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Just say no CO
29 August 2023, 03:45
KDGJJust say no CO
After the wolf introduction, CO can bring back wolverines. Maybe they can clean up the Denver streets.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colora...troduction-colorado/Ken
30 August 2023, 18:53
chuck375My vote is for Colorado to reintroduce grizzly bears. Start out with them in the Needles Wilderness Area and Estes Park have then chase those pesky Boulder liberals around.
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
31 August 2023, 19:34
roncoquote:
Originally posted by chuck375:
My vote is for Colorado to reintroduce grizzly bears. Start out with them in the Needles Wilderness Area and Estes Park have then chase those pesky Boulder liberals around.
That would work for me!!
02 September 2023, 01:23
Matt NormanWe have this situation in Colorado where the city mice (front range; Denver and Boulder) out vote us country mice on the western slope.
02 September 2023, 02:02
chuck375It happens in most of the states in the U.S I think they should give people in mountains/country 5x votes.
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
02 September 2023, 03:08
roncoquote:
Originally posted by Matt Norman:
We have this situation in Colorado where the city mice (front range; Denver and Boulder) out vote us country mice on the western slope.
The northeast plains are out voted, the same like you.
17 September 2023, 20:11
Lee WoiteshekEach county should have one vote. I'd bet that Colorado wouldn't be blue.
19 September 2023, 03:51
Kyler HamannWe should get one vote per acre we pay taxes on. Then we wouldn't have all these problems.
19 September 2023, 08:04
TomPquote:
Originally posted by Kyler Hamann:
We should get one vote per acre we pay taxes on. Then we wouldn't have all these problems.
Originally, things were more or less like that...
TomP
Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.
Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
30 September 2023, 21:29
JefffiveSo, it's democracy ya'll hate?
"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
02 October 2023, 03:57
chuck375I love the republic whis is different than a flat democracy. One with checks and balances. I do prefer grizzlies to most people though.
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
02 October 2023, 05:19
Jefffivequote:
Originally posted by chuck375:
I love the republic whis is different than a flat democracy. One with checks and balances. I do prefer grizzlies to most people though.
We have always been a democratic republic.
Personally, I'd rather have functioning ecosystems than pastures of elk and deer, but that's just me.
Link
"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
02 October 2023, 14:48
p dog shooterquote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by chuck375:
I love the republic whis is different than a flat democracy. One with checks and balances. I do prefer grizzlies to most people though.
We have always been a democratic republic.
Personally, I'd rather have functioning ecosystems than pastures of elk and deer, but that's just me.
Link
Same thing could have been accomplished by allowing human hunter to take elk.
02 October 2023, 20:33
Jefffivequote:
Originally posted by p dog shooter:
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Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by chuck375:
I love the republic whis is different than a flat democracy. One with checks and balances. I do prefer grizzlies to most people though.
We have always been a democratic republic.
Personally, I'd rather have functioning ecosystems than pastures of elk and deer, but that's just me.
Link
Same thing could have been accomplished by allowing human hunter to take elk.
Go read the article, the wolves did far more than reduce herd numbers, the cascading effects restored the entire ecosystem complete with elk and deer.
"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
03 October 2023, 06:33
jdollarquote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by chuck375:
I love the republic whis is different than a flat democracy. One with checks and balances. I do prefer grizzlies to most people though.
We have always been a democratic republic.
Personally, I'd rather have functioning ecosystems than pastures of elk and deer, but that's just me.
Link
Spoken like a true anti hunter…. And I read the article.I’m not too concerned with beaver, raven, and beetle populations.
Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend…
To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP
03 October 2023, 08:53
Lamarquote:
We have always been a democratic republic.
you mean a constitutional republic.
a democratic republic is what Venezuela has.
03 October 2023, 19:57
Aspen Hill Adventuresquote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by chuck375:
I love the republic whis is different than a flat democracy. One with checks and balances. I do prefer grizzlies to most people though.
We have always been a democratic republic.
Personally, I'd rather have functioning ecosystems than pastures of elk and deer, but that's just me.
Link
Do you have wolves on your property 'improving' the ecosystem?
~Ann
04 October 2023, 04:23
chuck375No wolves yet Ann, but I have lions, black bears, deer and coyotes. Looking forward to the wolves and the grizzly bears
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
04 October 2023, 07:09
Jefffivequote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
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Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by chuck375:
I love the republic whis is different than a flat democracy. One with checks and balances. I do prefer grizzlies to most people though.
We have always been a democratic republic.
Personally, I'd rather have functioning ecosystems than pastures of elk and deer, but that's just me.
Link
Do you have wolves on your property 'improving' the ecosystem?
Since roughly a third of Colorado is Federal land I soon shall it seems.
"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
04 October 2023, 07:13
Jefffivequote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by chuck375:
I love the republic whis is different than a flat democracy. One with checks and balances. I do prefer grizzlies to most people though.
We have always been a democratic republic.
Personally, I'd rather have functioning ecosystems than pastures of elk and deer, but that's just me.
Link
Spoken like a true anti hunter…. And I read the article.I’m not too concerned with beaver, raven, and beetle populations.
If you want to shoot elk or deer stacked up behind a fence there are lots of places that offer that kind of sport. A healthy, functioning ecosystem is a lot more resilient when a harsh winter or a drought hits, and much more likely to support deer and elk across it.
"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
05 October 2023, 19:57
Jason Pquote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by jdollar:
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Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by chuck375:
I love the republic whis is different than a flat democracy. One with checks and balances. I do prefer grizzlies to most people though.
We have always been a democratic republic.
Personally, I'd rather have functioning ecosystems than pastures of elk and deer, but that's just me.
Link
Spoken like a true anti hunter…. And I read the article.I’m not too concerned with beaver, raven, and beetle populations.
If you want to shoot elk or deer stacked up behind a fence there are lots of places that offer that kind of sport. A healthy, functioning ecosystem is a lot more resilient when a harsh winter or a drought hits, and much more likely to support deer and elk across it.
Do you hunt? Specifically, in the west?
05 October 2023, 21:14
buffybrquote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
So, it's democracy ya'll hate?
No its the STUPID and IGNORANT liberals that are ruining our GREAT country!
NRA Endowment Life Member
09 October 2023, 19:36
Omnivorous_Bob[/QUOTE]
Personally, I'd rather have functioning ecosystems than pastures of elk and deer, but that's just me.
Link[/QUOTE]
Spoken like a true anti hunter…. And I read the article.I’m not too concerned with beaver, raven, and beetle populations.[/QUOTE]
If you want to shoot elk or deer stacked up behind a fence there are lots of places that offer that kind of sport. A healthy, functioning ecosystem is a lot more resilient when a harsh winter or a drought hits, and much more likely to support deer and elk across it.[/QUOTE]
I'm solidly in the fully functional ecosystem camp and I do hunt, a lot! If you want GOOD hunting, not necessarily the easiest hunting, take care of the birds, raptors, rodents, and bugs and wetlands and streams and yes, predators. I lived in AK for decades and now in MT with plenty of black, brown, grizzly bears (often in the front or back yard when I'm trying to leave for work), lynx, wolves, coyotes, mtn lions, etc. The sky won't fall and the game will be healthier for it.
We hunters can be our own worst enemy, as if a little is good then more must be better. We notice deer at a stock tank, so we put out a feeder. Then a food crop. Then a fence to protect them from predators and to stop them from being hunted by our neighbors. Then cameras to managed the genetics of "our" deer and certainly the extermination of any predator that could compete with us while ignoring the many other roles they play. The hiring QDM consultants. It is a slippery slope from our desire to successfully hunt a wild animal into wildlife ranching, and ironically requires ever more effort.
I personally think deer hunting is less fun than watching paint dry, but I'd rather stalk a doe living wild than a monster buck that had to be "helped" along and protected at every stage of its life just so I can shoot it. I can get feedlot meat without having to get up at 3am and freezing!
And for the record, I do think predator reintroductions should start with "The Golden Bear State" that currently lacks ANY of its namesake grizzlies and Central Park, as the Dutch reported bears, wolves, and coyotes on Manhatten after their arrival.
Cheers,
DRSS
"If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?"
"PS. To add a bit of Pappasonian philosophy: this single barrel stuff is just a passing fad. Bolt actions and single shots will fade away as did disco, the hula hoop, and bell-bottomed pants. Doubles will rule the world!"
11 October 2023, 01:55
chuck375Agree lol!
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
26 November 2023, 07:31
Matt NormanWe are a Constitutional Republic! Thank God!
19 December 2023, 18:15
chuck375First wolves released from an Oregon Pack yesterday. Experiment has begun.
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
19 December 2023, 18:52
roncoquote:
Originally posted by chuck375:
First wolves released from an Oregon Pack yesterday. Experiment has begun.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...12cc2a63a916d&ei=11619 December 2023, 20:09
HuviusLooking into this specific example of relocating wolves from Oregon to Coloraado, the wolves moved came from the largest packs in Oregon.
There are estimated to be 178 individual wolves in Oregon.
The cost of "wolf management" in Oregon was over $2M in 2022 alone.
That's an annual cost of over $11,000 per wolf!
So much for a natural "functioning ecosystem"!!
Insane...
https://dfw.state.or.us/Wolves...olf_Report_Final.pdf19 December 2023, 21:54
drummondlindseyquote:
Originally posted by chuck375:
First wolves released from an Oregon Pack yesterday. Experiment has begun.
Only “winner” here was Oregon as they were able to rid themselves of 5 wolves
20 December 2023, 18:32
Panchoquote:
Originally posted by Kyler Hamann:
We should get one vote per acre we pay taxes on. Then we wouldn't have all these problems.
NO! NON! NO HOW! Go back to the original design of the Founding Fathers - only landowners are allowed to vote. Back then there was only property tax so it was basically only taxpayers voting. I wouldn't object to those who actually pay Income Tax being franchised as well. But if you didn't actually pay, you don't vote. Excludes those earned income credit filers that get back more than they pay. Apply this standard to all elections everywhere. Quit letting the freeloaders vote themselves more public largess at the taxpayers expense.
Pancho
LTC, USA, RET
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20 December 2023, 18:39
chuck375You guys would've been happy with the French system before their revolution, except of course if you weren't one of the landed gentry.
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
20 December 2023, 19:34
Aspen Hill Adventuresquote:
Originally posted by Pancho:
quote:
Originally posted by Kyler Hamann:
We should get one vote per acre we pay taxes on. Then we wouldn't have all these problems.
NO! NON! NO HOW! Go back to the original design of the Founding Fathers - only landowners are allowed to vote. Back then there was only property tax so it was basically only taxpayers voting. I wouldn't object to those who actually pay Income Tax being franchised as well. But if you didn't actually pay, you don't vote. Excludes those earned income credit filers that get back more than they pay. Apply this standard to all elections everywhere. Quit letting the freeloaders vote themselves more public largess at the taxpayers expense.
It should not be city people voting to put predators in our pastures. This is what is happening. Those wolves will not stick to bambi.
~Ann
21 December 2023, 02:20
HuviusI would be happy if the folks who voted for unnecessary feel good measures to simply pay for what they vote for.
If there are costs associated with the reintroduction and management of these wolves, then I'm sure that those who voted "yes" will happily pay for it.
21 December 2023, 05:57
Omnivorous_Bobquote:
Originally posted by Pancho:
quote:
Originally posted by Kyler Hamann:
We should get one vote per acre we pay taxes on. Then we wouldn't have all these problems.
NO! NON! NO HOW! Go back to the original design of the Founding Fathers - only landowners are allowed to vote. Back then there was only property tax so it was basically only taxpayers voting. I wouldn't object to those who actually pay Income Tax being franchised as well. But if you didn't actually pay, you don't vote. Excludes those earned income credit filers that get back more than they pay. Apply this standard to all elections everywhere. Quit letting the freeloaders vote themselves more public largess at the taxpayers expense.
Sorry, this is not a personal attack but I'm not going to sit idly by while some folks call for citizens they disagree with to be stripped of the right to vote or otherwise disenfranchised. We fought a revolution over those ideas at the cost of a lot of lives. Where would this sort of logic end?
As someone who I assume is well versed in US history, you'll surely know that it was actually only
white landowners, who owned as certain amount of property (in the thousands of acres) who had the right to vote. And 99% of federal revenue came from tariffs on imports, as there was and is no such thing as federal property taxes. But you already knew that.
As someone who, given your sig line, also swore an oath to uphold and defend the US constitution against all enemies foreign AND domestic, including those pesky 14th, 15th, and 19th amendments that some find apparently problematic, I find a call to return to that era repugnant to say the least and a violation of your oath at worst. We can all do so much better than this.
Cheers
DRSS
"If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?"
"PS. To add a bit of Pappasonian philosophy: this single barrel stuff is just a passing fad. Bolt actions and single shots will fade away as did disco, the hula hoop, and bell-bottomed pants. Doubles will rule the world!"
22 December 2023, 04:21
Lee WoiteshekI don't mean to be ugly, but I want to live in your reality. We are past the turning point with Supreme Court/federal/state judges that wipe their asses with the Constitution. And legislators that do the same. Without sanction. Or penalty. You want to play by the law and rules, and the democrats threw that playbook away in the 1960s. Now you have a weaponized Federal LE that only enforce the law against conservatives, and if they can't find a broken law, they will just make something up. Our vaunted Intel agencies and the Corporations are on board with this which makes the Nazis look like rank amateurs.
22 December 2023, 05:25
Huviusquote:
Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
quote:
Originally posted by chuck375:
First wolves released from an Oregon Pack yesterday. Experiment has begun.
Only “winner” here was Oregon as they were able to rid themselves of 5 wolves
And now, after the Colorado Division of Wildlife claims that they wouldn't accept any wolves from known cattle depredation packs, it is revealed that two of the three packs these wolves came from are in fact cattle killers.
Just perfect...
22 December 2023, 14:52
LHeym500quote:
Originally posted by Lamar:
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We have always been a democratic republic.
you mean a constitutional republic.
a democratic republic is what Venezuela has.
A Constitutional, limited Democracy where the People, even the ones you disagree w get to vote; just like you.
As far as Wolf Reintroduction, I think it is bad policy. I see it hurting elk populations and causing conflict it farmers that will not be addressed. However, that alone does not make it policy that is not enactable through the process of the vote.
You can ignore Jefffive’s observations of a better overall ecosystem bc you do not care about non-game species. However, that does not defeat his argument, and I argue w him all the time.
Bottom line is no one gets to pro rate the vote. Win the debate, form a better Party, or accept the consequences of elections.
23 January 2024, 23:30
chuck375
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"