Goddamn Corperations!!!

27 June 2003, 04:20

HenryC470

quote:
Originally posted by Paleohunter:
H.C. and thats is suppose to mean what? If 3/4 of everbody who drives gave up their cars say for some envrio shit and you did not and then they want to pass a law outlawing them and it was put to the ballet; who do you think would win. 2nd Amendment will not save our ass forever, they could just pass another Amendment or repel the old one. Regaurdless what Orion1 thinks it can be done.

I think my point was clear. Your point about cars went right by me. The only Constitutionally recognized reason we have for owning guns is justifiable homicide, not hunting.

Hunting is a luxury pastime of elites, and it has been ever sinced agriculture was invented. Self defense and armed resistance to tyranny are rights given by God and secured by an armed people, whether they hunt or not.

I don't trust a democracy in which my right to own guns depends on how many people hunt; especially when the democracy is heavily populated by losers who think it is okay to force land owners to let other people use their property for free.

As a practical matter, if you don't let a ranch owners supplement his income by letting people pay to hunt on his private land, how long do think it will be before his land is subdivided into 10-acre mini-ranches for Caifornians? Then where are you going to hunt?

H. C.

27 June 2003, 04:38

Mickey1

In Texas are you allowed to hunt native animals any time on private property or just during a season? What is the limit on Deer?

27 June 2003, 04:58

larrys

First, I doubt seriously that God has damned corporations. Secondly, I think that the loss of hunting could very well be tied to gun ownership. We have already proven that bans on weapons for or against a particular purpose are legal, hence full auto bans and assault weapons bans. If hunting were to be severely limited or eliminated, some could and would say there is no need for a hunting weapon. It would be hard to press the issue that a 300 Ultra Mag is needed for personal or home defense. Yes, I know I am talking about a reverse ban from what we are used to, but without hunting, it would be very likely. My point is that the two are in fact related.

The land I hunt carries a $10/acre in taxes alone for the landowner and I am glad I can do some chores to gain exclusive access to the land because I know I can't afford the $18,000 for the lease for the landowner to break even. The landowners have a right to charge what they need to make a living and not have to sell the family farm to the large coroprations as is happening in Kansas. I just wish the elk would hurry up and get far enough north for the land I hunt.

27 June 2003, 05:25

Orion 1

quote:
Originally posted by heavy varmint:
Orion, Paleohunter is right! WHEN HUNTING DIES SO DOES YOUR GUN RIGHTS. Surely someone intrusted to make decisions that could make or break an entire business can make the connection.

If you don't recognize that the Second was not inserted in the Constitution to provide for sport, you are part of the problem and part of the reason we WILL lose our rights.

Go back and READ the intent of the Founding Fathers regarding the Second Amendment. Find out what they said they meant, rather than making shit up.

You people who think the Second exists so that you may have a deer rifle or a duck gun PISS ME OFF with your ignorance. [Mad]

27 June 2003, 05:27

Orion 1

quote:
Originally posted by Mike375:
It is easy to see why the problems outlined in this thread exist...a product of the huge American population.

Like everything else in life the huge population brings certain advantages and of course certain negatives.

Having said that, I think if I moved to America tomorrow then the opportunities available would end up allowig me to shoot as freely as I can in Australia.

The bigger the opportunity the more it will be disguised.

Mike

Once again, you show yourself to be a fool by thinking you know anything about America in general and texas in particular.

I suggest you stay the fuck out of topics, such as this one, that you know nothing about.

27 June 2003, 05:36

<Paleohunter>

quote:
Originally posted by Orion 1:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike375:
It is easy to see why the problems outlined in this thread exist...a product of the huge American population.

Like everything else in life the huge population brings certain advantages and of course certain negatives.

Having said that, I think if I moved to America tomorrow then the opportunities available would end up allowig me to shoot as freely as I can in Australia.

The bigger the opportunity the more it will be disguised.

Mike
Once again, you show yourself to be a fool by thinking you know anything about America in general and texas in particular.

I suggest you stay the fuck out of topics, such as this one, that you know nothing about.

Orion1 people who live in glass houses should'nt throw stones/

27 June 2003, 06:09

Aquavit

quote:
Originally posted by HenryC470:
[QUOTE]Hunting is a luxury pastime of elites, and it has been ever sinced agriculture was invented. Self defense and armed resistance to tyranny are rights given by God and secured by an armed people, whether they hunt or not.

As a practical matter, if you don't let a ranch owners supplement his income by letting people pay to hunt on his private land, how long do think it will be before his land is subdivided into 10-acre mini-ranches for Caifornians? Then where are you going to hunt?

I don't buy the first part.

There is no basis for this idea of hunting as a passtime of elites... not in this country, not from its very beginnings. America was and is such a brilliant and virtuous deviation from the rest of the subjegated world that it stands alone. And here, hunting was and is an essential - for all men and not some select few.

Why dig so deep into history to show the living a few old bones as if they have some bearing on the present?

This idea that we are governed by elites in this country and that special privilege is bestowed upon them is to ignore the basic tenets of our founding doctrine and to do a disservice to us all.

While looking for a culprit, we're clearly ignoring as to why our farmers and ranchers are driven to supplement their incomes in the first place.

27 June 2003, 06:47

<Rogue 6>

What a bunch of socialist criebabies. If you can't afford to hunt, who's fault is that. Orion is absolutely correct about the second amendment. At the same time the idiot opra watchers have a lot more influence than they should. They think everyone should be a vegan anyways, and they definately do not want you to have any guns.

27 June 2003, 06:49

beemanbeme

I agree with HenryC on this. Your right to bear arms hasn't anything to do with hunting. And, while it is true our priviledge to hunt is rooted in the subsistance lifestyle of the first settlers, in most countries, hunting is a pastime of the priviledged.
And finally, they aren't making any more land. As a commodity, it is becoming more and more dear. Why shouldn't the farmer sell access to the highest bidder??? If he sold his cattle or crops based on someones wants rather than his needs or profits, he wouldn't be in business long. While I might not like it, its called "the marketplace" and money talks and bullshit takes up bowling.

27 June 2003, 07:02

Gatogordo

posted by Paleohunter 06-26-2003 18:43

quote:
--------------------------------------------------If you make so little (5%) then sell the land. I have offered to by land from some ranchers in central TX but even though they barly get by they were not intressed. You do have the right to do what ever you want with your land; but when does one stop being a rancher and start being a whore?
Two hunters have a lease that backs up to ours they have only 47 acers yet the owner/rancher leases it to them for the low sum of 4.500$ a year. He does not run cattle on it,does not plant anything on it,does not even play on it; but I know something that the guys that lease it dont. The owner/rancher lets his kids and his kids friends hunt on it when the guys who lease it are not there. So is this a rancher or whore??

End quoted text:

Oh, I dunno, if the rancher you are referring to can lease 47 acres for $4500.00 (or whatever you tried to scribble above) then I want to be whoring right along with him. Your experience with ranchers is similar to mine with some hunters, I know several individuals that claim to hunt, and some of them are perfect assholes. I can tell by your writing that you are not perfect, but keep trying.

[ 06-26-2003, 22:06: Message edited by: Gatogordo ]

27 June 2003, 07:33

Aquavit

quote:
Originally posted by beemanbeme:
while it is true our priviledge to hunt is rooted in the subsistance lifestyle of the first settlers, in most countries, hunting is a pastime of the priviledged.

Other countries have kings too - but I thought we got away from wanting to be ruled? I'm wrong, evidently, as this thread well proves.

quote:
And finally, they aren't making any more land. As a commodity, it is becoming more and more dear. Why shouldn't the farmer sell access to the highest bidder??? If he sold his cattle or crops based on someones wants rather than his needs or profits, he wouldn't be in business long.

Bingo!

Farmers and ranchers already sell their produce based on the wants and desires of government who place artificial controls upon them - and that's the problem. The means of production are not in our control. Not only does our federal government stiffle the free market, it "owns" an enormous portion of the US with which it produces ZERO wealth (unless you consider taking our tax dollars for its upkeep "producing wealth"). Further, they've burdened the private landowner with so much regulation and tax as to ensure that he makes little if any profit... ergo the turn toward supplementing income with the tresspass fee or lease... which, in turn, creates these sorts of mini fiefdoms.

Back into fuedual times we go.

It's not surprising that today's landowner is well at ease with the idea of power elites - having been granted some crumb of power themselves.

quote:
While I might not like it, its called "the marketplace" and money talks and bullshit takes up bowling.

I'm constantly amazed by those so attuned to the recognition of what the "marketplace" truly is and yet so oblivious to what comprises tyranny. We've been taxed and regulated into submission and we carry on discussions of the Second Amendment as if it still retains any bit of meaning.

I'd really hate to bowl against some of you - you're just too good.

27 June 2003, 07:37

HenryC470

quote:
Originally posted by Aquavit:
...There is no basis for this idea of hunting as a passtime of elites... not in this country, not from its very beginnings. America was and is such a brilliant and virtuous deviation from the rest of the subjegated world that it stands alone....

Aquavit, I agree with you completely, up to this point. The fact is that America is a special, elite place. America was among the richest countries in the world even before it was a country.

The poor in this country would be considered rich almost anywhere else in the world. Where else does a poor man own a refrigerator, two TVs, a telephone, an automobile, indoor plumbing, and a beer belly?

Where else in the world, outside a small elite group of rich countries, do poor and average people get to hunt? I'll tell you where. They "get" to hunt in places that have not yet invented agriculture.

quote:
Originally posted by Aquavit:
...While looking for a culprit, we're clearly ignoring as to why our farmers and ranchers are driven to supplement their incomes in the first place.

I think every economically successful person is driven to supplement his income. The losers who sit around and whine that other people have too much money, those are the ones I worry about.

H. C.

27 June 2003, 07:52

Aquavit

quote:
Originally posted by HenryC470:

quote:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aquavit:
...While looking for a culprit, we're clearly ignoring as to why our farmers and ranchers are driven to supplement their incomes in the first place.
I think every economically successful person is driven to supplement his income. The losers who sit around and whine that other people have too much money, those are the ones I worry about.

Agreed, but I'm talking about having to supplement one's income out of necessity so as not to go under. Given the richness of this land, our farmers and ranchers are more than well equipped to produce wealth and reap profit... until government enters the picture and sucks up those profits through excessive regulation and taxation.

27 June 2003, 07:59

BLR7 (Texas Cactus Shooter)

It's big business in Texas, hunting leases are
anywhere from 500. to $7,000.00 per gun depending on what area you hunt. I don't really
see the big corporation's as the main problem.
However, as supply and demand works into the equation the ranchers are getting higher prices.
I know one rancher who leases out 30,000 acres a
year and clears over $150,000.00 and doesn't keep
domestic cattle but for one reason and that is to
keep the agriculture tax exemption on the whole ranch. He is a good business man and more power to him. The real profit is in hunting leases and
that is where most ranchers have gone. The farming
and production of crops is a different story but
there the hunting leases pay the taxes plus make profit! If it weren't for the trophy hunters these
prices might not be so high but these guys lose their heads over big racks and are willing to pay
the price. I am somewhere in the middle of all this but I try to negotiate a good lease price
when I find the right ranch. It will get harder
as more people get into the game! So save your
recreation dollars and don't get left out. BLR7!

27 June 2003, 08:00

Mike375

Orion 1 posted:

When your job calls for making decisions that can make or break an entire business, you can come talk to me.

You are unable to stick with your decision to not respond to any postings I make [Big Grin]

Your big corporate positions seems to one that is only in your mind.

Mike

27 June 2003, 08:13

<Paleohunter>

quote:
Originally posted by Gatogordo:
posted by Paleohunter 06-26-2003 18:43

quote:
--------------------------------------------------If you make so little (5%) then sell the land. I have offered to by land from some ranchers in central TX but even though they barly get by they were not intressed. You do have the right to do what ever you want with your land; but when does one stop being a rancher and start being a whore?
Two hunters have a lease that backs up to ours they have only 47 acers yet the owner/rancher leases it to them for the low sum of 4.500$ a year. He does not run cattle on it,does not plant anything on it,does not even play on it; but I know something that the guys that lease it dont. The owner/rancher lets his kids and his kids friends hunt on it when the guys who lease it are not there. So is this a rancher or whore??

End quoted text:

Oh, I dunno, if the rancher you are referring to can lease 47 acres for $4500.00 (or whatever you tried to scribble above) then I want to be whoring right along with him. Your experience with ranchers is similar to mine with some hunters, I know several individuals that claim to hunt, and some of them are perfect assholes. I can tell by your writing that you are not perfect, but keep trying.

Very interesting you would be whoreing right along with him are you the type that would sellout a family member to supplement your income also??
Also let me clear somthing up I own land in OK with my Dad I dont lease it out although I could its not huge but it is good size it has one pond and I let people hunt on if they ask premission 1st and answer a few questions. Although there are no Deer on this land that I have seen but if there were it would make no diff.
Like I have said befor a owner can do what ever he wants with his land: but if he can live with himself with the price he charges then good for him i couldnt. I just belive its more important to keep the tradition oh hunting alive than to hope to charge so much that its drives future generations away and into the Liberal left wing which in turn will elect a liberal President which in turn will appoint liberal Suprem Court Judges which will in turn attack my guns and yours. Dont belive it would happen that way? eh

27 June 2003, 08:20

Gatogordo

Perfect..... [Big Grin]

27 June 2003, 08:39

Gator1

If I read this right, you all view sellers of access and sellers of animals as whores. Are they whores because they sell something you want for free or because you cannot afford them?

If in fact they are whores are you then not the Johns? Paying for your thrill? Aren't hunters always willing to pay for their thrill if it is cheap enough? Even going to Zimbabwe and supporting a corrupt government that is bad for the citizens because it is what they want?

Hunters have no morals so why should ranchers be any different? [Confused]

27 June 2003, 08:41

<Paleohunter>

quote:
Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Perfect.....

Thank ya I tried really really hard that time [Wink]

27 June 2003, 08:50

<Paleohunter>

quote:
Originally posted by Gator1:
If I read this right, you all view sellers of access and sellers of animals as whores. Are they whores because they sell something you want for free or because you cannot afford them?

If in fact they are whores are you then not the Johns? Paying for your thrill? Aren't hunters always willing to pay for their thrill if it is cheap enough? Even going to Zimbabwe and supporting a corrupt government that is bad for the citizens because it is what they want?

Hunters have no morals so why should ranchers be any different?

No no if a land owner wants to charge a fee to hunt on his land (I dont) he can do it. But for the sake of keeping hunting alive and well (which its not) stop reaching for that blue sky money. the biggest challange to hunting today is; not enough "young" hunters are entering the ranks. Kids who are not exposed to hunting are swayed easily by org like PETA and HCI and their ilk. These kids are tomorrows leaders. Be afraid. Very afraid.

27 June 2003, 13:16

Arts

I suggest that you are a bit paranoid over the no place to hunt deal and it being a death knoll for hunting. Most--not all--of the western US is public land open to hunting--for the cost of a license. Texas has this big "problem" because, as stated by someone earlier, they have no public land. It being private land, the land owner has the right, in this country, to do as he wishes with it (as long as it's legal activity). It must be that way. That, gents, is freedom! No, it isn't conducive to happiness regarding many of your desires regarding hunting, but it is freedom. Would you advocate taking away that landowners freedom? Which freedom goes next? If Texas hunting has become too expensive for some of you, then go elswhere to hunt (or live, for that matter). When criticizing what private land owners do with their property, which, although it is called real property, is in truth their personal property, then we are walking/talking on thin ice regarding freedom. Nobody likes to pay money for anything, but of course, it is a fact of life. The green fee for golfers is an excellent analogy.

27 June 2003, 16:10

BLR7 (Texas Cactus Shooter)

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF HUNTS IN TEXAS SET UP JUST FOR KIDS AND JUNIORS AND EVEN DISABLED. tHESE HUNTS ARE AT REDUCED RATES AND IN MANY CASES ARE FREE. I PERSONALLY HAVE TAKEN ALL AGES AND CATEGORIES HUNTING. A FEW OF THEM ARE GROWN NOW
AND HAVE CHILDREN OF THEIR OWN TO TAKE HUNTING.
IT'S MORE FUN TO ME SEEING THE EXCITMENT OF A
YOUNGSTER TAKING THAT FIRST DEER OR TURKEY THAN
TAKING ONE MYSELF. MANY TIMES I HAVE SEEN "GROWN
MEN" USE THEIR KIDS TAGS AS AN EXCUSE TO TAKE MORE
GAME OFF OF A LEASE AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS
I ONLY HUNT WITH PEOPLE I KNOW AND TRUST. IF THERE
EVER COMES A DAY WHEN THERE IS NO HUNTING ALLOWED
I THINK THE LANDOWNERS IN TEXAS WILL BE IN SORRY
SHAPE! AS FAR AS TAKING THE GUNS AWAY, THAT WILL
ONLY HAPPEN IF WE LET IT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OF
WHERE EVERY ANTI-GUN LIBERAL IS HIDDING AND MAKE
SURE THEY DON'T HOLD PUBLIC OFFICES OF ANY KIND.
BLR7

27 June 2003, 20:54

<heavy varmint>

Orion, you took 8 words from my statement and without so much as a question spun them into a fictional me that exists only in your mind, then managed to get yourself pissed off at that character. That can't be good.

Needless to say, your insinuations concerning me are way off track.

28 June 2003, 02:03

<Paleohunter>

quote:
Originally posted by Arts:
I suggest that you are a bit paranoid over the no place to hunt deal and it being a death knoll for hunting. Most--not all--of the western US is public land open to hunting--for the cost of a license. Texas has this big "problem" because, as stated by someone earlier, they have no public land. It being private land, the land owner has the right, in this country, to do as he wishes with it (as long as it's legal activity). It must be that way. That, gents, is freedom! No, it isn't conducive to happiness regarding many of your desires regarding hunting, but it is freedom. Would you advocate taking away that landowners freedom? Which freedom goes next? If Texas hunting has become too expensive for some of you, then go elswhere to hunt (or live, for that matter). When criticizing what private land owners do with their property, which, although it is called real property, is in truth their personal property, then we are walking/talking on thin ice regarding freedom. Nobody likes to pay money for anything, but of course, it is a fact of life. The green fee for golfers is an excellent analogy.

If I being paranoid then why is it a concern of every hunting org and writers? I dont sit around and just make this stuff up (whatever one thinks) hell pick up a Out Door Life, Field and Stream, Sports Afield, American Hunter, ect ect they all say the same thing; the biggest threat to hunting in America is: 1. There are not enough young hunters. 2. Public land is being restricted, 3. Loose of land. 4. The price of hunting. Am I paranoid your DAMN RIGHT I paranoid the number of hunting licenses have fallen and keep falling so YOU tell me whaat you think the cause [Confused]

is!

28 June 2003, 02:08

Karl

quote:
Originally posted by heavy varmint:
Orion, you took 8 words from my statement and without so much as a question spun them into a fictional me that exists only in your mind, then managed to get yourself pissed off at that character. That can't be good.

Needless to say, your insinuations concerning me are way off track.

I suggest you let orion tell you about yourself, it is one of the topics he knows most about and is free to butt in on.
he will shut down your company next, in your best interests of course [Wink]

28 June 2003, 03:29

beemanbeme

Contary to what some of the follks in the room think, hunting on someone else's land is not a birthright. At what margin of profit does a man turn from a businessman to a whore????? Pretty strong, irresponsible words. I'm sure they will endear us to any farmer/rancher that reads them.

28 June 2003, 03:46

Orion 1

quote:
Originally posted by heavy varmint:
Orion, you took 8 words from my statement and without so much as a question spun them into a fictional me that exists only in your mind, then managed to get yourself pissed off at that character. That can't be good.

Needless to say, your insinuations concerning me are way off track.

You said what you said. It was pretty clear. If that's not what you meant to say, then choose your words more carefully next time.

28 June 2003, 03:52

NitroX

quote:
Originally posted by Gator1:
Aren't hunters always willing to pay for their thrill if it is cheap enough? Even going to Zimbabwe and supporting a corrupt government that is bad for the citizens because it is what they want?

So if hunters from outside the USA visited and hunted in the US when Clinton was President was that wrong?

28 June 2003, 04:58

<Paleohunter>

quote:
Originally posted by beemanbeme:
Contary to what some of the follks in the room think, hunting on someone else's land is not a birthright. At what margin of profit does a man turn from a businessman to a whore????? Pretty strong, irresponsible words. I'm sure they will endear us to any farmer/rancher that reads them.

Lets see:
Enron- Businessmen or Whore's?
World Com-Businessmen or Whor's?
After all they were just trying to incress their income [Wink]

28 June 2003, 05:36

Orion 1

quote:
Originally posted by Paleohunter:

quote:
Originally posted by beemanbeme:
Contary to what some of the follks in the room think, hunting on someone else's land is not a birthright. At what margin of profit does a man turn from a businessman to a whore????? Pretty strong, irresponsible words. I'm sure they will endear us to any farmer/rancher that reads them.
Lets see:
Enron- Businessmen or Whore's?
World Com-Businessmen or Whor's?
After all they were just trying to incress their income

Quit whining.

You have three productive options:

1. Buy your own land in Texas.

2. Live in Texas and hunt elsewhere.

3. Move to some place with lots of public land.

Your stupid little tirade, calling landowners whores (learn to spell, for God's sake), makes you look like a damn cry baby.

You better learn to deal with reality, because it's not going away.

[ 06-27-2003, 20:37: Message edited by: Orion 1 ]

28 June 2003, 05:49

<Paleohunter>

quote:
Originally posted by Orion 1:

quote:
Originally posted by Paleohunter:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by beemanbeme:
Contary to what some of the follks in the room think, hunting on someone else's land is not a birthright. At what margin of profit does a man turn from a businessman to a whore????? Pretty strong, irresponsible words. I'm sure they will endear us to any farmer/rancher that reads them.
Lets see:
Enron- Businessmen or Whore's?
World Com-Businessmen or Whor's?
After all they were just trying to incress their income

Mommy not show you enough love growing up? She certainly did not teach you any social grace. So is the Co your work for called "I'm a Dick [Razz]

LLC."

28 June 2003, 06:49

Bama

You boys sure are rough on each other. Paleohunter I'm sure your a decent guy but in your posts you come off like a first rate jerk. If you don't like paying a rancher to hunt in Texas move or hunt somewhere else.

I find it hard to believe you could tell someone who is having a hard time making it a a rancher to sell his land instead of trying to collect money for hunting rights. I think the gentleman made it clear it was family land and something he wanted to try and pass down to his kids. You can't blame a guy for trying to keep family land in the family.

I particularly love the whore comparision. You take something that one rancher is doing(charging a high rate and sneaking family on to hunt it) and lump other ranchers into the same pile with him. Your as bad as the anti's who met a slob hunter and compare the rest of us hunters to them.

Oh, by the way Enron and the others you mentioned are not whores or businesmen. They are thieves and there is a difference.

I'm sorry you live in Texas where there is no public land and you have to hunt jack rabbit size deer at exhorbant prices. My suggestion is to move or grow up. Hell, come to Alabama we have plenty of public land and leases are reasonable, but please leave the attitude in Texas when you board the plane.

Bama

[ 06-27-2003, 23:22: Message edited by: Bama ]

28 June 2003, 07:58

<heavy varmint>

Yes Orion, I said what I said and I to thought it was perfectly clear! The problem was not with what I said but in your choosing to go off on some ignorant rant stereotyping me instead of finding out the "real" reasons I believe what I said.

It would probably be better to humble yourself to asking questions than to assume you allready have the answers.

28 June 2003, 09:01

Paul H

Is it easy or inexspensive to hunt in this day and age? No, darn few people can hike out in the back 40 in the afternoon with hopes of bagging game.

So, we can either bitch about who's falt it is, and how unfair it is, or we can do something about it. I see there being two options, make enough money to pay the going rate in Texas, or move somewhere that provides better options.

28 June 2003, 09:55

<Paleohunter>

quote:
Originally posted by Bama:
You boys sure are rough on each other. Paleohunter I'm sure your a decent guy but in your posts you come off like a first rate jerk. If you don't like paying a rancher to hunt in Texas move or hunt somewhere else.

I find it hard to believe you could tell someone who is having a hard time making it a a rancher to sell his land instead of trying to collect money for hunting rights. I think the gentleman made it clear it was family land and something he wanted to try and pass down to his kids. You can't blame a guy for trying to keep family land in the family.

I particularly love the whore comparision. You take something that one rancher is doing(charging a high rate and sneaking family on to hunt it) and lump other ranchers into the same pile with him. Your as bad as the anti's who met a slob hunter and compare the rest of us hunters to them.

Oh, by the way Enron and the others you mentioned are not whores or businesmen. They are thieves and there is a difference.

I'm sorry you live in Texas where there is no public land and you have to hunt jack rabbit size deer at exhorbant prices. My suggestion is to move or grow up. Hell, come to Alabama we have plenty of public land and leases are reasonable, but please leave the attitude in Texas when you board the plane.

Bama

I'am not bitching for myself like Oral1 seems to think. I have a lease in Mills Co TX the Rancher we lease from him and his brother are super guys. The cost to us is 500$ a gun which for the size of the lease and year around rights is a reasonable deal. Charles and Berry do not look for the "Blue Sky" money they are ranchers with morals and even though they do not make a killing from their family ranch they do not use their misfortune to justify takeing advantage of others. Like the PRICK who leases to the two guys that back up to us! I have nothing aginst land owners who are reasonable and fair, but the other type well you can probably figure what I think of them. I also hunt out of state I said afor earlier that I own land in OK with my Dad And I let people hunt on it free of charge if they ask 1st. I personaly do not belive I should charge someone for something as good and natural as hunting. I get paid when some Dad or Mom takes their kid out and hunts and then I feel like I doing something to pass hunting on to the future! So land owners or ranchers who fuck people over for the almighty dollar just because they can are the same to me as the Enron and World Com ex; call them theives (your right about that) at least whores work for the money.

28 June 2003, 10:01

<Paleohunter>

quote:
Originally posted by Paul H:
Is it easy or inexspensive to hunt in this day and age? No, darn few people can hike out in the back 40 in the afternoon with hopes of bagging game.

So, we can either bitch about who's falt it is, and how unfair it is, or we can do something about it. I see there being two options, make enough money to pay the going rate in Texas, or move somewhere that provides better options.

Paul if I can get my wife to agree I'm looking at your neck of the woods. ALASKA love that state, and they need teachers too. Although I dont know what my wife would do?

28 June 2003, 10:35

Paul H

quote:
Originally posted by Paleohunter:

quote:
Originally posted by Paul H:
Is it easy or inexspensive to hunt in this day and age? No, darn few people can hike out in the back 40 in the afternoon with hopes of bagging game.

So, we can either bitch about who's falt it is, and how unfair it is, or we can do something about it. I see there being two options, make enough money to pay the going rate in Texas, or move somewhere that provides better options.
Paul if I can get my wife to agree I'm looking at your neck of the woods. ALASKA love that state, and they need teachers too. Although I dont know what my wife would do?

www.adn.com Check the classifieds. If you're in the Anchorage, Mat-su or Fairbanks area, you have quite few job options. If you're in the bush, she better like the outdoors and have a hobby or two.

If you have any questions about AK, drop me a pm or e-mail.

28 June 2003, 12:02

Arts

Paleohunter, you have an opinion, and that is fine, but I dare say that you won't find a lot of support for your accusations that these land owners are "thieves" or "lack morals" simply because they charge what the market supports. Again, think about it lad--that is freedom. That is what the US is based on. They aren't pricks; they are businessmen. You choose not to charge; that's fine and great, but it doesn't degrade those that choose to. There are a zillion places to hunt in this country; it is just that Texas is expensive because it has no public land to speak of. The number of people that are willing to pay for the amount of available private land are what determines it's value, hence price. It happens to be one reason that I never entertain job/living oppertunities in Texas, but I understand it and deal with it. Can't you?