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31 August 2001, 09:38
Deerdogs
Medal scores on muntjac
Anyone know the required number of points to reach medal quality muntjac under the CIC system?

On Sunday I shot one at (rough guess) 70-75 points. I'll be boiling it out today sometime.

Thanks

30 August 2001, 23:18
Andre Mertens
Does he looks like this one ?

I shot him in Oxfordshire (my first Muntjac, at that )and he was unofficially scored as silver

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Andr�

31 August 2001, 08:05
Pete E
Deerdogs,

Either you've shot a real monster or your
estimate is out a bit. Below is a scan from
Peter Carne's "Woodland Stalking"...Any errors are mine from the scanning process..

"These miniature Asian immigrants, now so widely established in central and southern England and extending their range into Wales, are a quarry species more and more stalkers are taking seriously, and a (SIC. formula for assessing muntjac trophies is available. Simplicity is its keynote and, as with sika, it includes supplementary data, on maximum spread overall and width between antlers from tip to tip, which do not count for scoring purposes.
Score data begin with inside span, measured horizontally at the widest point between the inner edges of the two antlers. Length is measured in the usual way, from the base of the coronet along the outer edge of the beam to the tip of the antler in each instance. The length of each antler is separately recorded on the score sheet, with any difference between the two being noted down as a debit. In other words, for scoring purposes the length of each antler is assumed to be that of the shorter of the two, if there is a difference, as also applies to other differences in dimension. Next are the brow tines, measured from where they erupt, directly above the coronets, along their undersides to their tips, each being recorded separately. In muntjac brow tines are frequently absent, but as they are normally very short this may not reduce the score substantially. Now measure tightly around each coronet to determine the coronet circumference and treat in exactly the same way, deducting any difference between the two as a debit. Beam circumference should be similarly dealt with, measuring each halfway between base and tip.
Add up the credits, deduct any debits, and the figure you arrive at, expressed in centimetres and millimetres, should be the C.I.C. score for your trophy. Having been shot in Britain the muntjac involved will be of the small Reeves�s species, native to China. Standards originally set for Reeves�s muntjac were 54.00 to 54.99 for a bronze, 53.00 to 55.99 for a silver and 56.00 or more for a gold medal trophy. On the recommendation of C. Kenneth Whitehead, the C.I.C decided at its Buenos Aires conference in March 1997 to revise these figures as follows:
56.00 to 58.49 for a Bronze,
58.50 to 60.99 for a Silver
61.00 or more for a Gold."

Pete


01 September 2001, 09:24
Deerdogs
Pete: Reckon my internal tape measure must be a bit out! He is still sat in the boiling pan at home but I'll finish him this weekeend. Stand by for an accurate measurement and a photo.

Andre. Thanks, my buck is shorter but looks thicker than yours.

Regards

02 September 2001, 02:37
Andre Mertens
Pete, according to your instructions, I put the tape on my Muntjac trophy and here are my findings (cm) :

inside span: 11,2
L antler R : 11,7
" L : 12,0
- 0,3
tine R : 1,3
" L : 1,2
- 0,1
dia. coronet R : 7,5
" L : 7,8
- 0,3
dia. beam R : 4,5
" L : 4,3
- 0,2

Total 60,6
(= silver according to C.I.C. score <1997).

NB. : I should have bagged that buck 2 years earlier, when he meant "gold"

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Andr�

02 September 2001, 06:44
Deerdogs
I conservatively measured him at 63.5 points.

Here he is next to my best roebuck:

[This message has been edited by Deerdogs (edited 09-01-2001).]

03 September 2001, 02:12
Andre Mertens
Congratulations Deedogs, nice heads. BTW, why didn't you keep the fangs on the Muntjac ?

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Andr�

03 September 2001, 07:12
Deerdogs

andre: Thanks. The fangs on this old chap were broken off - probably due to fighting (his ears were in tatters also). I have got the stumps.

Regards

03 September 2001, 07:15
Pete E
Sorry I did not get back earlier, but I've
been away stalking...

Deerdogs,

Regardless of the score, that is a lovely head. Are you going to get it measured officially?? Where abouts did it come from??

Andre,

You really should get that scored properly as it just might scrape in as a gold...

Two very fine heads you both should be proud of...

Regards,

Pete

05 September 2001, 09:20
Deerdogs
quote:
Originally posted by Pete E:

Deerdogs,

Regardless of the score, that is a lovely head. Are you going to get it measured officially?? Where abouts did it come from??


Hi Pete. I may get it done next year. He came from arable farmland a couple of miles west of Bury St Edmunds.

05 September 2001, 10:27
Pete E
Deerdogs,

I was stalking out of the club cottage last weekend. On the Sunday, I was driving home around 11am, and saw two munty bucks fighting in a field on the side of the road.
They were at it a couple of minutes before one chased the other into a large bramble patch in the hedgerow. Remarkable to watch as I have never seen that before. All in all, a great end to a good weekends stalking.

Pete

05 September 2001, 23:10
Pete
That's a handy sized trophy Deerdog (must be the geography!).

I'm just going to get out the tape measure and maybe you or Pete E can tell me how to go about getting a trophy "officially" measured please?

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06 September 2001, 01:20
Pete E
Pete,

You need to find a qualified CIC measurer.
Although I did not notice it happening this year, at previous deerfairs I have seen either Dominic Griffiths (sp?) or Richard Prior measuring them. I suspect i have also seen them do it at the Weston Park which is coming up the weekend after next. I'll do some digging and get back to you,

Pete

06 September 2001, 01:57
Pete E
Peter

Dominic Griffiths (sp?) will be on the BDS stand at Weston Park the weekend after next.
If you can't make that, I have Richard Priors
telephone and his wife says you can either post them or drop them off at his house.

Pete

13 September 2001, 02:24
1894
Deerdogs,

Sorry, been away on a non shooting holiday.

Looks a great head - bet he had a neck on him!

Dominic just measured my good heads - 2 golds (but not as good as yours)and a silver together with a freak 7 pointer and one where the 2 points of one tine are equal lengths. There has to be some return for time spent on what most stalkers have turned their nose up against. One is the sheer fun of stalking them and the other is that there can be some surprisingly good trophies.

I still fancy a crack at Muntjac Giganticus in the jungles of Laos/Cambodia!

14 September 2001, 08:02
Andre Mertens
Here's another pic from the Muntjac I posted above. It's taken from another angle to show how the antlers bend backwards

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Andr�