on, and takes her arm as she goes to the door. This is not acceptable dating behavior. It should never be, and it is not now. She wants to go home. He will not let her. He gives a spiked drink she was not wanting or expecting, “ What’s in this drink.” She is not saying that because it taste good. Dr. Easter; Spiking women’s drugs goes back to 1900s-2903 according to below. Ever hear the 1950s phrase “slip her a Mickey.” https://www.independent.co.uk/...nd-b1952198.html?amp | |||
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I notice that you avoided my questions and focused on things that have nothing to do with the original song. Why is that? You seem to have a hard time understanding that consent has changed over the past 80 years, and women no longer have to go to great lengths to "protect their reputation". Maybe if you ask yourself this question, it would help you to understand my perspective:
I've never met your great grandmother, but I bet I know the answer to that question. You seem like the type who will struggle to answer that for yourself... Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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The original “Mickey” was supposedly chloral hydrate. As the story goes a bartender by the name Mickey Finn robbed people by putting chloral hydrate in their drinks at his bar. The star witness in this case was a prostitute by the name of Gold Tooth Mary. Chloral hydrate was still used a sedative used for standing surgery in horses when I was a fledgling. I calculated a minimum dose for a 50Kg person to sedate them mildly. It came to 70cc which is an over full shotglass of chloral hydrate. We used to have to mix this stuff from a granulated salt into a 12% solution using pretty warm water to get it into solution. I once was mixing a batch a picked up the wrong spoon to eat some yogurt. Even the residue on that spoon tasted horrible. If you read about it you will see it is noted to have a bad salty taste. Thus, it is conceivable that Mickey Finn was able to hide the stuff to a drunk in something like a martini and get his job done. I highly doubt that a lady would like sipping on it and with sipping not sure it would even work as that is why it was popular in “standing” surgery in horses — easy to keep them standing but quiet while doing surgery ‘with a local block.’ Besides chloral hydrate in the 40’s…pentobarbital was the only other drug possibility (first synthesized in 1930) I am aware of that could have been usedand it wasn’t really available until the 1950s. I am doubting any doping connotations in the writing of Baby…and even in the video. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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People used to ask, "What's in this drink?" when it was unexpectedly strong. Unless you impose a modern interpretation, that's all the song refers to. | |||
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100%^^^ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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