13 February 2002, 23:39
montero
[This message has been edited by Wachtel (edited 02-13-2002).]
Doesn�t look like a premium to me. :-)
Regards/Rolf
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Montero
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Originally posted by montero:
The bullet is a Hawk .338 round tip with a .035" jacket and loaded in a 338 Win. Mag. at 2,950 fps.
It was recovered from a 78lb wild hog. The shot was taken broadside from 100 yards (estimated) and impacted high in the shoulder, breaking the spine.
Left overs weighed 55,9 grains.
Not exactly what I expected!Montero
It looks like it was going too fast when it stopped! What did it weigh to begin with? I might have to scratch Hawk off my to try list! Then again A one shot kill? Looks like it expended all of its energy in the animal?
Is that A Failure?
I shot a kudu broadside through the shoulder with a .475 Hawk 500 grain. It penetrated to the offside skin and was mushroomed back to the base but did not break up.
I shot an elk through 4+ feet of tissue with a Hawk .475 500 grain. It made a hole big enough to fit a pair of Nike running shoes in. The bullet exited.
I think Hawks are great for providing rapid expansion at low velocities. I certainly would not recommend pushing them at 2900 fps.
I have a bunch of them that look like yours including a 175 gr. 7x57 bullet with a .035 jacket that went 6"'s into a spike buck spine from the rear and exploded. that was at 2500 FPS muzzle vel. and the shot was about 175 yds...I posted that bullet....
I blew up a carload of 338 Hawks with .035 jackets on one African Safari. As I recall they were 225 or 230 gr. at about 2700..I still have 4 boxes of that batch loaded....
The only good side to Hawks is they make a lot of bullets for hard to find calibers. Aparently they seem to work in the older Winchester slow velocity rifles such as 45-70, 45-90, 38-55, 40-64 etc., but I wouldn't shoot anything bigger than a deer with them.
Don't bother to complain to them, they will only turn a deaf ear to your claims and photos.
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Ray Atkinson
quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
(Concerning Hawk bullet manufacturers)
Don't bother to complain to them, they will only turn a deaf ear to your claims and photos.
Dear Ray, we tend to be in (tacit) agreement so often that I will gladly jump on any chance to enter into an argument with you :-). But ere I do so, allow me to ask: what would "deaf ear" exactly mean (beyond indicating that you are somehow disgruntled) ?
Do they not bother to answer at all (deadly silence), did they refuse a monetary compensation, did they eventually bail out of a lengthy argument, or did they indeed argue with you. and still maintained their viewpoint ?
Sincerely,
Carcano
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[This message has been edited by carcano91 (edited 02-14-2002).]
When that is said then......
Was the bullet a solid or a soft?
I seems strange to me if you shot a hog with a solid?! But if it was a solid then I must sa that is the worst bullet failure I've ever seen!
If it is a soft - why the hell do Hawk the manufacture their softs with holes in both ends? The recovered bullet = the jacked, has an opening in the rear end why? If the bullet the bullet was soft nose - then I must say that I, like tsturm, will take hawk bullets of my list of bullets to try!
Regards
Mads
The Hawk bullet it's a soft , it's made with copper tube then it have a hole in both ends , ( same as the Barnes Original ) , for me main problem with copper jacketed bullets it's copper fouling of the bore and lost of accuracy .
Daniel
In another instance I ordered .411 bullets for my 400 Jefferys double and I got bullets that wouldn't seat, they miked 412 to 413 so I sent them back and got some more bullets and they also miked too big, all they did was change the label..They were so oversize that they were collapsing the cases when I tried to very carefully seat them. Hawk said it was the Bell brass as it was inferior brass and they had trouble with it all the time.. I said BS, sent them back and ordered the .284 bullets at .035 jacket in 175 gr. as I recall, and thats the bullet that blew up on a small spike buck...
I made a decision to never again use a Hawk bullet.....I don't need that stuff. I don't like a company that blames another company for their lack of credibility...
BTW,I had no problems with bell brass and GS Custom or Woodleigh bullets, but again Woodliegh and GS mike to the caliber....
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Ray Atkinson