Blue, trust me when I say that that rifle balances perfectly, and that stock is of outstanding design with but one small flaw......



Chuck

Allen,

Very nice, indeed! But the targets and your description of the way it feeds round ("...like it's attached to a vacuum hose"), is equally impressive.

-Steve

Blue, I believe that the stocks Curt Crum turns out for Dave Miller were designed by Miller himself. I've seen photos of Miller rifles which were produced before Curt went to work for Dave, and the stock design is the same.

And it is a super stock, a lot like Al Biesen's in general design, but with a better, fuller pistol grip. I hunted with a Miller "Marksman" for a few years, and that stock was one of the strong features of the rifle.

The only way to improve it would be to offer it in fiberglass!

Craftsmen such as D'Arcy and Curt Crum, guys who can build a complete rifle from metalwork to stock are somewhat rare, but in my opinion they turn out the best rifles. Nothing is lost in the translation along the way, and you have a single creative genius behind the whole project.....

AD

Allen,

Beautiful rifle. Many folks disparage "plastic stocked" rifles; contending that only real wood rifles are "classic"; but yours is truely a work of fuctional art.

Thanks for sharing,

Bob

Allen, wonderfull rifle, thank you for sharing her with us.

allen day

Nice looking rifle. It looks a bit mordernistic with the "silver style" recoil pad and the Arizona "fibercassian" stock

Have the "fibercassian" same color on all rifles? D'Arcy's stock pattern is really nice. I hope he got one for the m-98's

How come that you opted for the 338 win?
Cheers
/ JOHAN

kutenaymtnboy,

"Beauty is as beauty does..." That is exactly my point!

The rifle has Classic lines that are balanced and appealing to the eye.

Regards,
Dave

Allan,

Very nice, and the .338 WM about all you need for North America. You also have one of his in .300 WM don't you??
I noticed the bottom target; a Data-Targ target, LONG out of business. I thought I was the only one still using those targets. I keep a single "master" copy and have been running those off on a copier for years. I really liked a few of their target designs and never knew what happened to them.

FN in MT

DavidC

Please do not misunderstand me. I don't necessarily think that a gun has to have circassian or any other type of walnut in order to be a fine gun. And I said, I have read many articles both about and by Mr. Echols, and so I know a little bit about what went into the rifle. And I am absolutely sure it is a very fine Rifle because Mr. Day has very high credibility in my book.

However, I still say that I don't necessarily like its looks. It looks a bit front heavy to me. I am sure that there is a reason for it because Mr. Echols adheres to the rule of "form follows function".

Long ago (maybe 20-25 years ago) I opened up a magazine and saw the first photograph I had seen of a Curt Crum Stock. since then, no other shape of stock, be it fine walnut or platic, has looked as good to me. It is all a matter of personal taste.

Lastly, I don't care how much a rifle costs, I would still hunt with it.

Blue

Kutenay, the laminate stock I referred to was produced by D'Arcy for a LH "Legend" chambered for the 416 rem. Because the McMillan stock is not available to the lefty crowd, D'Arcy stocked a couple, or few, lefty's with stocks built from obeche laminate blanks. He doesn't really want to go this route anymore. I'm guessing because the work involved would closely rival that of the effort put into a "Classic" stock with less return, among other reasons I'm sure. Here is a link to some information on those blanks and a small picture of the Echols Legend LH 416 (99% sure) I pulled the trigger on.

Obeche

Chuck

Chuck, thank you, this just solved a problem I have been working on for about four years! I just called D&B and they can supply EXACTLY what I need in light, laminated stocks for my beloved Brnos, both ZG-47 and 21-22 series. I just can't bring myself to put "glass" stocks on these and the stocks that come with them are pathetic, at best.

Your hands might be on the wrong side, BUT, your brain is definitely on the RIGHT side. Mucho good info, thanks again!

To add a little more, I shot both LH and RH stocked Legends a few months ago. The RH hand one was a 375 built for Allen. At the time I owned a LH safari express in the same chambering, and even though the stock on Allen's rifle was designed for a right handed shooter, its ability to handle recoil effectively completely outclasses my safari express.

Chuck

Allen - very nice rifle, I'd be proud to own one like that - KMule

So, you are saying the flaw is me? Fortunately, I've shouldered a mirror image stock built in obeche (sp?) laminate so I know what Allen is talking about (I have a jar with "D'Arcy's McMillan LH mould fund" written on it on my dresser).

It is sort of frusterating to try to explain how wonderful that stock really is.

Chuck

An excellent rifle in the perfect "one gun" caliber.

Allen



I don't know that I necessarily agree that the rifle is all that "great looking". In fact, it is rather common looking in my opinion.



However, having read many articles by Mr. Echols, and therefore knowing some of what has been done to that Model 70 Classic action to make it feed, function, and shoot, goes a long way toward making it look a bit better.



Most impressive looking are the targets, and those Echols special scope mounts.



Blue