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Killed the herd bull Tues Morn.
03 October 2009, 09:06
Les StaleyKilled the herd bull Tues Morn.
Took him away from his harem, about a dozen cows and a couple of smaller would-be boyfriends, he was bedded in a yellow-grass meadow on the edge of his herd, couldn't get any closer, but found a dirt bank to lay on, got a good rest and after he stood up, took off the top of his heart at 433 lazered yards.. A3 Remington rechambered to 300 Win mag, shooting a handload of 180 Nosler Partition @ 3000fps. I have several pictures, but don't know how to post,, could e-mail to one of you kind gentlemen.. thanks Les
03 October 2009, 09:21
SevenxbjtCongrats! Can't wait to see the pics.
03 October 2009, 18:34
Mike_Dettorreemail them to me
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
04 October 2009, 06:39
Les StaleyThank you, Mike... I just sent one, (I think).. Les
04 October 2009, 07:05
Mike_DettorrePosting for Les. Congrats very nice bull.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
04 October 2009, 17:57
DMBLes,
Kudos on the Herd Bull Kill! AWESOME!!!
Thanks for posting the pix Mike.
Don
04 October 2009, 21:21
OLBIKERLes ,congrats!!!!!Thats a dandy.
04 October 2009, 23:33
Ol BullCongrats Les on a Great Bull

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05 October 2009, 01:42
stillbeemanGreat trophy. You don't feel bad because you weren't using a .243 or .260 do you??

05 October 2009, 03:48
philny1Way to go!!!
I'm gettin' wired. Leaving for CO on the 13th, for their 2nd rifle season. Then on to NM to hunt the 24th--28th.
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05 October 2009, 04:22
ted thornGreat Job.

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05 October 2009, 09:46
Bobby TomekNice going!

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05 October 2009, 10:07
GeedubyaBetter than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick!!!
Way to go.
Best
GWB
05 October 2009, 18:20
mstarling

Congrats!
Mike
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ravenrnice work les
yumm chops,steaks,roasts,hamburger.....
06 October 2009, 22:02
Hawkeye MountaineerGood job, Les-
Congratulations on the heart-shot at 433 yds!
-Don't you love it when the rack is as big as the ATV?
Thanks for sharing the report on the success of the 180gr 300 Win Mag handload!
