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Attn: .375 shooters -- Would you use Nosler's new 300-Grain BT on elk?
14 April 2002, 12:26
Russell E. TaylorAttn: .375 shooters -- Would you use Nosler's new 300-Grain BT on elk?
Why or why not?
Russ
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14 April 2002, 12:30
<T/Jazz>NO Russel, I would use my new 338 mag instead, with 250 grain Nosler bullets. I think it is a better round for elk OK.
I'm only aware of a new 260 gr. Ballistic Tip. If that's what you're refering to, then "YES."
BA
14 April 2002, 15:17
<Dan in Wa>Yes,
But I also have used a .300 Savage, .30 Herrett pistol, a .44mag. pistol. an arrow, etc.
elk are not super animals unless they are chased.
i sent my 375 out west with friend. loaded
with 260 grain partitions. he took 340pt bull
with it at 340yards ranged..one bullet through shoulder.complete pass through. he then let his hunting partner shoot about 300
point bull at about 150 yards . shot in lungs angled through front off shoulder again
pass through . both instant kills..use 80 grains w760 in f.n. browning . bullet you refer to is also a 260 grain good luck..
14 April 2002, 15:54
Russell E. TaylorRuss
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14 April 2002, 15:56
<allen day>Yes, I would use it on elk. Great cartridge, great bullet!
AD
14 April 2002, 16:12
Russell E. Taylorquote:
Originally posted by allen day:
Yes, I would use it on elk. Great cartridge, great bullet!
Okay... what about elk, mule deer, and black bear? I'll be working up loads for my .375 H&H Magnum in a month or so, and will include this bullet if the consensus is that it could handle ALL three... say, out to 200 yards, with less-than-perfect target presentations.
Russ
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"Out here, 'due process' is a bullet!" -- John Wayne, "The Green Berets"
14 April 2002, 16:31
stubblejumperI would not hesitate as the larger caliber ballistic tips are much tougher than most people think.My partner and myself each took an elk and moose last year with 180 and 200 gr ballistic tips in the 300 ultra and 338 win mag.
14 April 2002, 18:12
<X-Ring>YES
I have a buddy who has taken several elk and God knows how many deer with Nosler BT's in his 30-06. So I have to beleive they would be that much more effective in the 375. As noted above they are better constructed for the bigger stuff. At least I think they are.
FWIW X-Ring
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15 April 2002, 03:22
<allen day>Russell, yes, I would use the same load on mule deer and blackbear as well. In August 2000, I took a .375 H&H loaded with 300 gr. Trophy Bonded bullets to Zimbabwe as my only rifle. I had it zeroed at 200 yards, and I took all manner of stuff with it ranging from impala to eland, or roughly from the size of a Texas whitetail to a Canadian moose. The longest shot I made was on an elk-size kudu at roughly 300 yards. Just about everything I shot with that rifle went down on the spot. If it works over there, it'll work just as well over here.
Since I'd wager that the 300 gr. Partition likely has a slightly better ballistic profile than the 300 gr. Trophy Bonded, it should work even better at the longer ranges.
AD
Watch the 260 NBTs. The attached pic is of bullets recovered from a musk ox (also shown), probably one of the first game animals these bullets were used on by the public. These were found under the hide on the far side on broadside chest shots. The jackets and cores were 3 or 4" apart indicating that they shed their jackets at time of impact. The jackets turned backwards and parachuted through. Velocity was 1950 fps at the muzzle from my .375 JDJ Contender with 14" bbl.
With the greater velocity of the .375 H&H, these may do better since they would upset back into the thicker jacket material. I do not know. I would just be cautious until further reports of this bullet on game filter in. I will say theu are wonderfully accurate in my gun, but that wasn't needed for a 40 yard shot on a musk ox.
[This message has been edited by Rob (edited 04-17-2002).]
17 April 2002, 15:10
Russell E. TaylorWellllllllllll... I just ordered two boxes of the 260-grain BTs and one box of 300-grain Partitions.
To date, I now have 250- and 300-grain Sierra Game Kings, 260-grain Partitions, Barnes 300-grain solids (you just never know when a solid will come in handy... I've got tons of them for my .416 Remington Magnum) and 285-grain NON-Grand Slam Speers. With the above order, I'd say I'm BOUND to find SOMETHING that my rifle will just love. I'm going to take things easy and use IMR/AA/Hodgdon 4350. Three powders and all those bullets... something's bound to stand out.
Russ
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"Out here, 'due process' is a bullet!" -- John Wayne, "The Green Berets"
17 April 2002, 18:37
<awknod>Russ despite our differences regarding ethics, you will find the 4350 will work well with the lighter 260 gr.partitions and the heavier bullets like a full helping of a faster r-15 or w-760
the 260s in my rifle are best loaded with 81 gr.IMR4831 at around 2750 fps.
the 300 gr. liked the 78 gr/w-760/2600 fps
much better. the partitions seem to build pressure faster than the ballistic tips so you can probably get a little more out of the bts. I personally will not use the BTs for elk as I think they are by design a rapid expansion number and Elk hide is thick!
causing "pre-mature expansion" and I'm sure you know what thats like.on thinner skinned animals or coyotes great but for thick skinned animals as shown by the results of the musk ox not the best choice.
semper-fi
18 April 2002, 02:21
LE270quote:
Originally posted by Russell E. Taylor:
To date, I now have 250- and 300-grain Sierra Game Kings, 260-grain Partitions, Barnes 300-grain solids (you just never know when a solid will come in handy... I've got tons of them for my .416 Remington Magnum) and 285-grain NON-Grand Slam Speers. With the above order, I'd say I'm BOUND to find SOMETHING that my rifle will just love. I'm going to take things easy and use IMR/AA/Hodgdon 4350. Three powders and all those bullets... something's bound to stand out.
Another bullet to try is the 270 gr. Speer boattail -- it gives excellent accuracy in my rifle. And I highly recommend H4350 powder. It's slower-burning than IMR 4350, and you can use very heavy loads of it safely. Using Hodgdon's recommended max loads of it, I get velocities that are 100 to 150 f.p.s. greater than the usually published max velocities for the .375 H&H, using a Remington 700 with a 24 inch barrel.