Guys,
I know Covid is a hot topic.
There is a lot of information around. Lots of it is wrong and lots of it confusing.
While I think you should not underestimate the virus, I also do believe that panic doesn't help anyone.

Many are worried about it, many think the world was never hit by things like this.
So just a few numbers and statistics for you to put things in perspective.


The top five reasons people died in 2016:
Ischaemic heart disease = 9,400,000 deaths
Stroke = 5,750,000 deaths
Chronic obstruktive pulmonary disease = 3,050,000 deaths
Lower respiratory infections = 2,950,000 deaths
Alzheimer and Dementia = 1,950,000 deaths

The top infectious diseases:
Tuberculosis 2018 = 1,500,000 deaths = 4,109 deaths/day
Hepatitis 2015 = 1,340,000 deaths = 3,671 deaths/day
Flu annual = 291,243 – 645,832 deaths = 797 – 1,769 deaths/day
Malaria 2018 = 405,000 deaths = 1,109 deaths/day
Measels 2018 = 140,000 deaths = 383 deaths/day

Epidemics in recent times:
SARS 11.2003-7.2003 = 8,437 infected = 813 deaths
Swine Flue 01.2009-08.2010 = 700Mio - 1.4Billion infected = 151,700 - 575,400 deaths
Ebola 2014-2015 = 28,603 infected = 11,301 deaths
Ebola 2018-today = 3,414 infected = 2,237 deaths
Covid-19 11.2019-today = 465,000 infected = 21,000 deaths


Good to know also:
Snake bites annualy = 81,000-138,000 deaths = 221-378 deaths/day


And then last but not least:

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/...ge-sex-demographics/


I do have sources for all number. It's mostly WHO. Please ask me if you want the source.



And let me end my post with a clear statement, that I do not want to play it down.
Just want to add some perspective :-)


Best Regards,

Dennis

Guys NYC is using 53 foot refrigerated trailer as a make shift morgue.

My biological mother is a respiratory therapist in a rural hospital. She told me they are having to reuse their used/dirty mask and gowns. I am scared for her life. She was going into her shift this morning.

Her spouse has been diagnosed with lung cancer and is undergoing chemo.

There are no beds in ATL or Detroit ICU.

The more lex we are about this the more prople will die. We have not seen the worse of this. Look at John Hopkins’ Website. These are the outer bands of the hurricane.

We have 200 cases in KY, and the FLorida governor like the mayor in jaws will not even close the beaches.

The Governor of Louisiana has warned his state does not have enough ventilators. New York cannot buy ventilators.

20 odd year olds in Kentucky are throwing parties where they expose one another to Covid19.

In the city where my biological mother is having to use dirty mask a mayor backs a second hand thrift store’s grand opening in defiance of our Governor’s orders.

The Lt. Governor of Texas is suggesting old folks should die for the benefit of the economy. I have spent my entire life telling folks Republicans do not want Grandma to die, and this jackass says that.

Every state isolates a household, it is civil home arrest, if anyone in that household test positive for Tuberculosis.

Oh, and every rural health department and hospital in this nation can test for Tuberculosis. We do not have test and can’t get them on the ground for Covid 19.

Caracal

It's like lightning strikes and plane crashes. Statistics. CV-19 has folks realizing it MIGHT happen to them right now, today. Choking in some oxygen tent and dying alone is a vivid prospect. Those with an eternal hope look at it somewhat differently, and there's the recovery aspect too. I'm with you, bru.

There's more going on here than we know about. It's financial and may be driven by people who want an advantage. Haven't folks been squalling about over-population and such? (They just don't want to be included in the reduction, even if it means more room for wildlife. It's getting very real.)

BNagel:

We had months to get testing, protective gear, testing zones so those infected would not expose general hospital, clinic patients in place. These are tactics that professionals with MD after there name said the Administration was presented with when this was still in China. We did nothing in the from a federal, strategic policy.

Well old folks die and are expensive on the economy is not a strategy. When our front line health care professionals fall ill in mass, who is there to treat.

Florida is going to be the next New York.

I do not support abortion as a form of population control/contraception. I do not support New York City looking like a third world country because the President and folks like him have not and do not taken this seriously.

This is a national crisis, and the Feds have failed.

Anybody remember President Trump claiming cases were going down, Corona was going to disappear, we only had five cases and everyone was getting better.

Why does he and the Governor of New York not turn hotels into field/isolation hospitals. President Trump owns more than 1 hotel in New York.

Everyone agrees the Wartime Production Act would alleviate the lack of personal protection equality for medical professionals and ventilators. Yet, our Administration is not doing that.

East Asian is stopping the growth of cases. We are following behind Asia.

Texas cases number in the 1000 cases.

No one wants a year shutdown, but if we do not stop this now, and get testing in place nationwide to isolate cases so we can get back to work.

This disease doubles every few days once it makes contact with a new community. That is according to Dr. Sachs at Columbia.

wow both sides so you know the truth is some place in the middle. The world is not coming to and end and people need to stop acting like these kind of stuff never happened before. Your just having it thrown at you no stop. one side making it worse then it is and the other side hoping it is not as bad.

The world is getting soft and just like to point fingers at what ever side they do not like.

To me I find it sad and funny new York wants to do as they wish when it goes there way and never need the president but now he is not helping them enough. Same as Ca. we need you now but before he was just terrible. Sad days ahead but there is no one person who makes this all right it will take the whole country to realize how stupid we have become over the last 10 years.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Guys NYC is using 53 foot refrigerated trailer as a make shift morgue.

My biological mother is a respiratory therapist in a rural hospital. She told me they are having to reuse their used/dirty mask and gowns. I am scared for her life. She was going into her shift this morning.

Her spouse has been diagnosed with lung cancer and is undergoing chemo.

There are no beds in ATL or Detroit ICU.

The more lex we are about this the more prople will die. We have not seen the worse of this. Look at John Hopkins’ Website. These are the outer bands of the hurricane.

We have 200 cases in KY, and the FLorida governor like the mayor in jaws will not even close the beaches.

The Governor of Louisiana has warned his state does not have enough ventilators. New York cannot buy ventilators.

20 odd year olds in Kentucky are throwing parties where they expose one another to Covid19.

In the city where my biological mother is having to use dirty mask a mayor backs a second hand thrift store’s grand opening in defiance of our Governor’s orders.

The Lt. Governor of Texas is suggesting old folks should die for the benefit of the economy. I have spent my entire life telling folks Republicans do not want Grandma to die, and this jackass says that.

Every state isolates a household, it is civil home arrest, if anyone in that household test positive for Tuberculosis.

Oh, and every rural health department and hospital in this nation can test for Tuberculosis. We do not have test and can’t get them on the ground for Covid 19.

The FL has indeed closed many beaches.

For those of you with subscriptions to the WSJ, there was an op-Ed yesterday I believe written by two doctors who teach at Stanford. Their conclusion? The empirical data does not support the mass hysteria or the actions of many governments.

It’s all gonna be alright
I agree with one statement...we are getting soft, everyone wants to live forever, we freak out about everything, “ people are hungry in US”...really?
Fuck me gents
Life is good, government sucks 90% of the time

People stopping being nice...that’s just the beginning, before we know it, we are gonna try to eat each other for different opinion as this looks like it might be worse then difference in opinion in election year and that’s fucking scarier then shit so advice to everyone I meet ...be fucking nice for Pete’s sake,...

Fear has no control over me or my family. We're all content that our time on earth will come to an end some day and we have no control over it. The day I meet my Maker will be the best day imaginable.

There. That should solve it.

Panic has never ever in the history helped a society.

What I see is that many countries accept massive cuts in their privacy and massive cuts into their freedom. And surprisingly many people applaud. One politician is trying to show of more "strongman" abilities then the other....while people duck away in fear.

Keep in mind at the moment we let government run the show, and you can decide for yourself if they are qualified to do it or not.

So not down playing Corona. I have no background in virology, like all of you.

My point is just, fear is not a good teacher.

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Originally posted by BNagel:
Caracal

It's like lightning strikes and plane crashes. Statistics. CV-19 has folks realizing it MIGHT happen to them right now, today. Choking in some oxygen tent and dying alone is a vivid prospect. Those with an eternal hope look at it somewhat differently, and there's the recovery aspect too. I'm with you, bru.

There's more going on here than we know about. It's financial and may be driven by people who want an advantage. Haven't folks been squalling about over-population and such? (They just don't want to be included in the reduction, even if it means more room for wildlife. It's getting very real.)

Statistics mean nothing for the person who is on the wrong side of it. That is true.
BUT statistics are a valuable tool to make (more or less) rational decisions.
These are just number, do with them what you think is good.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
For those of you with subscriptions to the WSJ, there was an op-Ed yesterday I believe written by two doctors who teach at Stanford. Their conclusion? The empirical data does not support the mass hysteria or the actions of many governments.

It doesn't. While I personally think we should do what we can to stop the virus, I also think we should put ALL numbers into the equation.
A look down WILL have massive effects on many countries and then what?

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Guys NYC is using 53 foot refrigerated trailer as a make shift morgue.

My biological mother is a respiratory therapist in a rural hospital. She told me they are having to reuse their used/dirty mask and gowns. I am scared for her life. She was going into her shift this morning.

Her spouse has been diagnosed with lung cancer and is undergoing chemo.

There are no beds in ATL or Detroit ICU.

The more lex we are about this the more prople will die. We have not seen the worse of this. Look at John Hopkins’ Website. These are the outer bands of the hurricane.

We have 200 cases in KY, and the FLorida governor like the mayor in jaws will not even close the beaches.

The Governor of Louisiana has warned his state does not have enough ventilators. New York cannot buy ventilators.

20 odd year olds in Kentucky are throwing parties where they expose one another to Covid19.

In the city where my biological mother is having to use dirty mask a mayor backs a second hand thrift store’s grand opening in defiance of our Governor’s orders.

The Lt. Governor of Texas is suggesting old folks should die for the benefit of the economy. I have spent my entire life telling folks Republicans do not want Grandma to die, and this jackass says that.

Every state isolates a household, it is civil home arrest, if anyone in that household test positive for Tuberculosis.

Oh, and every rural health department and hospital in this nation can test for Tuberculosis. We do not have test and can’t get them on the ground for Covid 19.

The FL has indeed closed many beaches.

Florida County and City Governments closed those beaches. The Governor of Florida flat out refused. You can see his speeches on YouTube.

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• Odd Lots: How the crisis nearly blew up one of the world’s safest trades.
• World trade rocked by virus sees worst collapse in a generation.
• The gold market is being tested like never before.
• Huge quarter-end asset shift is little threat to the dollar’s reign.
• Risky mortgages face reckoning in market spooked by crisis.
• Why stock buybacks may be slowed or shut by the virus.
• Distant “quasar tsunamis” are ripping their own galaxies apart.

Yep the media is certainly doing their part to quell fear and keep everything rational. This is from Bloomberg's daily email.

Seriously folks, disconnect from this clickbait bullshit. As Churchill famously said " A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."

This is not the end of the world, take a deep breath, turn off the television, quit reading the sensational headlines on the internet. Find a good book...

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bwanamrm

bwanamrm

Agreed.

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Originally posted by bwanamrm:

quote:

• Odd Lots: How the crisis nearly blew up one of the world’s safest trades.
• World trade rocked by virus sees worst collapse in a generation.
• The gold market is being tested like never before.
• Huge quarter-end asset shift is little threat to the dollar’s reign.
• Risky mortgages face reckoning in market spooked by crisis.
• Why stock buybacks may be slowed or shut by the virus.
• Distant “quasar tsunamis” are ripping their own galaxies apart.

Yep the media is certainly doing their part to quell fear and keep everything rational. This is from Bloomberg's daily email.

Seriously folks, disconnect from this clickbait bullshit. As Churchill famously said " A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."

This is not the end of the world, take a deep breath, turn off the television, quit reading the sensational headlines on the internet. Find a good book...

Russell, I sure wish we lived closer to each other. You and I would get along famously.

No matter what any of us thinks regarding this virus, it has brought the world to its knees.

Whether it is as bad as any flu or not, the results so far have been devastating!

Does any of you remember the world being on such a lockdown?

I am almost 70 years old, and have never seen anything like it.

I hope we all get through it well.

Millions are being affected, mainly economically!

Economically it has been devastating to the world economy, but economies are resilient. They bounce back. Personally, 2008 bothered me much more than the current scare. When the underpinnings of the financial markets began to crack, MMAs broke the buck, banks like Wachovia and WAMU failed, Lehman disappeared in bankruptcy, we teetered on a knife's edge then.

This is a pandemic of a respiratory virus that has a fairly low mortality rate but is scary in that it's carriers don't know they are spreading it for up to two weeks. Google Farr's Law. This will pass...

My point is that the media sees this as a way to drive readers to their website with sensational stories. More clicks, better statistics, more ad revenue. They are not pure of heart and report for the good of society... but to make money.

Giving this Virus the serious it deserves, what many here, and this Administration has not done, is not panic. It is not ski is falling. It is responsible behavior.

I believe in overwhelming force. Comparing this to Churchill, I say some of you are Chamberlain.

New York is buying Personal Protection Equipment from China.

It is not click bait. It is fact.

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Giving this Virus the serious it deserves, what many here, and this Administration has not done, is not panic. It is not ski is falling. It is responsible behavior.

I believe in overwhelming force. Comparing this to Churchill, I say some of you are Chamberlain.

New York is buying Personal Protection Equipment from China.

It is not click bait. It is fact.

Dude, seriously, I know you are fairly young and this may be the first time you have experienced a Bear Market and possible recession like this... but find a paper bag and breathe deeply into it. Hysteria does no one any good... the Bubonic Plague this is not.

AND THIS HAS WHAT TO DO WITH THE AFRICAN BIG GAME HUNTING FORUM?!?! Saeed and/or other Moderator: Please move this to the Political, Miscellaneous or Walter Forum. With all due respect, I am as interested as anyone in the COVID discussion-just not on this forum please. There are other COVID discussions/information on the Miscellaneous Forum.

In the UK we have approx 65 million people. Top UK health officials have said at it's worst they'd estimate 250k people to die. Those will mostly be old, infirm, unhealthy people, however we had a 21 year old female die and a British diplomat in Hungary aged 37.

Am I worried- yes- i am young(ish) but have had heart surgeries, kidney problems, hypertension etc but i am just using common sense and staying at home and not mixing with anyone.

Will it be over in 2 weeks- no, give or take a few months probably with lasting effects.

I know many people will be hit hard and the knock on will filter down and effect everyones pockets but at the end of it hopefully we will all be alive and healthy.

Those who say the threat is exaggerated are being very foolish. Since the first covid-19 death in the US the number of dead has doubled approximately every 3 days. If that trend continues-- and epidemiologists have given no reason to believe it won't-- that means that by the end of April there will be well over 100,000 dead. The only way to slow that down and save lives is by taking the economically devastating measures we have.

Meanwhile:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/...ised-um-downward.php

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Those who say the threat is exaggerated are being very foolish.

I would argue those who exaggerate the threat are dangerous!

Again, google Farr's Law!

Well, I see no reason to complain about our governments response:



World Health Organization director praises Trump's leadership in response to coronavirus pandemic

https://www.foxnews.com/world/...coronavirus-pandemic

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Originally posted by LHeym500:


I do not support New York City looking like a third world country because the President and folks like him have not and do not taken this seriously.

This is a national crisis, and the Feds have failed.

Anybody remember President Trump claiming cases were going down, Corona was going to disappear, we only had five cases and everyone was getting better.

Why does he and the Governor of New York not turn hotels into field/isolation hospitals. President Trump owns more than 1 hotel in New York.

Everyone agrees the Wartime Production Act would alleviate the lack of personal protection equality for medical professionals and ventilators. Yet, our Administration is not doing that.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
No matter what any of us thinks regarding this virus, it has brought the world to its knees.

Whether it is as bad as any flu or not, the results so far have been devastating!

Does any of you remember the world being on such a lockdown?

I am almost 70 years old, and have never seen anything like it.

I hope we all get through it well.

Millions are being affected, mainly economically!

Agreed. LHeym500, I'm only saying folks are scared in a personal way. It's financial, and I doubt anything could have prevented what we are seeing.

I agree. We are all concerned with the financial fallout concerns. And then I heard today that Pelosi had to stick her ugly face + comments in. I am reminded of Churchill's statement, "It is a very serious thing for a political creed or a political party when they are compelled in spite of themselves to hail national misfortunes as a means of advancing their cause."

Interesting scientific Article about death of flu in the past years in Italy. It's worth noting that Italy always had the highest rate of flu deaths.

https://www.ijidonline.com/art...jnJWoSB7cluJ9ZnOV8xU