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22 June 2003, 06:57
savage49494Gun Writers
Over the years I have read most of the popular gun related magazines. During that time I have had writers that I trust more or perhaps were more interesting to read. I will start off with my favourites.
Jon R. Sundra
John Wooters
Rick Jamison
Bryce Towsley
Bob Robb
Craig Boddington
Layne Simpson
Clair Rees
22 June 2003, 07:27
dan belisleDo they have to be alive and currently writing, Savage? If not, I would put Skeeter Skelton, Elmer Keith, Bob Miluk, and maybe Jack O'Conner on my list. Of the guys who are still with us, Jon Sundra, Layne Simpson, Craig Boddington, and probably Rick Jamison. - Dan
Savage:
I noticed you used the word, "trusted." Do you think outdoor writers today can be "trusted?"
kk
22 June 2003, 07:47
savage49494Dan, by all means. I would like to hear about any writers from any period.
kk, every writer in every magazine whether it's guns, cars or what have you are more believable than others. But I don't want to get into that on this topic. So, who are your favourites? And if anyone wants to get into why they are your favourites, feel free to do so.
22 June 2003, 08:27
markusI don't really trust any of them that much. Not in regaurds to rifles anyhow. If they don't say the newest thing from the factory is the greatest thing to ever come along well then the company won't be sending them a early prototype of the new guns coming out for them to write about. Funny now that the RUM and WSM have been out a little while they are no longer the greatest thing to ever come along. Just the same old thing in a new package with a new name.
Although Sundra does leave it for you to read between the lines to pick out what he doesn't like about new products.
I do like Jim Shockeys hunting articles though. Not much of a hunting mag reader though just the odd rifle mag.
22 June 2003, 08:33
carcano91Everybody has his or her own favourites. Some readers like the eloquent style, others the honesty and the personal approach, still others the depth of knowledge and erudition...
Here is my list of favourites, in purely alphabetical sequence:
Hans Aicher
G�nter Fr�res
Robert Field + (Pseudonym for Lerchenfeld)
Werner Reb
Wolfgang Seel
Albrecht Wacker
Heinrich Weidinger
And my list of dislikes:
Norbert Klups
Roland Zeitler
Regards,
Carcano
22 June 2003, 09:42
savage49494Carcano, that was excellent. I wasn't aware that there were similar magazines overseas. How shortsighted of me. Wow, this opens up a whole new wealth of information.
22 June 2003, 10:12
Paul BEarly on, Jon Sundra wrote an article calling the 30-06 a has been. I figured he did not know his ass from a hole in the ground, and that opinion sticks to this day.
Trusted gun writers? Damned few.
Elmer Keith? A considered maybe. Jack O'Connor? Another considered maybe.
Ken Waters? Absolutely.
Wayne Van Zwoll? Possibly.
Ron Spomer? Maybe.
Charlie Askins? Not sure.
Townsend Whelen? Yes.
Clair Reese? I've heard some stories about him.
Most are readable, but trustworthy? I don't know. I've met a few and some were outright snobs, and others were perfect gentlemen. I won'y name the snods, but one writer was about the nicest person I've ever met. Hal Swigget. Hope I spelled his name right. Met him at an NRA convention in Phoenix AZ, and we had about an hour long conversation while standing by the Colt display.
He was the epitome of a gentleman.
Paul B.
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onefunzr2Charles Askins didn't pull any punches. I don't know why, but I always liked his use of the word 'moribund.'
I certainly trusted Finn Aagaard.
22 June 2003, 12:02
GatehouseThese are the ones I like (and trust.)
Finn Aagard.
I doubt he would ever tell a lie, or be misleading.
Ross Seyfried.
His knjowledge seems to be encyclopedic...The articles about very old guns he has been writing as of late are interesting enough for me to read, although I have no desire to own any guns of this type.
John Barsnes.
Always interesting, tells it like it is, excellent knowledge of optics, and a experienced hunter.
Ken Waters:
Well, we all know about him!
Ken Howell:
Probably forgotten more than I will ever know about ballistics.
I like alot of the BC writers as well, like Jim Shockey, mostly because it is about where I live. Shockey is funny too...
Jack O'Conner is always a good read. So was Capstick.
I don't like Layne Simpson. He had a recent brown bear in Alaska story that was a bit odd...maybe even illegal???
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A bit egotistcal IMHO, but I've never met him
22 June 2003, 12:40
savage49494Gates, I don't know about that grizzly hunt but I've been told by a couple of other writers that he does some scary stuff with wildcats. I was left with the impression that he does not work up very safely. The occasion of that conversation was just after he developed the .358 STA.
22 June 2003, 12:49
<JOHAN>Gentlemen
My favorites are:
Jack O'Conner
Ross Seyfried
John Barness
Finn Aagard
Ken Howell
I hope Ross is sitting at home writing a book or two..Boddigton could be one heck of a writer, far to manny articles are not soo good, too much brown nose about certain new products, companies or persons...
The pile of shit writers can be very high, and who really cares who they are and were they are from. The publishers can stick the articles in their starfish
I read Hatari times and double gun journal. I much rather get books about hunting, rifles etc. than magazines. There are a lot of good books to be found
/ JOHAN
[ 06-22-2003, 21:36: Message edited by: JOHAN ]Gents,
Mike Venturino seems to be in the same groove as I am when talking leverguns and such.
Bob Milek was a favorite years back as well as Hal Swigget.
I am not enthralled with most of todays writers either however back in the 9mm VS 45ACp days it was certainly pathetic writing to rehash the same ole' wondernine again and again. Perhaps that has left a lasting distaste for glocks to this day.
I prefer steel and wood in my pistols thanks.
45nut
Finn Aagard and Boddington are my favorites.
I like Jim Carmichel alot, but he just writes one short column a month. I used to pore over his "Book of the Rifle".
I like Wayne Van Zwoll and John Barsness very much. Seyfried certainly knows alot but writes on alot of obscure stuff I'm not always interested in.
Liked Milek, read all my dad's O'Connor and Keith stuff, Warren Page and Larry Koller too.
Never been nuts about Sundra, Simpson or Jameson but they all write some interesting stuff from time to time.
You see a lot of posts on the subject criticizing the writers and the magazines. Our hobby/passion seems to generate very strong opinions, so there is a lot of hair-splitting, and all the debates about this and that are healthy for the sport. Sure, you see the same articles over and over a few years apart, but I keep reading 'em and usually learn something new.
Matt
22 June 2003, 15:05
George SemelMy favorite one Living, is Ross Seyfried. He writes about the old obscure stuff. I like the obscure stuff. Besides he is first rate at what he writes. On his say so, I bought a 300 WSM. I have not played with a .30 cal in a very long time. Since he is so good at what he dose, I bought one. In less than two years, its become a favorite. Dose everything he said and then some.
22 June 2003, 15:33
OldFartMy favorites are all dead (Milek, Page, O'Conner). I no longer subscribe to any Gun Rags because the writers write roses when they should be writing bullshit. There are posters on this Forum who I trust more then the stack of them combined.
I can't believe no one has mentioned Jeff Cooper. I do NOT trust or think to much of Mr. Jamison as when I was taking my gunsmithing course I tried several of the loads he was reccommending and found many of them wouldn't even fit into the case. I don't remember the actual incedents but I also noticed a few glaring discrepancys in his tecnical info as well. JMHO,for what little it's worth. derf
22 June 2003, 18:03
stubblejumperI have never liked boddington as he is too much of a mouthpiece for the manufacturers.
22 June 2003, 18:08
prof242As a very young marksmanship instructor for the Air Force in San Antonio, TX, I got to meet Col Charles Askins through a mutual friend. Cantankerous, caustic, and stubborn, but always honest. He taught me more in less time than anyone I've met since. I was honored to know, hunt with, and learn from Charlie Askins.
22 June 2003, 18:17
JLHeardI'd put in a word for Jeff Cooper too. While he thinks the Styer .376 is the greatest rifle ever, he is honest in his opinions of other products, rifles, etc.
22 June 2003, 18:47
savage49494Another one that I remembered was Gary Sitton. I used to enjoy his articles on wildcats and lever actions. I haven't seen anything from him lately, anyone know if he's still alive?
22 June 2003, 18:52
savage49494JLHeard, I like Jeff Cooper too. I met him at a SHOT show a few years back. He is a gentleman and very well spoken. I always found his written word a little flowery for my taste. Not a criticism but very much the way writers wrote many, many years ago.
Savage,
Good post.
Ken Waters, Wayne Van Zwoll, John Barsness, Gary Sitton,( glad he was brought up) God Bless Finn Aagard. Use to not like Ross Seyfried in his younger days, but he has gained a lot of wisdom in his older years.
John Sundra does a good job, and designed a great stock via Boyds, as I have about 6 of them on my rifles.
None mentioned Parker Ackley!
Mike Venturino!(WVA/Montana boy, a dam good combo)
I like an writer, that gives me his honest opinion, not what will make him popular with a manufacturer. Or is too full of his ego.
Those I call Gun "Righters", they always act like they are the gospel. However that story changes with the next issue, when they have to highlight something else.
Not to knock his accomplishments, but I use to like Craig Boddington, until it became Gen Craig Boddington, USMCR!! He is no longer one of the boys, he is one of the " 10,000 dollar guided hunt people" ( where even Hillary and Diane Feinstein could stalk a trophy animal)
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22 June 2003, 20:05
sscoyotePlease guys whatever you do don't stereotype. Kind of reminds me of the ranch/landowner that won't let anyone hunt his place because some other hunter screwed up. You know if the old addage "One bad apple ruins the barrel" were really true, there wouldn't be any good barrels around anywhere. There are some writers that do it because it's their passion also, same as anything else in life. And even the best of them/us screw up sometimes.
Oh yeah-- almost forgot. Bob Bell, Norman Johnson, Boyd Mace (Precision Shooting Mag.)-- wherever he's at these days, Gerry Blair, Shockey for sure, Judd Cooney, Jim Corbett, and probably my favorite writer is Jim Dougherty. One other guy that knows his varmint cal. tech. stuff like few others, but got blackballed all too early in his career is Blaine Eddy (Small Caliber News).
22 June 2003, 20:17
savage49494I am surprised that I was the only one to mention Bryce Towsley. I always found his stories interesting to read but got the impression that he was considered a maverick amongst publishers. He seems to be very independant in his opinions and not conforming to the "company". Actually I found that refreshing. Anyone else have stories about Bryce?
22 June 2003, 20:18
Gatehousei know Gary Sitton got sick and hasn't been heard of fro a long time.
I miss him too.
22 June 2003, 20:57
BoghossianSpeaking of gunwriters, which mags do you guys subscribe to/buy regularly. I read Outdoorlife/Perfect Hunter/Rifle Magazine/Petersen's Hunting/Magnum magazine.
I think Rifle has the best technical info, whilst OL has too many short columns and facts, not very in depth. Overall petersen's and perfect hunter are more of daydreams than actual learning experiences as you read everyone's account of "this is my trophy and this is how I shot it"...despite criticism I still read them the day they hit the coffee table!
Any suggestions for more (I want another african paper....)
23 June 2003, 09:01
sscoyoteI use only 4 these days-- Precision Shooting, The Accurate Rifle, Varmint Hunter, and Small Caiber News.
23 June 2003, 01:13
arkypeteNone of those mentioned really impressed me, as they were the second stringers when I was devouring magazines and books. I refer to them as Yuppy Puppies, they haven't lost that 'Gee Whiz Mommy aren't I great?' manner of writing. The current crop of writers, for me, are interchangable, they are homogenized. The TV news people are all pretty and have as much on screen difference as one penny in a roll of pennies has from another penny. The same applies to the gun writers. I suspect that the editorial/corporate policy has set this up so that if one writer gets too uppity he can be replaced without a wobble to the magazine.
Guns and Ammo's editorial policy was tolerated to read a few of the writers, Keith, Cooper, having senior moment. Otherwise after the first year of reading I noticed that it was a repeat.
Golly Gee the 22 mag is great for shooting field mice to next years
Field mouse hunting with new Krupp rimfire Shooting Times was educational and fun with Skeeter Skelton, Bill Jordan, after three or four years I bought the mag just for Skelton and the editors Dumb Crook of the month. Still buy it from time to time, maybe once every couple of months.
Gun World was good really good, sort of a diary of the main writers.
The best of the bunch was
Rifle and Handloader . But no more, these two fine mags are no different then the other mags at the news stand.
The
American Rifleman very seldom brought me much of anything other then polical news.
I bought bunches of books from different writers, How to repair, customise, restock, etc. firearms.
The best and most prolific writer was Maj. George Nonte. In the short time he lived, he must have been an insomniac, because the volume of books, articles, he could not have wasted much time sleeping. I would bet there's a book or article by Nonte that tells how to make sizing dies out of a stack of washers and what potions in the medicine cabinet make good sizing lube.
The magazines are for promoting the sale of shooting goods, nothing more.
Jim
23 June 2003, 01:42
carcano91quote:
Originally posted by arkypete:
The best of the bunch was Rifle and Handloader. But no more, these two fine mags are no different then the other mags at the news stand.
Alas ! I can't judge about Rifle, but as to Handloader, I have witnessed its demise. Most of its deterioration is due to the editor, with whom I have corresponded: a pompous and self-inflated buffoon if I ever met one, who did not even care for the difference in quality (original quotation: "We have had many excellent articles in the past").
quote:
The American Rifleman very seldom brought me much of anything other then polical news.
My perception is that the American Rifleman has greatly improved from, say, its low tide in the early 80s.
Regards,
Carcano
23 June 2003, 02:12
DigitalDanMy favorite writers? You folks, of course! You're out in the field using all manner of equipment and techniques, have attitudes that run the entire spectrum AND you are NOT bound to a particular agenda. My hat is off to all...
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23 June 2003, 04:00
savage49494Digital Dan, Flattery will get you everywhere.
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23 June 2003, 04:38
GatehouseI think Rifle and handloader are pretty darn good. Other than the local mags, they are the only ones I read.
Can you guys be more specific about your complaints wth them?
I've only been reading them for 5 or 6 years...
23 June 2003, 05:14
WstrnhuntrI agree with arkypete, Too many of them anymore sound like the same old freebee gloming, hype advocating, unimaginative broken record.
My all time favorites are O'connor and Bill Leeper.
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23 June 2003, 05:31
Mark R DobrenskiI'll buy into this one-heres my short list, in no particular order. These are guys that i trust and believe they have done it.
Les Bowman
Wayne Van Zwoll
Bob Hagle
Bob Milek
Ross Seyfried
Finn Aagard
Gary Sitton
John Barsness
Jack O'Connor
Elmer Keith
Warren Page
There might be one or two I am forgetting but to me most of these guys I have no time for. I do feel people like Bowman and Hagle and the rest of this group were/are men of their word and that they had the time and the experience needed to be making comment.
"GET TO THE HILL"
Dog
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RogerKI'd add Bill Jordan. He always was one of my favorites. And since we're going down memory lane: John Jobson. Richard Stearns. Ted Trueblood.
These names make me feel 16 again dreaming about far away places, some of which I've actually walked as a result of reading these guys.
23 June 2003, 08:07
Paul BCarcano91. I agree with you about the current editor of RIFLE and HANDLOADER. IMNSHO, he is a perfect asshole.
Somehow, he was at the range where I shoot, apparently teaching some very well endowed young blond how to shoot. Must have been his niece, right? Seeing that I recognized him, when I approached he turned away snubbing me. That man has done more to screw up two of the best gun rags out. Again, that's JMHO.
One of my rifles is the .375 Taylor. (.375/338 mag.)I forget which magazine it was, but it was either RIFLE or HANDLOADER, OK? Anyway, I was forming brass from .458 Win brass and trimming just enough to square off the necks. When I measured the overall length of the finished brass, the cases were way short of the drawing in the article. I wrote to the gun magazine asking what had I done wrong. Turns out, it was them that screwed up. They used the drawing for the .375 Epstein rather than the Taylor. The Epstein is longer because the case is made from .375 H&H brass. Scovil treated it as if the mistake was no big thing. This is a wildcat round. What if the loading data had been was was misprinted? I had the article on the Epstein, and it's just about the same as the Taylor, the only real difference being the longer neck on the Epstein. Still, his pompous demeaning answer left a very bitter taste in my mouth. Well, the old fart is just that, old. Maybe they'll replace that old goat soon. One can only hope.
Paul B.
23 June 2003, 10:33
SocratesRoss Seyfried
Jim Corbett
Elmer Keith
Bill Jordan
Lee Jurras
Paco Kelly
John Taffin
Karamojo Bell
Hamilton Bowen
John Linebaugh
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23 June 2003, 14:33
Savage99My list is from the past as I don't read many of the books and articles now in the general press. Nothing wrong with them except that I have heard it before.
My list of good writers includes
Townsend Whelan
Russell Anabell
Bob Hagel
Warren Page
Parker Ackley
Elmer Keith
Jack O'Connor
Finn Aagard
Les Bowman
Charles Landis
Julian Hatcher
John Jobson
Bill Davis
Editor: Ken Howell
24 June 2003, 02:47
<phurley>I do a tremendous amount of shooting and reloading of hunting rifles chambered from 222 mag up to .416 Rem. Shooting and hunting are my passtimes instead of golf and the tennis I used to play, before bad knees. ------I read Outdoor Life, Rifleshooter, Shooting Times, African Hunter, Boone and Crocketts Fair Chase, and Safari Clubs magazine. I hunt everything the U.S. and Canada offer and dream of Africa. ------- I had great respect for Jack O'Connor, thought Elmer Keith was a huge Asshole but agreed with some of his thoughts about large bullets and dangerous game. Now I read and respect, Carmichael, Jamison, Van Zwoll, Barsness, Sundra, Boddington, and particularly like Layne Simpson. I shoot two of his creations, the 7mm STW and .358 STA, two of the later ideas that were both gutsy and creative. I hear complaints about Boddington, but you have to give it to him, the man hunts, he doesn't just sit on his ass and write about hunting. The post asked for my opinion, well there is mine.
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Good shooting.
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