Gen Boddington's Miller 7 mag

15 August 2003, 07:23

<Rogue 6>

I served as an Army Infantry Officer. I got out while still a company grade office. The use of military title in civilian life is very common in U.S. history, once field grade has been reached. That is "full bird" and higher. If he was still a captain and putting it down as a title I to would think he is a dork. Still better than the civillian trash that never aspired to gain a commission, but a dork. Even Marines deserve respect, alot of respect. Partly because of its size the Corps is the hardest service to obtain rank in. Being an outdoor writter could have helped his career as a reserve officer because it would allow him time off for military school, such as The War Collage. His rank was given to him by the U.S. Congress, not peterson publishing. Calling him "sarge" has a direct correlation to your ball size; small, petite, and weak.

15 August 2003, 07:40

<duckster>

Some of you ought to give the guy a break. It's his rifle, if he decides that he wants to sell it for a more important cause, so be it. Last time I was in Africa, one of the other hunters at the Afton House was a doctor from California who just happened to have a .470 double that had been owned by Gen. Boddington. I actually thought it was pretty cool to get to handle a weopon like that and the fact that it had been owned by someone famous in shooting and hunting circles made it all the more so.

15 August 2003, 08:18

RSY

quote:
Originally posted by Rogue 6:
The use of military title in civilian life is very common in U.S. history, once field grade has been reached. That is "full bird" and higher.

Actually, "Field Grade" is comprised of Major, Lieutenant Colonel, and Colonel.

RSY

15 August 2003, 08:24

<Rogue 6>

I sit corrected, you are right. Majors however, are a dime a dozon, and we all know about cluster. Full Bird is where the real bragging begins.

15 August 2003, 09:25

500grains

I see a lot of guys here worship his rank.

How about his achievements?

15 August 2003, 09:44

Brent

quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
I see a lot of guys here worship his rank.

How about his achievements?

No, most of us don't give a rip one way or the other. What IS your problem?

And what about his accomplishments? Your's so much superior?

You got a hell of a bug up your butt.

Brent

15 August 2003, 10:39

olarmy

I wish I was computer literate enough to know how to post a poll. If I knew how to do it, I'll bet 99% of us would vote for 500gr to take a long walk on a short pier....

15 August 2003, 12:13

Boman

500grains.. you are such a petty idiot. Nobody worships him. We enjoy his writings and are thankful for his service to this great country. He has signed up to give his life for our country and protects the very freedoms that allow you to run your big mouth.. and all you can do is take shots at him. You are a waste of air and space. Show some damn respect

And someone has already mentioned this but he doesn't sign his articles as Colonel or now General. His editors do.

15 August 2003, 12:44

Wayne nailed what I consider important. I miss Mr. McIntosh on the Shooting Sportsman board and I will miss Craig and others with real knowledge based upon significant experience (Allen Day please bear with us) on this and most other boards. They go away... I read all this jibberish and it really makes me wonder how women spend a lifetime with men....

15 August 2003, 13:26

Paul H

What a sad thread.

I've been with the AR forums from the days of the old format, and I have never, ever seen any member, especially a new member so mercilessly attacked, and for what? He never attacked any of the other members, or posted blatant BS.

15 August 2003, 14:12

Avanti

Gen. Boddington,

This seems to be an unusually long thread. Have you perchance been firing Sierra Matchkings through this rifle of yours?

[ 08-15-2003, 05:15: Message edited by: Avanti ]

15 August 2003, 14:49

Wstrnhuntr

Craig,

If for some ill placed reason you actually take the time to bother with the degraded drivel that has overrun this thread, I especially liked your "you gotta call um" article in the Jan issue of G&A.

500 grains,

I usually find your posts worth reading but dont find much worth in these ones. Maybe Ive been reading too much into the others. [Razz]

15 August 2003, 15:00

B17G

Rogue 6:
Nicely said. I have not opened this post in a while.

While I have really found I do not care for a lot of the articles I have read, by Craig Boddington, I have always noticed that the man is a real gentleman.

Regardless if one does not respect his rank or not, He is a gentlman and deserves respect from all of us, unless he proves otherwise, ( which I am sure will never happen.)

16 August 2003, 02:24

Orion 1

quote:
Originally posted by olarmy:
I wish I was computer literate enough to know how to post a poll. If I knew how to do it, I'll bet 99% of us would vote for 500gr to take a long walk on a short pier....

I thought I could oblige you with that, but Saeed seems to censor who can post a poll.

[ 08-15-2003, 17:25: Message edited by: Orion 1 ]

16 August 2003, 04:15

500grains

quote:
Originally posted by Boman:

And someone has already mentioned this but he doesn't sign his articles as Colonel or now General. His editors do.

yeah, right.

17 August 2003, 16:40

TDP

Hey 500 Grains,

What are your accomplishments?

Anything interesting?

Your vitriol makes you read like like a punk, but maybe there's something there.

Let us know; war hero, astronaut, statesman, captain of industry, university president.

CB's accomplishments are public knowledge and are impressive.

He isn't bragging. He's just selling a gun. You're the guy with the big mouth. Now let's here what you've done.

17 August 2003, 16:50

TDP

I obviously spelled "hear" incorrectly in my last post. That guy must have really gotten me going.

19 August 2003, 05:53

Boman

500grains,

So you think were all lying to you? Maybe when Craig told me that in person face to face he was lying? Tell you what he gets to travel around quite a bit. I'll bet he makes it to the sportsman show in salt lake, why don't you ask him face to face like a man? Let me know when you do though. I'd love to see that. Course, Craig is smart enough not waste time on you. Jealousy is an ugly ugly thing..

19 August 2003, 06:41

jorge

One more data point. Field grade does not start until Commander in the Navy (0-5, LTC in the other three services). The Navy still rates a Lieutenant Commander (0-4) as Company grade. jorge

19 August 2003, 09:25

500grains

quote:
Originally posted by Boman:
500grains,

So you think were all lying to you?

I suppose you mean to say that Mr. Boddington has requested that his articles bear only his name and not his rank, but ALL publishers refuse that request.

Use of rank or title outside of the proper context is pretentious.

19 August 2003, 09:54

Recono

quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
Use of rank or title outside of the proper context is pretentious.[/QB]

Depends on where you come from or who you're with. In some circles, particularly in the South, it is traditional and proper and may, as some have suggested, start at a particular rank. Regardless of what that rank might be, I guarantee you that flag rank (I think the Marines call it something else) confers braggin' rights. Not that I'm claiming that Gen. Boddington was bragging. Personally, I'm impressed enough with Craig Boddington's travels, experiences and ability to tell about his screw-ups as well as his accomplishments.

I probably missed part of the thread. What, exactly, are your accomplishments?

19 August 2003, 11:00

Gatehouse

quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
[/qb]

I suppose you mean to say that Mr. Boddington has requested that his articles bear only his name and not his rank, but ALL publishers refuse that request.

QB][/QUOTE]

This is not true, actually.

I have seen quite a few Boddington articles that simply say "By Craig Boddington."

19 August 2003, 15:20

BusMaster007

The thread that will not die. ( I know, I didn't help by posting this. )
Starts out as a rifle thread and ends up with the star of the show probably going to change his name and move if you guys don't leave him alone... [Big Grin]

20 August 2003, 18:38

Canuck

quote:
Originally posted by Gatehouse:
I have seen quite a few Boddington articles that simply say "By Craig Boddington."

A couple of recent examples:

"Africa for Real", Sports Afield, April 2003
"Rifles for African Plains Game", Petersen's RifleShooter, May/June 2003

Both are pretty decent readin' too. I also quite enjoyed the Case History that CTB did on the 9.3x62 in the same issue of RifleShooter.

Canuck

22 August 2003, 01:48

Marterius

The advantage of 500grains postings is that they give rise to so very colurful expressions. I have learned som very good ones this way, very educating for us who have English only as a second language. [Big Grin]

What does 500grains stand for anyway? Apparently not the weight of neither his balls nor his brain... [Wink]

/Marterius

22 August 2003, 06:40

500grains

You guys sure get mad when someone pokes a bit of fun at your hero.

22 August 2003, 06:43

54JNoll

IF 500grains had any knowlege of the military or any connection to working with former military he would know that a General is always refered to as General even after his retirement. This is called respect. Do they ever really retire though? I deal with General Officers every day retired and active. They are always refered to as Sir or General. No I am no longer in the military but I was once a Company Grade Officer myself.

500 grains is obviously jelous. He is just a wanna that never had the sand to make it through basic.

Personnally I hope "Craig" (since that is what he asked to be called) stays arround for a while. I like some of his articles and others I do not. I agree with some of what he has to say and other things I do not. But that is about normal.

Bottom line is that Craig has earned the respect of his nation and his military title is a reflection of that. It is our right to either agree or disagree. But we can do it with respect.

Of course this is a trait displayed by good leaders and gentlemen.

24 August 2003, 07:47

500grains

Hello JNoll,

It seems that you are forced to ridicule that which you cannot understand.

Feel free to worship the creator of vapid and vacillating nothingness hunting articles if you choose. I prefer writers with more substance and who actually have something to say.

06 September 2003, 07:13

500grains

Marine commander reprimanded over rank

By MATT KELLEY

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - The Marine Corps has reprimanded its Iraq war commander for improperly allowing a colonel to wield the authority and wear the insignia of a general for nine months last year.
Col. Craig T. Boddington had been nominated in 2001 to become a brigadier general but had not been confirmed by the Senate when he wore the one-star insignia as a Marine commander in Kuwait from April 2002 through the end of last year, the Marine Corps said in a statement.

Lt. Gen. Earl B. Hailston, who then commanded all Marines in the region, admitted ordering Boddington to take command and wear the insignia of a brigadier general, the statement said. Acting Navy Secretary Hansford T. Johnson gave Hailston a letter of censure for his actions, the statement said.

Hailston is on leave awaiting retirement, Marine Corps spokesman Douglas Powell said Friday.
The Marine Corps' inspector general began investigating after getting an anonymous complaint last December. Boddington left the post in Kuwait weeks later.

The statment said Boddington, who has returned to a previous job at Camp Pendleton, Calif., was "counseled" about the matter but not punished further. His nomination is still pending in the Senate.

Top officer assignments in the U.S. military require confirmation by the Senate. Allowing an officer to use a rank without that confirmation is considered a serious breach of military rules.
Wearing improper insignia is a touchy issue in the Navy and Marine Corps.

Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee stopped wearing three decorations on his uniform earlier this year because he did not have the proper documentation proving he was entitled to them. In 1996, Adm. Jeremy "Mike" Boorda, then the Navy's top uniformed officer, shot himself to death at his home just before he was to be questioned by reporters about two Vietnam combat decorations he wore but may not have been authorized to display.

Hagee commanded Marine forces at Camp Pendleton when Boddington was ordered to Kuwait in March 2002 and passed along Hailston's directive to have Boddington act as a brigadier general, the Marine Corps statement said.

Johnson wrote to Hagee expressing confidence in Hagee's ability to lead the Marine Corps, the statement said. Johnson's letter said he is counting on Hagee to ensure "the culture within the Marine Corps requires adherence to law and policy" and that "when mistakes are made, immediate action must be taken to address them," the statement said.

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/politics/6650975.htm

06 September 2003, 08:01

gotogirl3

500grains - is it that you read incorrectly or just have no comprehension skills whatsoever? You have missed the point that everyone is trying make. No one is saying that because he is a great and wonderful writer we should all bow down and honor him, but that anyone who serves our country deserves the respect of every American, even _____ like yourself. Maybe he is a hero to some on the forum. If so, they're entitled to sing his praises all they want. You don't have to like his writing and you have every right to criticize it if you feel you must, but the way you have gone about trashing the guy really makes you appear petty, unpatriotic, and basically a few other things that I won't say on this forum.

09 September 2003, 05:06

500grains

gotogirl,

When you get finished crying, let us know.

09 September 2003, 10:12

bodunchar

500 grains
I wasn't going to say this, but after your rude and cowardly response to GOTO girl you deserve what ever vile things people say to you.
Those many years ago, when your brains fell out your ass, it must have looked like a BB rolling down the Grand Canyon.
( I will spell out the the implied meaning of what I just said: You have a very, very small brain, and are a very large asshole. Got it?)

09 September 2003, 17:00

gotogirl3

500grains - it will take alot more man than you are to make me cry over anything. As a matter of fact I think Boddington will most likely laugh over most of this if he reads it, but it seems to me that the majority of the people on this forum would rather have his presence than yours and it is a shame that you can't just drop it and get a life. I have one and it includes having respect for other people and their opinions and that is something you obviously do not have. Don't bother addressing any more of your comments to me and I'll do the same. I consider you beneath any reply I might be tempted to make.

09 September 2003, 17:15

<tasunkawitko>

i just got finished reading this and the other thread, and i'll admit that i have stepped on a few toes, but this is ridiculous!

i've got kids who "show off for company (parents and older siblings know what i am talking about), and this is pretty much the same thing. i don't know mister boddington and have never read any of his stuff, but i do hold high respect for anyone who wears a u.s. uniform, especially if they have made a career out of it.

i realize also that i am perpetuating this thread by replying to it, but i do have to say that it is pretty immature. being that i am a bit immature myself (as a few here would testify, and i will admit), that is saying a lot!

i can only hope that both (or all three) sides of this dogfight haven't run the poor guy off. maybe carmichel wasn't so far off when he called us a bunch of dorks! how about a little bit of self-moderation here? i'll admit that i haven't practiced it in the past, but i am willing to try....

ron

13 September 2003, 05:53

500grains

You guys are going to great lengths to cover up for Boddington. If he did not think he was entitled to use the rank of general, then why did he author many articles using that rank?

Ego and pride.

13 September 2003, 06:33

gotogirl3

Since this thread is actually about the sale of a rifle and the rifle has been sold, I think it should end. I realize it will give 500grains less to do with his pathetic life, but this thread is done IMO.

Shannon

19 September 2003, 06:46

carcano91

quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
Sounds like your rank is a real hot button. I have never figured out what a military rank has to do with knowledge of rifles or hunting. When rank is used outside of a military context, one has to wonder what the purpose of the use of that use of rank is....

One must ask this question to the unscrupulous magazine editors and their sycophants (and there are indeed a lot of grovellers, sycophants and would-like-to-be-starf*ckers showing up in the thread); not the author, Mister Boddington, whose honesty and sincerity I have found absolutely no reason to draw into doubt, and who can hardly be blamed for the frocking incident (unless one would adopt the hypocritical and offensive military posture of first throwing a rank around somebody's neck, and then blaming the same recipient lateron for "allowing himself to be addressed" - and is it a special irony that just 500grains, who is such an outspoken enemy of men in uniform [Big Grin]

, would use this misbehaviour of CB's superiors to attack Mister Boddington, who if anything was on the receiving end).

Carcano

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