Mulie taken at 493 yards with a 6.5 Grendel M4 Carbine.

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29 October 2010, 17:53

Gatogordo

Mulie taken at 493 yards with a 6.5 Grendel M4 Carbine.

It was a fine shot and a nice result. Why all the bitching?

Could it have gone bad? Of course, but that's true anytime we pull the trigger with any gun. Anyone who claims never to have had a bad result with a shot simply hasn't shot much. Shit happens everyday. In this case it didn't, so congratulations are in order. If someone doesn't like someone else's methods or equipment, then I recommend they not use them. There are many roads to the same place.

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29 October 2010, 20:18

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by Gatogordo:
It was a fine shot and a nice result. Why all the bitching?

Could it have gone bad? Of course, but that's true anytime we pull the trigger with any gun. Anyone who claims never to have had a bad result with a shot simply hasn't shot much. Shit happens everyday. In this case it didn't, so congratulations are in order. If someone doesn't like someone else's methods or equipment, then I recommend they not use them. There are many roads to the same place.

Exactly, Gato!

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29 October 2010, 21:51

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by Brain1:
It seems the proponents of 493 yard shots at game have little in the way of ethics. You win an argument with a fool so I will just leave the rest with you guys.

Exactly where is the cut off. At what exact yardage do shots become unethical?? I really want to hear this one. Careful becaues defining ethics by a certain yardage is treading on a very slipery slope

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29 October 2010, 21:56

vapodog

quote:
defining ethics by a certain yardage is threading on a very slipery slope

shooting big game animals with a bit over 400 ft-lbs of energy when the holdover is near eight feet is a very slippery slope indeed.

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29 October 2010, 21:58

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
quote:
defining ethics by a certain yardage is threading on a very slipery slope

shooting big game animals with a bit over 400 ft-lbs of energy when the holdover is near eight feet is a very slippery slope indeed.

Only if you are doing it, because you obviously have no clue.

STOP PUTTING YOUR LIMITATIONS ON OTHERS.
I suppose that you wouldn't think much of my 1 shot DRT kill at a lasered 777 yards would you? There are those that can and those that can't and you have shown conclusively which one that you are

30 October 2010, 05:46

rcamuglia

quote:
STOP PUTTING YOUR LIMITATIONS ON OTHERS.

quote:
shooting big game animals with a bit over 400 ft-lbs of energy when the holdover is near eight feet is a very slippery slope indeed.

400 ft-lbs of energy 400 ft-lbs of energy

30 October 2010, 05:50

Whitworth

Ah yes, the energy myth surfaces once again......

"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

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30 October 2010, 06:47

rcamuglia

Nice pic of you holding a pistol to a hog's head. Manly.

Is that one of the ones smack wanted me to shoot my hunting dogs/family pets with?

30 October 2010, 06:54

vapodog

quote:
Nice pic of you holding a pistol to a hog's head. Manly.

It's OK.....The pig has had it's Miranda rights read to him.

30 October 2010, 07:07

rcamuglia

I also hope and assume that since you're a moderator, that PM you sent to him was in regards to the agressive nature of that post and its consequences here on AR?

Or was it to ask him for a date?

30 October 2010, 07:42

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by rcamuglia:
quote:
STOP PUTTING YOUR LIMITATIONS ON OTHERS.

quote:
shooting big game animals with a bit over 400 ft-lbs of energy when the holdover is near eight feet is a very slippery slope indeed.

400 ft-lbs of energy 400 ft-lbs of energy

The bullet abviously had enough force to pentrate completely and exit the animal

I'm willing to wager a hefty sum that you haven't a clue what part if any FPE plays in an inelastic collision, which is what a bullet strike is.

30 October 2010, 08:04

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by rcamuglia:
I also hope and assume that since you're a moderator, that PM you sent to him was in regards to the agressive nature of that post and its consequences here on AR?

Or was it to ask him for a date?

Do you really want to go down that road with me?

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If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

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30 October 2010, 08:05

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by rcamuglia:
Nice pic of you holding a pistol to a hog's head. Manly.

Is that one of the ones smack wanted me to shoot my hunting dogs/family pets with?

So, you've resulted to making personal attacks. Very manly of you.

"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

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30 October 2010, 08:07

rcamuglia

quote:
Originally posted by Whitworth:

Do you really want to go down that road with me?

30 October 2010, 08:11

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by rcamuglia:
quote:
Originally posted by Whitworth:

Do you really want to go down that road with me?

?

Was I not clear or do you have problems with your reading comprehension?

You seem to regularly turn discussions into pissing contests. How about finding something of merit to discuss/argue.

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If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

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30 October 2010, 08:15

vapodog

quote:
You seem to regularly turn discussions into pissing contests.

It seems at least one more than one is required for a pissing contest.

30 October 2010, 08:16

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
quote:
You seem to regularly turn discussions into pissing contests.

It seems at least one more than one is required for a pissing contest.

And you make two, is that enough?

"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

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30 October 2010, 08:18

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
quote:
You seem to regularly turn discussions into pissing contests.

It seems at least one more than one is required for a pissing contest.

And that's why you arrived, for back up correct?

30 October 2010, 08:21

vapodog

quote:
Ignored post by jwp475 posted 30 October 2010 07:18

30 October 2010, 08:22

rcamuglia

quote:
The bullet abviously had enough force to pentrate completely and exit the animal

So what's your point? If you can make a hole completely through an animal at any range, the caliber and energy of the projectile is meaningless?

Even the .043 Mosquito Swatter?

And whitworth,

Very unclear

30 October 2010, 08:37

vapodog

quote:
Originally posted by Whitworth:
quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
quote:
You seem to regularly turn discussions into pissing contests.

It seems at least one more than one is required for a pissing contest.

And you make two, is that enough?

If you check, you'll see that the pissing contest was well under way before I joined the thread. As a matter of fact it started the third post in.

30 October 2010, 08:44

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by rcamuglia:
quote:
The bullet abviously had enough force to pentrate completely and exit the animal

So what's your point? If you can make a hole completely through an animal at any range, the caliber and energy of the projectile is meaningless?

Even the .043 Mosquito Swatter?

And whitworth,

Very unclear

My point is you don't have a clue, but you do have a nice paper funnel shaped hat

30 October 2010, 08:45

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:If you check, you'll see that the pissing contest was well under way before I joined the thread. As a matter of fact it started the third post in.

Yet you still contribute to it.

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If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

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30 October 2010, 09:01

rcamuglia

Disagreeing and posting supporting facts is not "a pissing contest"

Since you're on the other side of the arguement, a advocate of the use of puny cartridges on big game animals at extended ranges, you believe anyone's input of factual info to the contrary has no merit.

Hardly a pissing contest...

30 October 2010, 13:45

Gracedog

Perhaps they should just settle it all by pursuing cape buffalo with a 223, and see what happens. At least they'll have a good running start due to the distances they like to shoot from. Then again, people that are so married to extreme distance shooting at game usually are that way due to their reluctance to give up that warm seat in the pick up truck. The fact of the matter is this: hunting bullets are designed to perform at relatively narrow velocity parameters, and shooting game outside of these parameters shows disregard for the game. End of story.

30 October 2010, 17:44

Whitworth

Not advocating the use of "puny" cartridges for the sake of doing it. The round used here was obviously up to the task judging by the results. The shooter was another factor in the success of this hunt (they always are). As a handgun hunter almost exclusively nowadays, I bristle when muzzle energy enters the "discussion." Why, because on paper (and muzzle energy is not something measured, it's calculated), even the .30-30 makes a .500 Linebaugh look way "underpowered." Having hunted with these big caliber handguns for years, I can assure you that they are very effective and that ME plays no role.

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If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

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30 October 2010, 17:45

Bob in TX

I know I shouldn't post again because it will fall on deaf ears, but the velocity was 2500 fps., not 2200 fps. The ft/lbs. of energy at 500 yards is 758, not "a bit over 400". The holdover is 5', not 8'.

Just to keep to the facts of the hunt.

It is really sad to see all the threads were you guys feel the need to go in and piss all over the hunter.

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30 October 2010, 17:54

vapodog

quote:
Originally posted by Whitworth:
Not advocating the use of "puny" cartridges for the sake of doing it. The round used here was obviously up to the task

This has two distinct baloney points ro wit:
1. You actually believe the OP story
2. You believe a 4th standard deviation result is typical

Oh....BTW....Bob in TX.....It's 2200 and 8' and 430 Ft-lb

30 October 2010, 18:03

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
quote:
Originally posted by Whitworth:
Not advocating the use of "puny" cartridges for the sake of doing it. The round used here was obviously up to the task

This has two distinct baloney points ro wit:
1. You actually believe the OP story
2. You believe a 4th standard deviation result is typical

Oh....BTW....Bob in TX.....It's 2200 and 8' and 430 Ft-lb

Yet your assessment is somehow more credible than the OP's? And how is that?

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If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

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30 October 2010, 18:08

vapodog

quote:
Originally posted by Whitworth:
quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
quote:
You seem to regularly turn discussions into pissing contests.

It seems at least one more than one is required for a pissing contest.

And you make two, is that enough?

Well after some thought I think it's the sheep that are responsible for the pissing contest....and mostly ewe.

30 October 2010, 18:10

Whitworth

"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP

If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming.

Semper Fidelis

"Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time"

30 October 2010, 18:16

vapodog

Well.....I'm outtahere.....

Drink plenty of coffee now and don't forget to squat while you're typing.

31 October 2010, 00:26

Robert Wilde

quote:
Originally posted by SMACK!!!!:
My younger brother took this Mulie this last week with a 6.5 Grendel he built him self. Shooting Precision Firearms Ammo, loaded with the Nolser 120gr Ballistic Tip's in brass head stamped 6.5-LBC. The ammo is incredibly accurate out of his 16" M4 contour Alexander Arms barrel. The 2-7X Vortex scope with the BDC matches the ballistic of this load almost perfectly. The shot was broadside at 493 yards, he had a little more wind drift than anticipated and the bullet impacted center of the lungs about 6 inches out of the pocket. The ballistic tip did not hit a rib going in and completely passed through the buck at this distance.The buck tried to keep his feet under him for 30 seconds or so before he went down.

I just noticed this thread. Why such a big cartridge and short range?

31 October 2010, 01:06

Bobby Tomek

It would be nice if common courtesy and respect would be exercised here, but I guess that is too much to ask.

Instead of acting like adults, apparently some think behaving like a disrespectful idiot is fashionable when in fact it is nothing short of despicable.

Bobby
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31 October 2010, 01:55

Scotch Bonnet

quote:
Originally posted by Bobby Tomek:
It would be nice if common courtesy and respect would be exercised here, but I guess that is too much to ask.

Instead of acting like adults, apparently some think behaving like a disrespectful idiot is fashionable when in fact it is nothing short of despicable.

I fully agree. Smack should have never taken that shot and posted it here.

31 October 2010, 02:28

rcamuglia

quote:
Originally posted by Robert Wilde:
quote:
Originally posted by SMACK!!!!:
My younger brother took this Mulie this last week with a 6.5 Grendel he built him self. Shooting Precision Firearms Ammo, loaded with the Nolser 120gr Ballistic Tip's in brass head stamped 6.5-LBC. The ammo is incredibly accurate out of his 16" M4 contour Alexander Arms barrel. The 2-7X Vortex scope with the BDC matches the ballistic of this load almost perfectly. The shot was broadside at 493 yards, he had a little more wind drift than anticipated and the bullet impacted center of the lungs about 6 inches out of the pocket. The ballistic tip did not hit a rib going in and completely passed through the buck at this distance.The buck tried to keep his feet under him for 30 seconds or so before he went down.

I just noticed this thread. Why such a big cartridge and short range?

I can completely understand why you just saw this Robert.

Not all of us are in the field, doing it like you. Thanks for taking a little time at the keyboard to tell us the story of the successful moose hunt. I know you had to sacrifice valuable hunting and long range practice, so let me speak for me and all the other keyboard jockeys here and tell you how much we appreciate it!

I don't want you to have to waste your time going back through this entire thread to get caught up, so I'll try to answer your question by summarizing what happened and why smack and his bro chose the caliber and the range....

1. They both are X or current military
2. They built a Grendel
3. Their Hero Mark Larue killed an elk with one at 405
4. They wanted to top that
5. They used the Grendel because they can't read wind as well
you.
6. smack likes to tell people to kill their dogs like his hero
Michael Vick

31 October 2010, 02:48

Bobby Tomek

Scotch Bonnet wrote:

quote:
fully agree. Smack should have never taken that shot and posted it here.

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Since you didn't even bother to read the thread, let me tell you -- first -- that SMACK did NOT take that shot. And there was absolutely nothing wrong with him posting the results of his brother's hunt.

My comment was not directed at SMACK but to those who chose immature behavior over common courtesy.

Bobby
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31 October 2010, 03:19

DMB

quote:
Originally posted by Bobby Tomek:
My comment was not directed at SMACK but to those who chose immature behavior over common courtesy.

Amen.

31 October 2010, 04:03

SMACK!!!!

quote:
Originally posted by rcamuglia:
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Wilde:
quote:
Originally posted by SMACK!!!!:
My younger brother took this Mulie this last week with a 6.5 Grendel he built him self. Shooting Precision Firearms Ammo, loaded with the Nolser 120gr Ballistic Tip's in brass head stamped 6.5-LBC. The ammo is incredibly accurate out of his 16" M4 contour Alexander Arms barrel. The 2-7X Vortex scope with the BDC matches the ballistic of this load almost perfectly. The shot was broadside at 493 yards, he had a little more wind drift than anticipated and the bullet impacted center of the lungs about 6 inches out of the pocket. The ballistic tip did not hit a rib going in and completely passed through the buck at this distance.The buck tried to keep his feet under him for 30 seconds or so before he went down.

I just noticed this thread. Why such a big cartridge and short range?

I can completely understand why you just saw this Robert.

Not all of us are in the field, doing it like you. Thanks for taking a little time at the keyboard to tell us the story of the successful moose hunt. I know you had to sacrifice valuable hunting and long range practice, so let me speak for me and all the other keyboard jockeys here and tell you how much we appreciate it!

I don't want you to have to waste your time going back through this entire thread to get caught up, so I'll try to answer your question by summarizing what happened and why smack and his bro chose the caliber and the range....

1. They both are X or current military
2. They built a Grendel
3. Their Hero Mark Larue killed an elk with one at 405
4. They wanted to top that
5. They used the Grendel because they can't read wind as well
you.
6. smack likes to tell people to kill their dogs like his hero
Michael Vick

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31 October 2010, 04:35

MickinColo

quote:
it will fall on deaf ears, but the velocity was 2500 fps., not 2200 fps. The ft/lbs. of energy at 500 yards is 758, not "a bit over 400". The holdover is 5', not 8'.

It’s interesting that there’s even an argument over 3 extra feet of drop after it already fell 5 feet.

We’re hunting deer here. We’re trying to make humane shots on them. Not fighting an enemy in another land where a hit is a hit.